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DomKen -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 5:51:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: fitzroy10

Earlier in this tangled thread someone made the most pertinent observation---BP was lying about the severity of the spill and about their capacity for handling it from the first hour---Obama's error was trusting a multinational  corporate giant to have some knowledge about to handle their own stupid error. 


BP underestimated the size of the leak. Just the same as the US administration did last week. As for the corporate giant handling their own error. What makes you think anyone else had a solution that would work ?

The fact that they are required both by law and by the terms of the lease contract to be able to do so?




angelikaJ -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 6:55:10 PM)

re: skimmers and foreign aide

It seems as though some people have missed that skimmers and other technologies are being used.
Among them:

  - Canada: 3,000 meters of containment boom
   - Three sets of COSEQ sweeping arms from the Dutch
   - Mexico: two skimmers and 4200 meters of boom
   - Norway: 8 skimming systems

Yesterday the Deep Horizon Incident JIC reported that currently 15 foreign flagged vessels are involved in the clean-up response. (no Jones Act waivers needed btw)




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 7:07:20 PM)

Not missed Angelika, just ignored.
The usual obfuscation ensued




Brain -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 7:40:59 PM)


YouTube - THE SHORT FILM BP DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRl6-o8CpXA&feature=player_embedded





Brain -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 8:00:55 PM)

About a year ago I read an interesting article about JP Morgan and supertankers. It seems that JP Morgan had the foresight, or need, to rent, and store heating oil on a supertanker. At the time I assumed that they were planning some scheme to horde and raise prices. Or, that they were hoarding because we were going to be entering a new war soon. But JP Morgan isn’t the only one doing this. It has become a trend. There are quite a few supertankers, just sitting in various places, full of crude oil. So, we’ve got all these supertankers, sitting around full. Then the BP oil disaster happens. A lot of people have asked, why are there no super tankers out there sucking up the oil? Where are they? Where are they? Well, they are busy being full of oil already. Have been for awhile. Interesting, isn’t it?

They don’t even have anywhere to put the damn oil. They have to burn it.
Here is a link to Bloomberg about JP Morgan hiring supertankers for heating oil storage:

http://www.Bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZtS4TC9mxJM

Another article about 35 more tankers being rented to store oil:
http://www.Bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&refer=home&sid=a2_wSc2UyOmk


And MSNBC story about oil producers running out of storage :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29495753/


http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/jp-morgan-supertankers-and-the-bp-gulf-oil-spill-disaster/




Brain -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 8:15:02 PM)

Why Did The U.S. Refuse International Help on The Gulf Oil Spill? Blame It On The Jones Act?

The U.S. response - Thank you, but no thank you, we've got it.


"..While there is no need right now that the U.S. cannot meet, the U.S. Coast Guard is assessing these offers of assistance to see if there will be something which we will need in the near future."



Blame It On The Jones Act?

Separately, Belgian newspaper De Standaard also reported Belgian and Dutch dredgers have technology in-house to fight the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, butthe Jones Act forbids them to work in the U.S.

A Belgian group--DEME-- contends it can clean up the oil in three to four months with specialty vessel and equipment, rather than an estimated nine months if done only by the U.S. The article noted there are no more than 5 or 6 of those ships in the world and the top specialist players are the two Belgian companies- DEME and De Nul - and their Dutch competitors.

The U.S. does not have the similar technology and vessel to accomplish the cleanup task because those ships would cost twice as much to build in the U.S. than in the Far East. The article further criticizes this "great technological delay" is a direct consequence of the Jones Act.

What Is The Jones Act?

The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 is a United States Federal statute that regulates maritime commerce in U.S. waters and between U.S. ports. Section 27, also known as the Jones Act, deals with coastal shipping; and requires that all goods transported by water between U.S. ports be carried in U.S.-flag ships, constructed in the United States, owned by U.S. citizens, and crewed by U.S. citizens and U.S. permanent residents.

The purpose of the law is to support the U.S. merchant marine industry. Critics said that the legislation results in increased costs moving cargoes between U.S. ports, and in essence, is protectionism, Supporters of the Act maintain that the legislation is of strategic economic and wartime interest to the United States. .

European Service Sector - Offshore Subsea Specialist

As discussed in my analysis of the oil service sector, the European companies typically possess the knowhow in offshore and subsea; whereas their North American counterparts excel in onshore drilling and production technologies.

So, it is more than likely that European firms do have the expertise to clean up the spill quicker and more effectively as DEME asserts.

Since the Jones Act means the Belgian ship and personnel cannot work in the Gulf, it does seem the Act has inhibited technology and knowledge exchange & development, and possibly prevented a quicker response to the oil spill.

Jones Waiver Time

On the other hand, waivers of the Jones may be granted by the Administration in cases of national emergencies or in cases of strategic interest. It would appear the U.S. government's initial refusal to foreign help most likely stemmed from a mis-calculation of the scale and deepwater technological barriers for this unprecedented disaster, and/or perhaps ..... pride.

Whatever the rationale, and if De Standarrd's claim that the Jones Act forbids the European companies to help fight the spill is true, it is high time the U.S. government grant the Jones waiver, and let this be an international collaborative effort.

It's always better late than never.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19655




luckydawg -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 9:00:07 PM)

Lucy, Angelika...I know you ladies have a hard time holding thoughts from one thread to the next. But please try to grasp this.


The Timeline...


the help is being accpeted now.


It was refused back when this started. Mnot posted a wonderfull article backing up my point. And that equals more oil in the gulf NOW.

His refusal (part of his response, which also included dispersants and accepting BP at face value, when it was all over the web that there was way more oil) has resulted in more oil than need be in the gulf, hitting beaches coating wetlands, ect. As well as the Skimmers the Dutch offered to come build Berms to keep the oil out of at least some of the wetlands. That was refused also. Now its too late.



That foriegn help is beign accepted NOW is not being ignored.



It's been refuted.

and I think the honest reader can see that, so I see no need to write on this thread unless any new sort of point is raised.




domiguy -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/16/2010 9:44:57 PM)

goodbye. Please don't ever return.




LadyEllen -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/17/2010 2:14:29 AM)

But surely these specialist companies, their vessels and equipment must all be fully occupied in the Niger Delta, where oil spills like the one in the Gulf occur on a weekly basis?

I wouldnt want to think that western oil companies only bothered to effect proper clean up when a spill affected their own countries?

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mnottertail -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/17/2010 6:01:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Lucy, Angelika...I know you ladies have a hard time holding thoughts from one thread to the next. But please try to grasp this.


The Timeline...


the help is being accpeted now.


It was refused back when this started. Mnot posted a wonderfull article backing up my point. And that equals more oil in the gulf NOW.

His refusal (part of his response, which also included dispersants and accepting BP at face value, when it was all over the web that there was way more oil) has resulted in more oil than need be in the gulf, hitting beaches coating wetlands, ect. As well as the Skimmers the Dutch offered to come build Berms to keep the oil out of at least some of the wetlands. That was refused also. Now its too late.



That foriegn help is beign accepted NOW is not being ignored.



It's been refuted.

and I think the honest reader can see that, so I see no need to write on this thread unless any new sort of point is raised.


the ignorant are not able to see irony nor scarcasm.  the idea of posting what i did is to show how fucking dumb the howling pissants like you are.

Oh, its the Jones act, NO its the EPA!!!!!!

Here is the timeline for you fuckstick.

Day 1 BP reports ZERO LEAK
Day 2 BP reports slight seepage
Day 3 (your big insightful bullshit quibble) BP reports 1000 barrels leaking
Day 4 BP reports their fix is working.

And then the government took a look and decided that they were leaking at at least 5000 barrels a day, and after more research it went up to like 25000 barrels a day, and after that?  Well here we are.

But I am glad that you agree with me that we need to heavily regulate large corporations and tax the living shit outta them so we can have massive superfunds to fix their fuckups on hand all the time.

I am truely surprised at the number of rightwingers out here who want to raise taxes, spend more and have bigger government.

What are the democrats going to be for now?  





SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Obama Refused State Of The Art Skimmers (6/17/2010 6:08:42 AM)

FR

People only care about what they can see.

There is this island of plastic floating about in the North Pacific which is larger than France apparently. Although no webcams have been put in place to record its build up. We may as well just face the fact that the majority of us are just a bunch of hypocrites. We seem to only start caring when it starts to impact on our lives either through having to see images of dead wildlife or by it impacting on our livelihoods.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-worlds-rubbish-dump-a-garbage-tip-that-stretches-from-hawaii-to-japan-778016.html

We are going to have to change the maps to allow for these new plastic nations that have been created by us, not sure what we should call them yet.




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