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Aynne88 -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 7:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania They took the dog into the store and left the windows cracked... Even this is a really bad idea, by the way, when the weather is hot. Julia I usually always agree with you but leaving a dog inadvertently in a car....no pass. Sorry. I find it inexcusable and ignorant, and having owned dogs my entire life, I find it reprehensible. There just really isn't an excuse for that and if you are that irresponsible please don't have an animal. Edited to say I don't mean you personally, I mean you as in general.

domiguy -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 7:49:14 PM)
aynne this is exactly why I dumped you for a Pro Domme. I don't think you can label a person as being a horrible person or pet owner because this happened. The critter falls asleep and your mind is a million miles away and the next thing you know ol' schotzie is a crispy critter. I don't think the guilt would ever leave. That should be punishment enough. I doubt anyone has been prosecuted for this type of crime....Even when it is a child involved unless you can prove neglect. Almost every parent I know has admitted to "losing" a child for a moment or two...It just so happens they were in the huge majority where that tiny fuck up didn't lead to something God awful. Can I still swing buy for some lobster and a quickie in the tall grass?

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 8:01:26 PM)
quote: Julia I usually always agree with you but leaving a dog inadvertently in a car....no pass. Sorry. I find it inexcusable and ignorant, and having owned dogs my entire life, I find it reprehensible. There just really isn't an excuse for that and if you are that irresponsible please don't have an animal. Edited to say I don't mean you personally, I mean you as in general. Let me paint a picture for you.... I go to the store, my car is filled with groceries. I am unloading them with my pretend hubby. The doors are open, the trunk is open. The car is emptied of its contents. I am in the kitchen unloading my beer and frozen pizza into the fridge (ball game and the pretend hubby has buddies coming over in a half hour). Hubby shuts the car doors and the trunk... he thought the dog was with me... 20 minutes later he comes in after a few friends arrive,m and I say "Lets give Spot a treat" and he says "isn't Spot out in the backyard" and I say... "no you dumbfuck, where is Spot?"... unfortunately there was fatal confusion... Perhaps this could never happen in your universe... car accidents don't happen to you, you never break anything, never a moment goes by that you aren't on top of shit,.... most human beings aren't up to your exacting standards....

NuevaVida -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 8:10:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Julia I usually always agree with you but leaving a dog inadvertently in a car....no pass. Sorry. I find it inexcusable and ignorant, and having owned dogs my entire life, I find it reprehensible. There just really isn't an excuse for that and if you are that irresponsible please don't have an animal. Edited to say I don't mean you personally, I mean you as in general. Let me paint a picture for you.... I go to the store, my car is filled with groceries. I am unloading them with my pretend hubby. The doors are open, the trunk is open. The car is emptied of its contents. I am in the kitchen unloading my beer and frozen pizza into the fridge (ball game and the pretend hubby has buddies coming over in a half hour). Hubby shuts the car doors and the trunk... he thought the dog was with me... 20 minutes later he comes in after a few friends arrive,m and I say "Lets give Spot a treat" and he says "isn't Spot out in the backyard" and I say... "no you dumbfuck, where is Spot?"... unfortunately there was fatal confusion... Honestly, in my own world it wouldn't happen. I am so anal about my pets - where they are, who they're with, what they're doing. I'd be concerned about where the dog went once it jumped out of the car - was there a cat it might chase? Cars in the street? Will it go right up to the house? Etc.? As rushed as I am as often as I am, the only two times my cat has gotten out of the house has been when someone visiting opened the door and I wasn't able to lunge to it in time...but was out retrieving the little guy before doing anything else. It's just how I am with my pets. I can't comment on pretend hubbies, though... quote: Perhaps this could never happen in your universe... car accidents don't happen to you, you never break anything, never a moment goes by that you aren't on top of shit,.... most human beings aren't up to your exacting standards.... I dunno, Julia, I can pretty confidently say this wouldn't happen to me because I wouldn't put my pet in a car on a hot day to begin with, unless we were going to the vet or something, and the car would be running with the AC on. Certainly not to go to the store and let it stay in the car while I shopped, no matter how quickly I shopped. If it was some urgent shopping run and the dog was with us, one of us would go into the store and the other would hang out with the dog outside. To me, it's a no-brainer. We all agree accidents happen. And we all agree this was a horrible thing to have happened. But I do feel it was the owners neglect which caused it. I'm not saying they need to go to jail, but the fact is, the animal relied on the owner and the owner missed a step, and the animal died. That's the fact. And the point of this thread (at least the point I got out of it) was to let others know that leaving animals alone in hot cars is a bad, bad, bad idea. Frankly, I'm grateful for the OP putting that word out.

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 8:19:15 PM)
As a mother, it could never happen to one of my children......I was always the one to get my helpless toddler out of the car. I did not have babysitters. I would not leave it to chance. I love dogs, but they aren't children and while I see them as a responsibility, I don't see them as precious as a baby... they are animals, they are not the fruit of my loins, my attempt to spit into the gene pool. As such I might overlook it... I am just being honest here...is that criminal? I don't think so, but if you do, then you should lobby to get a law passed that if you get distracted for any reason and anything dies as a result, we should lock you up. It would probably not impact my life, because I will probably not get a dog, why? I don't have the time to devote to one. I am one of these people that thinks that dogs need a social network, meaning they need people around most of the time, and if a person gets a dog and leaves them alone all the time, that person is more abusive than the one that accidentally forgot their dog when they unpacked their groceries... This is just my opinion edited to add... I did not mean you passing a law, I meant others that have thought these people need to be reported to the cops... I have had a margarita, and i am a lightweight.... (I make the yummiest margaritas in the world...)

NuevaVida -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 8:54:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I love dogs, but they aren't children and while I see them as a responsibility, I don't see them as precious as a baby... they are animals, they are not the fruit of my loins, my attempt to spit into the gene pool. As such I might overlook it... I am just being honest here...is that criminal? No, it's not criminal to be honest, nor is it criminal to think differently than this. I was not blessed with children, much as I wanted them. So my pet...well...he fills quite a void. He IS "my baby", even though not "of my loins" (then again my sister's kids are adopted and she loves them as any other mother would love her child). quote: I don't think so, but if you do, then you should lobby to get a law passed that if you get distracted for any reason and anything dies as a result, we should lock you up. Um, What? quote: It would probably not impact my life, because I will probably not get a dog, why? I don't have the time to devote to one. I am one of these people that thinks that dogs need a social network, meaning they need people around most of the time, and if a person gets a dog and leaves them alone all the time, that person is more abusive than the one that accidentally forgot their dog when they unpacked their groceries... Possibly, but I'm not measuring anything here. But to some of us, accidentally forgetting your dog IS a big deal. Some people see the suffering of any creature at the hands of their caretaker (be it an accident or not) to be a really big deal. Parents with great intentions also make terrible mistakes that harm their kids. Some of us view these equally. For me, anyone/anything with a central nervous system, which can feel pain, which can feel fear and confusion, and most importantly, which is totally dependent for its well being, deserves to be taken care of and not forgotten. As I have been saying all along is that the dog never should have been in that car to begin with. That was where the neglect began. That was not a mistake, that was a deliberate decision. Then to forget about it on top of that...that is neglect #2, which never would have happened without neglect #1. Neglect upon neglect, and the dog is dead. Some of us think that's not OK. I'm hoping you can respect those feelings. quote: edited to add... I did not mean you passing a law, I meant others that have thought these people need to be reported to the cops... Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering wtf there. I wouldn't have called the cops, but I still think it was stupid of them. And yanno, if I neglected Viktor (my cat) and he died, it would have been stupid of me, too. quote: I have had a margarita, and i am a lightweight.... (I make the yummiest margaritas in the world...) And you're not sharing???

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:08:00 PM)
quote: Possibly, but I'm not measuring anything here. But to some of us, accidentally forgetting your dog IS a big deal. Some people see the suffering of any creature at the hands of their caretaker (be it an accident or not) to be a really big deal. Parents with great intentions also make terrible mistakes that harm their kids. Some of us view these equally. For me, anyone/anything with a central nervous system, which can feel pain, which can feel fear and confusion, and most importantly, which is totally dependent for its well being, deserves to be taken care of and not forgotten. I do not enjoy seeing living creatures suffer... I hate seeing the marine life suffer in the Gulf, I love animals... but my son, he is my life. If he died, put a bullet through my brain, seriously. If I caused his death, I would be a crazy person. He is my heart. That said I see a difference between drinking and driving and falling asleep behind the wheel. I see a difference in spilling coffee in your car and causing an accident, and txting and causing an accident. i see a difference between leaving your pet in the car intentionally, and leaving them accidentally.... quote: As I have been saying all along is that the dog never should have been in that car to begin with. That was where the neglect began. That was not a mistake, that was a deliberate decision. Then to forget about it on top of that...that is neglect #2, which never would have happened without neglect #1. Neglect upon neglect, and the dog is dead. Some of us think that's not OK. I'm hoping you can respect those feelings. These were unconnected events. In fact I wonder why the OP mentioned them leaving the dog in the first place, the dog was alive when they got home. I do not see these events as related..... quote: And you're not sharing??? I just poured you one... I buy my triple sec at Trader Joes, it isn't the best in the world, but it is good for the price[;)]

domiguy -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:16:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania As a mother, it could never happen to one of my children......I was always the one to get my helpless toddler out of the car. I did not have babysitters. I would not leave it to chance. I love dogs, but they aren't children and while I see them as a responsibility, I don't see them as precious as a baby... they are animals, they are not the fruit of my loins, my attempt to spit into the gene pool. As such I might overlook it... I am just being honest here...is that criminal? I don't think so, but if you do, then you should lobby to get a law passed that if you get distracted for any reason and anything dies as a result, we should lock you up. It would probably not impact my life, because I will probably not get a dog, why? I don't have the time to devote to one. I am one of these people that thinks that dogs need a social network, meaning they need people around most of the time, and if a person gets a dog and leaves them alone all the time, that person is more abusive than the one that accidentally forgot their dog when they unpacked their groceries... This is just my opinion edited to add... I did not mean you passing a law, I meant others that have thought these people need to be reported to the cops... I have had a margarita, and i am a lightweight.... (I make the yummiest margaritas in the world...) Try this one....might be the best ever. http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/view?recipeID=1

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:22:01 PM)
Yummy! My sister makes hers with Cointreau. I almost bought some Citronge today when I went I Trader Joe's, but I am on a budget until August....

NuevaVida -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:26:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I do not enjoy seeing living creatures suffer... I hate seeing the marine life suffer in the Gulf, I love animals... but my son, he is my life. If he died, put a bullet through my brain, seriously. If I caused his death, I would be a crazy person. He is my heart. And I respect that. As mentioned, I didn't get that blessing in life. So I don't have a child to compare my pet to. My pet is as close to my kid as I'm going to get. quote: That said I see a difference between drinking and driving and falling asleep behind the wheel. I see a difference in spilling coffee in your car and causing an accident, and txting and causing an accident. i see a difference between leaving your pet in the car intentionally, and leaving them accidentally.... There are differences between accidents and deliberate actions, yes. But both can be neglectful. I remember years ago a local man was arrested for forgetting to lock his gun safe. And his 5 year old son shot and killed himself. It was an accident, but he went to jail for not protecting the child from known harm. It was a charge of manslaughter - neglectfully causing the death of another. Now I realize people laws are stricter than animal laws, but I think if someone wants to report neglect to authorities, they have the right to do that, whether we agree with them or not. quote: These were unconnected events. In fact I wonder why the OP mentioned them leaving the dog in the first place, the dog was alive when they got home. I do not see these events as related..... They are related because the dog would not have been accidentally left in the car had it not been placed in the car to begin with. Sometimes it only takes minutes for heat stroke to hit an animal. She was putting a warning out there for people who don't know that. Had the family not put the dog in the car to go to the store, they would not have accidentally left it there. Not everyone who leaves their dog for a few minutes in a hot car comes back to an alive dog. quote: I just poured you one... I buy my triple sec at Trader Joes, it isn't the best in the world, but it is good for the price[;)] No fair. Can't get there in time so you have to drink it for me!

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:29:41 PM)
quote: No fair. Can't get there in time so you have to drink it for me! I will have to do this.... you are right

TheHeretic -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:31:08 PM)
FR Motherfucking morons. Dumb, dumb DUMB! They should feel horribly guilty forever. I hope they have nightmares for years. That the dog didn't get out of the car at home suggests to me that some of the damage may have already been done during their "quick" run into the store. When we stop anywhere with the dogs along, either they come with whenever we stop, or one of us stays in the car with them. Shit like this isn't something that just happens. Shit like this needs an asshole to create it.

UniqueRaven -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 9:41:56 PM)
Wow, i go away and return to find the discussion....i really don't have anything to add to that. i will say my friends do have children - that have had this dog as a family member for years. Are my friends devastated and traumatized that the accident happened? Yes. Are they even more devastated and guilty FOREVER that they have to explain to their children that Mom and Dad's stupidity and bad choice killed their lifelong friend and love? Abso-frickin'-lutely. It is horrible beyond belief. They knew it was a bad idea and made a stupid choice. They fully are aware of this fact and have not downplayed their guilt at all. The result of their stupid choice was a tragic accident that was horrible and they'll have to deal with for the rest of their lives - and their children's lives. i can't imagine how it would feel to know that my beloved doggie died like that. i often have nightmares about what would happen to him if there was a fire that broke out at my house while i wasn't at home with him trapped inside. To think that he could die as a result of MY stupidity - i think that's worse punishment than any fine a court might hand out over a judgment of abuse.

DarlingSavage -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 10:49:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Obviously you have never made a mistake. If it had been a sleeping child you would want to send that person to jail?....What would that accomplish? Unbelievable. Our prisons are not full enough of people that are pot smokers, etc... we need to start locking up people for making a mistake.... but fear not, most of us fortunately make only nonfatal blunders... like when I broke my toe two years ago dropping shelf on it... it is paining me tonight, so yes, I still regret that boneheaded mistake oh damn! You didn't love on me back!

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 11:00:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Obviously you have never made a mistake. If it had been a sleeping child you would want to send that person to jail?....What would that accomplish? Unbelievable. Our prisons are not full enough of people that are pot smokers, etc... we need to start locking up people for making a mistake.... but fear not, most of us fortunately make only nonfatal blunders... like when I broke my toe two years ago dropping shelf on it... it is paining me tonight, so yes, I still regret that boneheaded mistake oh damn! You didn't love on me back! How can I show my love, baby?

LafayetteLady -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 11:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: What if that had been their sleeping child? Would you chalk it up to a "mistake" and let them go? That would depend on the situation.... How long was the child left inside the car, etc. You do realize that the heat in a closed up car can be fatal in minutes. If a child was thought to have left a car, and didn't and the parents discovered this 5 minutes later, yes, I would call that a tragic mistake...an animal is not a child, though. We do not keep as close of tabs on them...reread the OP, they thought the dog was not in the car.... you did see that, right? The dog was alive on the way home That's the whole point, that a responsible parent and a responsible parent can't "think" one or the other is out of the vehicle. Most people pull into their driveways which are in the front of their home and not gated, so it would be irresponsible to think your dog jumped out and was simply wandering the neighborhood. quote: quote: Owning a dog is a responsibility. If you can't remember that your dog is in the car, you are not being responsible. "They then went home, unloaded the car in the driveway - and didn't notice that he had stayed inside. " Exactly. They "didn't" notice. Weren't paying attention, weren't being responsible. What about that is so difficult for you to understand. quote: So you cannot see a situation where the car is open and they are unloading the car, and thinking that the dog had exited the vehicle... it could have happened to me, I am not a holier than thou sort of person and I realize we do not see things the way they truly are... this is like thinking the lane next to you is clear when it isn't, and you don't see that car in the lane next to you.... blammo, family of 5 dead.... sure, we can deride the poor asshole that caused the accident, that didn't see, or was driving tired, etc, but human beings are imperfect.... Actually you are one of the most holier than thou people around here, but regardless of that, you don't seem to grasp simple concepts. A child who is old enough to not be in a car seat is old enough to open a car door. I child who is in a car seat more often is not, so how, as a "responsible parent" could one "think" the child got out of the car? As for leaving the dog in the car in the Texas heat with the windows cracked being responsible, it's not. They were lucky the dog was still alive when they returned to the car from the store. But with their irresponsibility their luck ran out. Yes, they should be reported because they should not be permitted to own another animal. They should also be forced to sit in a car under the same conditions as the animal for a comparable period of time so they really understand what they did. Of course, if we left these kinds of things up to you, everyone would be claiming how it was a mistake to abuse or neglect the animals and children, and you would be ok with it.

LafayetteLady -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 11:26:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida No, it's not criminal to be honest, nor is it criminal to think differently than this. I was not blessed with children, much as I wanted them. So my pet...well...he fills quite a void. He IS "my baby", even though not "of my loins" (then again my sister's kids are adopted and she loves them as any other mother would love her child). Actually it can be considered criminal, at the very least animal neglect which would be a lesser crime. The whole point is that people on the pit bull thread will talk about the owner's responsibility for the animal biting the OP's dog and not properly supervising, and then those same people think that these people irresponsibly leaving the dog in the car is just a horrible mistake. Both case, the pet owner was not properly supervising their animal. You can't say one was intentional and one was an accident. But it would seem that it is much easier to try and jump on the more popular thought process. So much easier than having your own and standing by it.

DameBruschetta -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 11:38:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub You are right. Now that I am calmer, I realize I would not call the cops on friends. I would cook them chicken and dumplins and take it to them and hold them while they cried. I still find leaving a dog in a car unbelievable. All the other examples you gave are in totally different categories to me. This was something that was so easily preventable, and it is something we hear about here in the south too many times. Now I must cry for Jeffffs poor hamsters....... I have to agree to this one. I never bring the dog out of the house in the summer because of heat worries. Even in the high seventies... all you need is 15 minutes for it to reach over 100 degrees in a car under full sun. I can't imagine leaving a dog alone in the car to go shopping - no matter how fast you rush. Sad thing is that had they never risked the dog and the heat... the dog would still be alive. Then again I don't understand how you can unload a car and not unload the dog... put thats just me. Either way, I feel for them... because that is a horrible thing to go through.

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 11:42:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida No, it's not criminal to be honest, nor is it criminal to think differently than this. I was not blessed with children, much as I wanted them. So my pet...well...he fills quite a void. He IS "my baby", even though not "of my loins" (then again my sister's kids are adopted and she loves them as any other mother would love her child). Actually it can be considered criminal, at the very least animal neglect which would be a lesser crime. The whole point is that people on the pit bull thread will talk about the owner's responsibility for the animal biting the OP's dog and not properly supervising, and then those same people think that these people irresponsibly leaving the dog in the car is just a horrible mistake. Both case, the pet owner was not properly supervising their animal. You can't say one was intentional and one was an accident. But it would seem that it is much easier to try and jump on the more popular thought process. So much easier than having your own and standing by it. Oh sweetie, I have actually witnessed you stalk people from forum to forum... seriously, your opinion about me means absolutely nothing to me.... You can build your strawmen up, I am not going to even dignify your response with tearing them down... you did not even address the scenario I laid out... Go get on your high horsey and flame away.. you are not very good at it, but it is something that I have become very used to when I see your name on a thread

juliaoceania -> RE: The Heat and Pets (6/21/2010 11:48:16 PM)
quote: Either way, I feel for them... because that is a horrible thing to go through. I do too.... My sister recently lost her pig, a wild animal sliced her belly open while she was grazing for acorns out front of my sister's house... my sister was devastated and blamed herself, and although she should not have left the pig out of the pen when she went inside to feed her baby, she did not know this would happen.... She was distraught over it.....

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