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ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 7:06:46 AM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		Many cities across the nation are joining AZ in having laws directly relating to ILLEGAL immigration.  The laws say nothing about LEGAL immigration, yet the ACLU finds them some kind of bad thing and sets out to block their enforcement and have them repealed or chastize these government entities from lawfully protecting it's citizanary.  It is like law breakers have more rights than those of us that follow the rule of law.

There 2 examples that i am citing of municipal laws affecting ILLEGALS.  these are both listed in the article:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/ap_on_re_us/us_nebraska_immigration

In 2006 Hazleton, Pa passed its regulation.  Why now ACLU are you taking action?
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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 7:32:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Somebody's breaking the law, Ken: these sorts wouldn't be in your country in the first place if nobody was employing them, would they?

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 7:45:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's to do with the fact it would encourage racial profiling. i.e. who do you decide to stop in the street to detect the crime and enforce the law?

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 8:27:39 AM   
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I think it's to do with the fact it would encourage racial profiling. i.e. who do you decide to stop in the street to detect the crime and enforce the law?


As Dennis Miller says in the terrorism context, it isnt racial profiling, its being minimally observant. In a world of limited resources, if you don't focus your efforts, you're doomed to fail.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 10:36:04 AM   
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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 10:38:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Intriguingly enough, the London Met have been focussing their stop and searches on black kids for years.
Which is hilarious, really, as the chav trolls are as likely, or arguably even moreso, to be holding dope or illegal weapons.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 10:46:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya, and the polices unofficial response is they'll stop searching white kids more than asian kids and black kids more than white kids when it stops being closer to accurate as to the 'success' rate of those searches.


If racial profiling is illegal in the us, then these laws are on really dodgy ground, but....meh.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 11:19:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

I think it's to do with the fact it would encourage racial profiling. i.e. who do you decide to stop in the street to detect the crime and enforce the law?


As Dennis Miller says in the terrorism context, it isnt racial profiling, its being minimally observant. In a world of limited resources, if you don't focus your efforts, you're doomed to fail.


Ah yes, you can never go wrong quoting one of the great philosophers of our time.





< Message edited by rulemylife -- 6/22/2010 11:20:38 AM >

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 11:28:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

I think it's to do with the fact it would encourage racial profiling. i.e. who do you decide to stop in the street to detect the crime and enforce the law?


As Dennis Miller says in the terrorism context, it isnt racial profiling, its being minimally observant. In a world of limited resources, if you don't focus your efforts, you're doomed to fail.


Ah yes, you can never go wrong quoting one of the great philosophers of our time.






Philosopher? maybe to you. Funniest political humorist around? Absolutely. If Jon Stewart had 1/4 of DMs wit he might even have an audience thats progressed beyond the 3rd grade.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 11:42:24 AM   
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The Fremont measure will require would-be renters to apply for a license from the city.


This thing is not right in my view: a triumph of bureaucracy and surveillance of legal residents. Businesses can be effectively prevented from employing illegals. Having a few illegals around (who can evade the policies) wouldn't make much trouble.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 1:44:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Somebody's breaking the law, Ken: these sorts wouldn't be in your country in the first place if nobody was employing them, would they?


Moon, they wouldn't be here in the first place if our Federal government had been doing it's job for the last twenty years or so.
We're *paying* them to do a job and they're not doing it! All we get is excuses!

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 1:47:55 PM   
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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 1:53:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		NAMBLA..... er... I mean... the ACLU only wants headline cases.  They could give a fart in a hurricane about ordinary civil liberties.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 3:15:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, now that Mexico has filed briefs in support of suits against the law, and filed one of their own, Im sure Az is going to buckle under the pressure.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 7:19:05 PM   
servantforuse


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Status: offline 		The Arizona law basically mirrors the federal imigration laws. I can't see what the up roar is all about. If I get stopped for a traffic offence I get asked for identification. Why shouldn't everyone else ?

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 10:56:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
As Dennis Miller says in the terrorism context, it isnt racial profiling, its being minimally observant. In a world of limited resources, if you don't focus your efforts, you're doomed to fail.


I kind of agree with that. I mean if a cop pulled someone over, and the driver was slurring and stuttering and laughing, the cop would probably administer a sobriety test, even if they didn't smell alcohol or pot. So if a cop pulls someone over and they speak fractured English with a thick Mexican accent, the cop would probably think to question citizenship. It's reasonable suspicion.

Really though there needs to be a centralized database accessible from police cars where entering a passport number can bring up a name, photo, and visa status. That's the only way something like that would work, same with field sobriety tests. The problem with this law is not the concept but the implementation.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/22/2010 11:37:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those who made the law must first get out of that town (this will never happen) since they are just descendents of immigrants from different parts of world. The real Americans were killed off by colonialists. The large landmass of America was taken by force. Aborigines are the real owners of Australia and indigenous people in America are the first real Americans.
People need to be more tolerant of others.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Many cities across the nation are joining AZ in having laws directly relating to ILLEGAL immigration.  The laws say nothing about LEGAL immigration, yet the ACLU finds them some kind of bad thing and sets out to block their enforcement and have them repealed or chastize these government entities from lawfully protecting it's citizanary.  It is like law breakers have more rights than those of us that follow the rule of law.

There 2 examples that i am citing of municipal laws affecting ILLEGALS.  these are both listed in the article:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/ap_on_re_us/us_nebraska_immigration

In 2006 Hazleton, Pa passed its regulation.  Why now ACLU are you taking action?



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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/23/2010 12:32:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

Those who made the law must first get out of that town (this will never happen) since they are just descendents of immigrants from different parts of world. The real Americans were killed off by colonialists. The large landmass of America was taken by force. Aborigines are the real owners of Australia and indigenous people in America are the first real Americans.
People need to be more tolerant of others.



The land is native, yes. If the issue was just about living on the land, I doubt people would care so much.

The jobs, the schools, the roads, the hospitals, the police, the homes, etc were all developed by the United States of America, and it's access to those facilities that inspire immigration, not the good hunting or temperate weather.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/23/2010 10:13:25 AM   
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The Arizona law basically mirrors the federal imigration laws. I can't see what the up roar is all about. If I get stopped for a traffic offence I get asked for identification. Why shouldn't everyone else ?

Your driver's license is not proof of citizenship. The Arizona law requires that you prove citizenship which requires a passport or birth certificate.

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RE: ACLU... Why? - 6/23/2010 3:33:56 PM   
Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

The Arizona law basically mirrors the federal imigration laws. I can't see what the up roar is all about. If I get stopped for a traffic offence I get asked for identification. Why shouldn't everyone else ?

Your driver's license is not proof of citizenship. The Arizona law requires that you prove citizenship which requires a passport or birth certificate.


If you bothered to read the text of the law it specifically says that a valid drivers license will be considered proof of citizenship under that law.

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