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A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restrictions - 6/20/2010 5:40:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been asked, by someone who has come to appreciate my skill with a grill, to provide a large order of bbq chicken for an upcoming event for an interfaith group. He had no idea about the answer to this question, so I thought I would ask here.

For those who don't eat pork as an element of their religious practices, can meats which are accepted be prepared on the same grill? Does the tenderloin I have cooking right now make my grill unacceptable for people who restrict themselves to a kosher/halal diet?



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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 5:59:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to this site I found on google yes your grill is non kosher.

http://www.brighthub.com/health/diet-nutrition/articles/44203.aspx

Foods aren’t the only things that can be kosher or non-kosher. Kitchen appliances and utensils can also be either kosher or non-kosher, depending on how they’ve been used. The following simplistic example will illustrate how a kosher appliance or utensil can be kosher or non-kosher:

You are making a barbeque, and you want to invite your neighbor, who keeps a kosher diet. Although you’re making pork chops for yourself, you buy a few lamb chops from the kosher butcher, making sure that they were slaughtered correctly. You promise your neighbor that you’ll have kosher food for him. On the day of the barbeque, you throw your own pork chops on the grill, cook them to perfection, and then remove them. As your neighbor comes into view, you throw his perfectly kosher lamb chops on the grill. Your neighbor makes a lame excuse and chooses not to eat the chops. What did you do wrong?

Think about it. The charred remains of the pork chop are still stuck to the grill. Your neighbor’s lamb chops will absorb pieces of the pork chops, making them non-kosher. Interestingly enough, this would still be an issue, even if you cleaned the grill rack obsessively between the two sets of chops. Even if no visible residue remained, the rack would still be considered non-kosher because it had been used to cook non-kosher meat. In fact, even if the chops were cooked on a brand new pan in your cleaned oven, there could be a problem. The sides of the oven would be considered non-kosher, and the circulating air could make the chops non-kosher, unless they are wrapped in a specific way.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 7:01:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Years ago when I worked for a alarm company we had to disconnect the little LED that flickers when it detects motion when we installed in strict Jewish homes...the reason...apparently walking in front of the unit and causing the led to light up was considered equivalent to lighting a fire, which is forbidden on the sabbath, so yes if they are very strict then you would need to get yourself a grill that not only never had pork cooked on it, it can't have had any non-kosher beef or chicken cooked on it.

Since your only real option is to get  your hands on a new BBQ I would inquire of the group who has asked for your services if any of the guests keep strictly kosher and if so can they get their hands on a grill you can use, presumably from one of the uber-kosher guests.


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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 7:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The grill is not Kosher.  You would need a brand new grill that has never had anything but Kosher food prepared on it.  Not only that but the utensils you use on the grill and the plates and platters you use to store and serve the food must have never been touched by anything that wasn't Kosher.

Basically you need a grill, utensils, and any other equipment which are new and have never been touched by anything which is not Kosher.  Remember certain foods can not be mixed as well.  If you placed cheese on a platter and then used the platter later for the chicken that would be against the rules as dairy products and meat cannot be combined.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 7:33:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not eating pork doesnt necessarily mean they keep kosher. And OP didnt even specify they were Jewish lol.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 7:38:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Does the tenderloin I have cooking right now make my grill unacceptable for people who restrict themselves to a kosher/halal diet?"

I guess you missed that part of his post Wilbur since he specifically asked about a Kosher diet.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 7:42:39 PM   
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"Does the tenderloin I have cooking right now make my grill unacceptable for people who restrict themselves to a kosher/halal diet?"

I guess you missed that part of his post Wilbur since he specifically asked about a Kosher diet.



I guess you missed the part in your quote of his post that says "/halal".

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 7:54:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm guessing you both missed the part where I said it was for an interfaith group, as in, people of multiple faiths. Both may well apply, at varying degrees of orthodoxy.

I got a much quicker answer than I expected from the fan of my cooking. He forwarded me an email from a Muslim clergyman who says my obligation is to make sure the chicken is cooked all the way through. They will have several tables for food, and the guests will be advised which tables are which.



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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 8:21:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm afraid I don't have good information for you on the subject.  I'm not familiar enough to know.

I am taking this opportunity to tell you that I thought your concern for others on the matter is admirable.  You don't see that every day in regard to someone else's beliefs and I wanted to commend you for it.

Best of luck with the bbq!


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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 9:01:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I've been asked, by someone who has come to appreciate my skill with a grill, to provide a large order of bbq chicken for an upcoming event for an interfaith group. He had no idea about the answer to this question, so I thought I would ask here.

For those who don't eat pork as an element of their religious practices, can meats which are accepted be prepared on the same grill? Does the tenderloin I have cooking right now make my grill unacceptable for people who restrict themselves to a kosher/halal diet?

To make clear what you have already been told, there is a broad range of practices that might be meant when someone says they keep kosher. The most extreme adherents simply will not eat anything from any kitchen they do not supervise or that doesn't have a rabbinical council seal. At the other end of the spectrum are jews who simply refrain from eating the forbidden foods but will eat in normal restaurants.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 9:02:51 PM   
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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 9:12:39 PM   
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A Muslim clergyman who says my obligation is to make sure the chicken is cooked all the way through. They will have several tables for food, and the guests will be advised which tables are which.



Yes.  Per my understanding, halal is equivalent to kosher, in which blood is not permitted.

You really should contact the rabbi and the imam to ask what their congregations' requirements are.  Different congregations take this with varying degrees of severity.

In addition, your grill is required to be blessed by a liberal. 


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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 9:17:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is another good reason to be an atheist. You can eat whatever you want, not constrained for ridiculous arbitrary reasons.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 9:25:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
A Muslim clergyman who says my obligation is to make sure the chicken is cooked all the way through. They will have several tables for food, and the guests will be advised which tables are which.



Yes.  Per my understanding, halal is equivalent to kosher, in which blood is not permitted.




They are not quite equivalent. It is much more difficult to maintain kosher cooking/eating utensils than under halal.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/20/2010 9:36:26 PM   
TheHeretic


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In addition, your grill is required to be blessed by a liberal. 




My grill gets blessed by people of all political persuasions, Steve. There is no litmus test. I'd even cook Brian a nice rare pork chop



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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/21/2010 3:55:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm guessing you both missed the part where I said it was for an interfaith group, as in, people of multiple faiths. Both may well apply, at varying degrees of orthodoxy.

I got a much quicker answer than I expected from the fan of my cooking. He forwarded me an email from a Muslim clergyman who says my obligation is to make sure the chicken is cooked all the way through. They will have several tables for food, and the guests will be advised which tables are which.




Didn't miss that part, but you also specifically listed Kosher.  Your grill is not Kosher.  It doesn't matter how interfaith it is.  If there is one person who is truly Kosher then you cannot cook them food on that grill.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/21/2010 4:42:54 AM   
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Yes.  Per my understanding, halal is equivalent to kosher, in which blood is not permitted.

I think the halal thing is a lot less fastidious than kosher food. Always struck me as a bit half arsed, to be honest.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/21/2010 5:05:30 AM   
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Does the tenderloin I have cooking right now make my grill unacceptable for people who restrict themselves to a kosher/halal diet?


It wouldn't be acceptable.  It wouldn't even be good for strict vegans.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/21/2010 5:06:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is also a provision that allows for them to eat non halal food is there is nothing else available.  As with those who follow Kosher rules some are more observant than others.  But in keeping with the strict following you would not be allowed to cook the chicken on the grill where the pork has been prepared either.

You seem focused on the grill.  What about the chicken?  If you don't use Kosher or Halal prepared chicken it doesn't really matter about the grill.

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RE: A nice pork tenderloin, and religious dietary restr... - 6/21/2010 5:08:41 AM   
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This is another good reason to be an atheist. You can eat whatever you want, not constrained for ridiculous arbitrary reasons.


Try telling that to a vegetarian atheist... are you suggestion that all arbitrary reasons are ridiculous?  Thought so.

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