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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 8:44:27 AM

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You think CP is a deterrent to crime…I think you are wrong.

Actually, I didn't state my feelings on whether it's right or wrong as a deterrent. For the record, I don't think it is...just as I don't think life in prison is a deterrent.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 8:48:12 AM

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There's absolutely no evidence that capital punishment has ever worked as a deterrent to crime anywhere.

That's exactly why I don't understand the whole discussion. It's based on a flawed premise. If the death penalty is not an effective deterrent, then the method makes no difference. It's like saying, "If mosquito repellent does not keep flies away, would one type of mosquito repellent work better than other types of mosquito repellent at keeping flies away?"

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 8:55:24 AM

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Imagine there is an afterlife...
Imagine life is a test and the quicker it ends the quicker you pass it...
Imagine that God allows those now in this afterlife to play with the lives of people yet to realise life was the test.

Then we'd be doing the wrong types of people a favour. Obviously though for some reason we think killing someone is a punishment. It's amazing how much of that idea is wrapped up in religious belief i.e. sending someone to a higher judgement. (Express delivery.)

What do you realistically lose by keeping someone alive and forcing them to live the rest of their life???

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 8:58:52 AM

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There's absolutely no evidence that capital punishment has ever worked as a deterrent to crime anywhere.

I agree but...it does stop the convicted murderers from killing again... that is something. Life in prison does not prevent them from killing again... and they do often. If there is no doubt to the guilt then killing them may save another life in the future...perhaps someone you love.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:05:55 AM

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To inject a murderer with a liquid that will stop his breathing and heart painlessly is wrong. Electrocution and firing squad suck too.

They should be skinned alive for a while, then maybe have a few things cut off. Once they beg you to kill them, to stop the pain, begin first aid to keep them alive for a while longer. Sit and point and laugh at them and yell how ya like it ya motherfucker? A slow, drawn out death is what they deserve, the ony fair thing, imho.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:14:05 AM

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I'm not really understanding how this makes you better or different to the person being killed other than the fact he perhaps killed instantly whereas you want someone to have a slow lingering death.

He did it first?

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:14:26 AM

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Our whole system of justice is not set up to deter crime but to protect us from it. Because we have been talking about straw man arguments I think it is appropriate to call the anti-Capital Punishment crowds contention that CP is not a deterrent to murder just such an argument. CP is to protect and punish…it was not ever meant to deter murder.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:26:55 AM

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No

I do not believe it is a deterrent to the crime of murder. If a person is at a point in their life where they are considering murdering someone then it stands to reason they would not commit the murder if the sentence was a deterrent. Let them rot in prison with never coming out, is what I support

But in every state that has the death sentence; murder still occurs, be it gang related, crime related, passion or just plain hate,.

To me, one of the strangest things in this country (USA) is how some people call themselves PRO LIFE but still defend the death penalty as a deterrent, or defend companies when people die because they did not follow safety guidelines, etc. If you are Pro Life, then you should defend all life (human), not just certain life because you think it morally wrong

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:44:09 AM

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As you say, it's strange how pro lifers are always in favour of the death penalty. They should make their fucking minds up one way or the other.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:49:22 AM

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I always wonder how it is fair to the cleaning staff. We must consider the others.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 9:51:49 AM

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Someone above referred to lethal injection as "painless".
It isn't always.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/descriptions-execution-methods

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 10:00:51 AM

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I'm not really understanding how this makes you better or different to the person being killed other than the fact he perhaps killed instantly whereas you want someone to have a slow lingering death.

He did it first?

yep....if he knew that by taking the life of another, he would give up the right to his life, then it is all his choice.

I know this is a subject that brings out deep emotions, my self included. I will not try to change anyones mind. But, mine will not be changed either.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 10:01:54 AM

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I always wonder how it is fair to the cleaning staff. We must consider the others.

If they're cleaning in a prison, they're probably making more than minimum. Besides, they'll have an EMT type actually remove the corpse, won't they? A lot of these guys (who don't get the electric chair, at least) leave their organs for transplant.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 10:02:14 AM

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Since it has no measurable deterrent effect the manner of execution is irrelevant.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 10:04:05 AM

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I'm not really understanding how this makes you better or different to the person being killed other than the fact he perhaps killed instantly whereas you want someone to have a slow lingering death.

He did it first?

yep....if he knew that by taking the life of another, he would give up the right to his life, then it is all his choice.

I know this is a subject that brings out deep emotions, my self included. I will not try to change anyones mind. But, mine will not be changed either.

I just don't recognise the difference, perhaps his anger and frustration got him to where he finds himself.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 10:33:13 AM

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There seem to be a lot more murders that aren't premeditated than ones that aren't, put it that way.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 11:11:11 AM

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Edited to add, but what is the point of someone spending years on death row only to be executed what in the case of the one that went last night, 25 years, what's the point. If execution is to be used as a deterrant, then it needs to be performed straight away, not let people get used to the idea and even forget about the condemned or even what they did.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 11:27:14 AM

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If a death penalty is awarded, then the prosecution must be totally and completely sure beyond any doubt, reasonable is not good enough, that the convicted person is guilty beyond any pursuasion political or otherwise. For people to be exonerated after a conviction points to faulty police work, either information gathering or interpretation of that information.

Is this why America has death row, a situation where twenty five years later the condemned is executed, a time spent in the hope that new evidence or interpretations can be found , which could mean the system has little faith in their system.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 1:04:44 PM

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There are at least two ways to view anti-capital punishment...The first is how can we be sure the person is guilty when so many have been exonerated with new forensic techniques .

The second is I am against killing for any reason.

To me the first is by far the only reason to limit capital punishment and it has been for some years. Until there are strict uniform rules and regulations across all states that govern the administration of CP I am against it.

BUT I do think there are crimes where the person committing them should loose their right to live. It is not revenge in any way it is just a way to protect the innocent in the future.

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RE: The death penalty...does the method matter? - 6/18/2010 1:29:28 PM

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The purpose of capital punishment is just that, punishment. It (should) have some sort of deterrant but that's not neccessary and not the purpose of it.
A sociopath wouldn't really care about that anyway.
And who cares if it's painful? It should be real painful!
And there's no doubt in this case that this animal did it, there were dozens of witnesses.
I don't understand why some are calling a firing squad, "controversial." What's so "controversial" about it?

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