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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:33:02 PM   
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Jeff, I know we've not met you and Carol in person yet, but based upon your response - you'll fit right in with the 'usual suspects' who frequent our little gatherings.

No way! Are you kidding? You people are all sicko's whereas I'm just a guy who'd actively contemplate the pro's and con's of having his very, very sexually monogamous wife blow some stranger just to stretch her boundaries.

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Great! Who's bottoming?

Who knows? Maybe Carol. Not only would it be good for stretching her boundaries, but I can't imagine a group I'd more trust to make the experience as positive as feasible for her. Don't tell her I said that though *laughs*. It's pretty tempting although the possible downside of totally ruining our upcoming vacation to Cozumel is a strong deterrent.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:50:38 PM   
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I find that one ass is about as tight as the other.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:57:41 PM   
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I am pretty sure Halle Berry would be pleasurable for me.
That's because I'm such a freaky edge-player. I have this weird fetish around "emotional intimacy". I can't get off without it. Damn I'm one sick dude.


WTF. How the hell did you get away with raising the topic of "emotional intimacy"... you've jolly well crossed a line with that filth.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:06:25 PM   
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Of course a corollary theory comes into play with this experiment. The theory being that the person best able, and with the most knowledge, of how to please you would be a same sex parter since he or she would know first hand (or first mouth) what feels best.


*nods* That's always seemed obvious to me.




what about that seems obvious to you? i've always felt that theory was the height or ridiculousness, as two people having the same basic equipment does not relate whatsoever to having the same erotic buttons, desires or interests.

a quick example: i am a female who has always strongly disliked direct clitoral stimulation. i find it very unpleasant, uncomfortable and sometimes even painful. should i then conclude that all or even most females dislike direct clitoral stimulation also?

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:06:56 PM   
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I relish my prudery.  I don't do women and I don't have casual sex.  Combining the two for a test.. <<shudders>>  is beyond ick.

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Maybe I'm a tight-ass and a prude. I don't know, but that's how it all shakes out for me.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:07:44 PM   
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I am a huge fan of emotional intimacy.

I could still probably find it my heart to bang Halle Berry and enjoy it.

I'll let you know more in about two weeks

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:14:07 PM   
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i am a female who has always strongly disliked direct clitoral stimulation.

this is also temporarily laying outside the fact that someone trying to touch me or do anything to me with the intent of "stimulating" me is about as big a turn-off as it gets.

you and beth have a LOT in common! For her direct clitoral stimulation is a form of torture and not pleasurable.

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what about that seems obvious to you? i've always felt that theory was the height or ridiculousness, as two people having the same basic equipment does not relate whatsoever to having the same erotic buttons, desires or interests.

However, and I know you asked this of Jeff and not me, I think it more likely for a woman to consider, appreciate, and understand that potential condition and interpret the response and body language more accurately than a man; who would be more likely to interpret the same body language as an indication of how 'good' he is.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:15:15 PM   
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beth and I were playing around last night, having fun, and enjoying our usual good time being with each other when once again started to get silly and reopen our ongoing discussion about gender biased sexuality. The discussion is centered on the question; does knowing the gender of your partner affect your reaction to their sexual stimulation? Blindfolded or on one side of a curtain where you could not ascertain the gender of the person on the other side of it (which excludes participants with facial hair unfortunately) and not knowing who was touching you, could you enjoy the sensation and evaluate pragmatically which was better?

We refer to the experiment as 'The Pepsi Challenge'. Those with not enough laps around the sun - click on the link to appreciate the reference.

On one side of the curtain are self professed "experts" in manual and/or oral stimulation, some the same sex as you, some not. On the other side, blindfolded, is you. The expert is given 2 minutes to use their best moves. To keep the test 'honest', your regular partner is excluded from participating. You get 5 minutes of 'recuperation' time between sessions. At the end you rank the experiences in order from worst to best.

If the result was that more favorable sensations were produced by the same gender would you consider changing your confirmed orientation to include a same sex partner without being blindfolded?

Of course a corollary theory comes into play with this experiment. The theory being that the person best able, and with the most knowledge, of how to please you would be a same sex parter since he or she would know first hand (or first mouth) what feels best.

Theories which, unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever see tested because although we have a lot of 'open minded' friends, I don't think many would subject themselves to experiment on either side of the curtain.

We're having a little start of summer party at the end of the month with a few CM friends, who knows - this may be the appropriate opportunity to stage such an experiment. I know it will be more fun to watch than 5 pounds of wax melting in a crock pot which was the group game planned for the last party! A bit quicker too as to avoid the 10PM PVE outside fun curfew!

I think I'd be willing to put on the blindfold. beth would - but only because I ordered her too; but that's more a function of her not enjoying the act in the first place let alone the thought of someone serving her.

So, just for fun regardless of your gender or orientation, given the opportunity would you submit to the 'challenge'?


unless told to do so by my Master, no i would not wish to submit to such a challenge. first i disagree strongly with the theory that people sexually respond to physical stimulation independently of all other factors. but perhaps that is because i am someone who is not aroused by ANY physical stimulation outside of context. in fact i have never become physically aroused due to physical stimulation alone. nor does my arousal depend on anything superficial like vision. in order to be aroused i would need to know that i am with a man, that that man is enjoying being with me, that i am pleasing him and serving him well, that he is comfortable with me, etc. i need that purely masculine, primal and selfish male sexuality in order to have a chance in heck of being physically aroused...what is happening to me physically can only enhance what has already been created by this caveman-esque Man/woman atmosphere.

this is also temporarily laying outside the fact that someone trying to touch me or do anything to me with the intent of "stimulating" me is about as big a turn-off as it gets.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:24:35 PM   
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you and beth have a LOT in common! For her direct clitoral stimulation is a form of torture and not pleasurable.


wow! now i don't feel quite so strange.

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However, and I know you asked this of Jeff and not me, I think it more likely for a woman to consider, appreciate, and understand that potential condition and interpret the response and body language more accurately than a man; who would be more likely to interpret the same body language as an indication of how 'good' he is.


that could certainly be true Merc, another woman may be more likely to accurately read those little signs of distress or discomfort to which many men are oblivious. but actually being able to adjust in a way that the other woman will find pleasurable? i think that sexual chemistry is necessary for that, that mystical "tuning in" to another person's body which has nothing to do with physical actions.

as a Kinsey 0 submissive-natured female, i am confident that i would have zero ability to sexually stimulate or please another woman, a submissive man, or a man whose sexuality depended on "mutual satisfaction." but i do feel confident in my ability to sexually stimulate and please straight men who are sexually aggressive, or demanding, or just plain selfish....because between us there would be that chemistry. that chemistry that allows us to easily accept and understand the sexuality of the other, because it feeds our own.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:29:47 PM   
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Well, apparently it's you, Carol and beth on the whole direct clitoral stimulation thing. That's a really good way to have to pry her off the ceiling. Nipples too are something to be approached with great care unless she's already very stimulated.

Insofar as the sexual chemistry thing, now you've got my head thinking. I think it's a given that there would need to be some sort of compatibility. I also agree that it's unlikely that being of the same gender would be the entirety of what would make that possible. So then the question becomes, would it likely be "plus points" or not. (and as is always true when talking about people, I'm talking in broad brush strokes only).

Finally, now you've got me curious about this kinsey 0 submissive thingie... *heads off to google*

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:34:06 PM   
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 Sorry, to me this is like saying it wouldn't matter if I found out later that the health department had just fined the restaurant because I had enjoyed the food, and therefore I should go back anyway. Ain't happening.

Like Lady P, I don't have casual sex and also the idea that I would be tricked would get me upset in the beginning so I wouldn't even go there.

I think you have to be relatively heteroflexible to agree to such a game and get any pleasure from it. I'm not and I wouldn't.


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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:44:09 PM   
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Ok, I'm not going to respond the way everyone else is, I don't have any qualms with casual sex (as long as it's safe) or same sex encounters. However, I don't think sexual attraction or orientation is based on skill.

You're not talking about vision, I'm sure theoretically that you would find that there would be people in this study that got aroused from same sex encounters without knowing it. However, that's really not visual, it's a skill thing, if someone is flat out great at giving head, the body would respond to it. We're not that simple as humans though are we? Our reaction to people or arousal usually occurs well before any contact does or the sex wouldn't happen, so I can't see how the challenge would prove that point at all. Also, personally I've continued to be very attracted to men that left something to be desired in the sex sense. Frustrated, but attracted nonetheless. I'm pretty certain it is more complex than just physical stimulation and vision, although the challenge is a novel and amusing concept.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:45:32 PM   
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Yeah, what Laurell said

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:48:30 PM   
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Yeah, what Laurell said


oh sure noooow you change your mind, lol.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 1:57:26 PM   
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i have no proper experience with female lovers, but all the male lovers i have had are different... so i take it all females are different as well.
One of them might be the best and if i would ever be so lucky to enjoy the experience, i don't think i would care much what sex they were...
Like when i go for a full body massage... i am quite capable of enjoying the pleasure that comes my way... nomatter if it is a man or a woman 'tending' to me

When i do the giving however; i need a cock
And i might be interested in some kissing with a female but if i would ever be required to go down on one... i think it would have to be forced.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 2:03:34 PM   
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While I would not be part of such an experiment purely from the squick factor of random people...I am fully and openly bisexual.  I've had my share of partners of both genders.  In my experience, other women are better at oral, but men are better at manual stimulation (larger hands, rougher...Something about that gets me going).
However, sexuality encompasses a lot more than just being able to become aroused.  Hell, I'd exhibit a case of arousal if I was blindfolded and a 600-lb drag queen with no teeth was playing with me.  That's just how I am wired.  But would I be attracted to that person?  Not at all.


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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 2:21:07 PM   
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~ This Just In...~


A question was just posed by phone from a person who currently doesn't have access to a computer to add to the mix. Stipulating that casual sex is disgusting and we're all much too deep to consider doing it. A representation providing a fine example of proving the fallacy of yet another 'lifestyle stereotype'; which is that people involved in S&M are 'sluts'. Also noting personally how much times, if not self representations, have changed since I was in my 20-30s.

Here's the question...

FORCED, strapped non-consentually to a chair, blindfolded, suffering from the oral/manual manipulation of 5 unknown assailants, 4 of the opposite sex and one the same sex as you; with the life of your monogomous, intimate, non-casual, life-mate on the line based upon your ability - do you think you could identify the one same sex 'assailant'?

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 2:31:28 PM   
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OK.  Now you're just trying to turn people on.  LOL.

See, you're adding that control element that I mentioned in a follow up earlier.  I still wouldn't want to be the recipient, but you're making Me think that it might be fun from other angles.

Other stuff that I've thought of that might change how The Challenge might be received:

Intimidation, outside influence, those with objectification fantasies, the M type pushing the s types limits (it's still a kink site), the receiving end of a mind fuck.  Give Me enough time and I could find something in there that could possibly be a turn on to Me as long as I'm not the one sitting in the chair.


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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 2:31:56 PM   
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cripes -  i hate that my life mate is going to die! 

In this scenerio, i'd certainly give it my best shot.
And no, i don't think i could identify the male  -  unless of course, he had a mustache, then i would be able to make a pretty good guess. lol.

Like lally, i have received pleasure from females, but feel unable to reciprocate. And the times i have had that pleasure, my Sir was looking on and enjoying it, so i think there could be a case made that what i felt was really from him, through her by some weird transference.  If it was just me and a woman, i think there would be very little pleasure for me in any act that she might do.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 2:43:46 PM   
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I could find something in there that could possibly be a turn on to Me as long as I'm not the one sitting in the chair.


LP - I'm realizing I'm one of the few 'sensation whores' on CM. When posing the question I didn't think there needed to be a reason to be in the chair. It sounded like FUN! What a slut I am!

When the same caller said; "I'm too straight to volunteer being in the chair." I told him; "Hell - I'm straight too, but think how much 'straighter' we'd be sitting back in a comfy chair and having a bunch of people do their best to pleasure you?

DAMN - I can't imagine being any 'straighter'!

beth says its in my blood and attributes it to my ancestors predilection to enjoying bacchanalian orgies. Anyone care to peel me a grape?

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