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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:40:55 AM   
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Let me rephrase, the point of this thread is to ARGUE about whether or not we should allow companies to sell kiddie crack to kids....
Julia...companies are NOT selling kiddie crack to kids. The average Happy-Meal kid can't see over the counter to place their order.

They are selling it to the irresponsible PARENTS of the kids who feed it to their beloved offspring to shut them up.


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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:44:27 AM   
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Let me rephrase, the point of this thread is to ARGUE about whether or not we should allow companies to sell kiddie crack to kids....


My point is that they're NOT selling it to kids. While they might be aiming their marketing at kids and even including ingredients to keep em coming back for more, it is the parents who are buying it.


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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:46:41 AM   
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To eliminate "kids paying the price" eliminate the kids from the parents abusing them, or unable to provide for them since they are going hungry and refuse to reimburse the government for the cost of feeding their kids.
i wish!

Our society has returned kids to abusive parents who have put them in the hospital. Are they going to yank a kid because the lil one doesn't eat breakfast?

And the fact is...*hang on..this flame retardent suit is a lil snug....huffpuff* Many CAN be provided for, considering the food stamps and welfare monies some parents receive. There is no reason the kid can't have a freakin' bowl of Cherrios in the morning.


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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:49:35 AM   
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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:51:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		It really is no different than the advertising you see on cartoon tv channels or during Saturday morning cartoons. We had those too as kids, my kids had them as well. They don't advertise healthy foods during commercial breaks. They advertise every crap cereal and food item they make. They advertise all of the newest and latest piece of garbage toys. They do it because they know the kids are gonna drive the parents crazy whining that they want them and a certain percentage of those parents are going to cave in and let them have it. The percentage is what is growing. My parents stood strong...so did I. I didn't care if they threw a tantrum in the cereal aisle because all the crap cereal is placed at THEIR eye level. As a parent, it was my responsibility to make sure *I* made healthy choices for my kids regardless how much temptation corporations wanted to throw their way.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:52:15 AM   
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To eliminate "kids paying the price" eliminate the kids from the parents abusing them, or unable to provide for them since they are going hungry and refuse to reimburse the government for the cost of feeding their kids.
i wish!

Our society has returned kids to abusive parents who have put them in the hospital. Are they going to yank a kid because the lil one doesn't eat breakfast?

And the fact is...*hang on..this flame retardant suit is a lil snug....huffpuff* Many CAN be provided for, considering the food stamps and welfare monies some parents receive. There is no reason the kid can't have a freakin' bowl of Cherrios in the morning.


No need for any "flame retardant" for me. I'd agree and stipulate to your position and don't find it in conflict with my proposed 'billing' solution. Deduct the cost of the food provided from the welfare monies parents receive. 'Cheerios' or a breakfast 'Happy Meal' - feeding the child is what the money was supposed to go to in the first place. You point out an accurate position of what's now occurring which would indicate the 'parent' is double dipping at the government entitlement troff.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:54:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The entitlement mindset is taking over for sure.  I have to really reach down deeply to remain professional when I have to explain to a parent that it does not matter that they were free in another state or county, they still have to fill out paperwork for this county, and they will have to repay any charges accrued before they are approved.  Picture hands on hips and a smartassed we never payed before and we aint payin you. 

There are charge limits in place, and once reached, we are supposed to not feed the child breakfast at all, and give them a peanut butter or a cold cheese sandwich with a milk for lunch. I refuse to punish a kid for having a first rate dickhead for a parent, and luckily my principal feels the same way and he always makes sure I have funds to pay off tthe charges, either from more well to do parents, from our partners in education or out of his pocket.

I had a 2nd grader come in about 9:30 one morning.  I happened to be in the office when his mom came in, in her pajamas, to sign him in.  I asked him if he had breakfast yet and he said no.  I went to tell him to go to my office and wait and I would get him some cereal and a piece of fruit at least, and his mom, no kidding, started to yell at ME, telling me that he would not eat breakfast because IT WAS HIS JOB TO GET UP AND GET READY FOR SCHOOL AND THEN TO WAKE HER UP TO BRING HIM.  A second grader, a mom that I know does not work, and that was ehr outlook.

I smiled and walked out, waited til he went to class, then I knocked on the classroom door and asked him to follow me and he went and ate breakfast in my office.  Had that mom come to me and bitched about me defying her, I would have told her I was sorry, but I had concerns.  I would have then told her I would not do it again, but I would refer the school social worker to check into her home because of my concerns.  I would bet the farm she would immediately tell me oh its ok hon, you do what you want to about feeding him.

The kids are going to be fucked up for their entire life.  I just try to do what I can to show them I care, and I work hard to not go to jail for knocking the hell out of some of the ignorant parents I deal with.  Seems the less prepared you are for parenthood, the easier you can spit babies out every year.....

Again, I say, from my point of view, it is not Mcdonalds or school lunches causing problems, it is home life.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 11:56:28 AM   
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Given the choice- how many are going to choose a measly apple salad.  One does need calories.

E.,   I almost posted that story- but -  you once said to Torrygraph was unreliable.

Holly- our menus are all online too.

Julia-  I fully agree that HFCS is a bad thing.   This is WHY we have a health problem- that and refined flour.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:00:16 PM   
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Really? The first paragraph of the link from the OP is this:
Weeks after a Silicon Valley county became the first in the nation to ban toys from McDonald's Happy Meals and other food promotions aimed at children, a public health watchdog group called on the fast food giant to remove the playthings from all its meal packages.


Let me rephrase, the point of this thread is to ARGUE about whether or not we should allow companies to sell kiddie crack to kids....


They aren't selling it to kids. They are selling it to parents. It's the parent's job to decide what to feed their kid.

I'm intensely opposed to nannies running the country and deciding what can and can not be sold. Treating adults like kids and not allowing them to parent just makes the situation worse.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:02:53 PM   
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HA.

The pre-supposes the stuff is FOOD.  it is not.  it is a foodlike substance- but it is not food.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:03:16 PM   
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Unless the "Silicon Valley county" is a social group, government intervention is the topic submitting to the pressure of a "watchdog group" who believes they have a 'one true way' of feeding children which, based upon their action, the "Silicon Valley county" agrees.


why should the government have to intervene?

Just stop buying it.



I think that high fructose corn syrup should be outlawed. It isn't food, it is some chemically altered substance that interacts in the body in such a way that they suspect it causes people to become addicted to it, not to mention the body cannot break it down as well as simple sugars so it stores more readily as fat....

But you know, making companies responsible for the sludge they hide in our food is pretty unpopular with our government... since they get paid off by these same companies that are poisoning us and polluting not only our environment, but our bodies too


Suspect is not proof and we live in a nation where we are allowed to have things that are bad for us. I prefer that to the "Nanny Nation".

If you don't like it, don't buy it and don't eat it. Encourage others to eat the same effectively and the market will change it's products to suit demand. I'd suggest a less aggressive and more kind tone - people tend to come around better when you present alternatives instead of ultimations and calling what they eat nasty names.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:03:57 PM   
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I had a 2nd grader come in about 9:30 one morning. I happened to be in the office when his mom came in, in her pajamas, to sign him in. I asked him if he had breakfast yet and he said no. I went to tell him to go to my office and wait and I would get him some cereal and a piece of fruit at least, and his mom, no kidding, started to yell at ME, telling me that he would not eat breakfast because IT WAS HIS JOB TO GET UP AND GET READY FOR SCHOOL AND THEN TO WAKE HER UP TO BRING HIM. A second grader, a mom that I know does not work, and that was ehr outlook.

I smiled and walked out, waited til he went to class, then I knocked on the classroom door and asked him to follow me and he went and ate breakfast in my office. Had that mom come to me and bitched about me defying her,
if you only  knew how badly i want to hug that kid...

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:08:07 PM   
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Nannies?

HA.

The pre-supposes the stuff is FOOD.  it is not.  it is a foodlike substance- but it is not food.



It is actually food and this attitude that it's not food is just idiotic. It contains both nutrients and fats. It will break down in your stomach and keep you alive from day to day. Chocolate is food. Apples are food. A "Happy Meal" is food.

Now, that doesn't mean every food substance should be eaten in great quantity. Either way, it's the job of the parent to... you know... parent.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:12:04 PM   
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Nannies?

HA.

The pre-supposes the stuff is FOOD.  it is not.  it is a foodlike substance- but it is not food.



It is actually food and this attitude that it's not food is just idiotic. It contains both nutrients and fats. It will break down in your stomach and keep you alive from day to day. Chocolate is food. Apples are food. A "Happy Meal" is food.

Now, that doesn't mean every food substance should be eaten in great quantity. Either way, it's the job of the parent to... you know... parent.


Ordinarily I would agree with you.

But HFCS is more like a drug.  Not a food.   Look at how many are obese.  And simply exercising will not cut it.  HFCS and refined flour -  think of how it is the food AND drug industry - one revenue stream feeds the other revenue steam.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:14:30 PM   
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I had a 2nd grader come in about 9:30 one morning. I happened to be in the office when his mom came in, in her pajamas, to sign him in. I asked him if he had breakfast yet and he said no. I went to tell him to go to my office and wait and I would get him some cereal and a piece of fruit at least, and his mom, no kidding, started to yell at ME, telling me that he would not eat breakfast because IT WAS HIS JOB TO GET UP AND GET READY FOR SCHOOL AND THEN TO WAKE HER UP TO BRING HIM. A second grader, a mom that I know does not work, and that was ehr outlook.

I smiled and walked out, waited til he went to class, then I knocked on the classroom door and asked him to follow me and he went and ate breakfast in my office. Had that mom come to me and bitched about me defying her,
if you only  knew how badly i want to hug that kid...


That hurts my heart. Apparently she is misinformed on how parenting works. Pardon me..... "stupid bitch"




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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:14:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah... I haven't cut any HFCS from my diet and I still managed to lose 45 pounds. I'm not buying this "it's a drug" BS.

It's tasty. It shouldn't be eaten in excess but it's tasty. Like most things in life, use in moderation.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:24:36 PM   
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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:33:11 PM   
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/an01588


The only quote necessary to read from the article:So far, research has yielded conflicting results about the effects of high-fructose corn syrup.
(Emphases added)

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:39:13 PM   
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Yeah... I haven't cut any HFCS from my diet and I still managed to lose 45 pounds. I'm not buying this "it's a drug" BS.

It's tasty. It shouldn't be eaten in excess but it's tasty. Like most things in life, use in moderation.


That is not good enough.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 12:42:15 PM   
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/an01588


The only quote necessary to read from the article:So far, research has yielded conflicting results about the effects of high-fructose corn syrup.
(Emphases added)


it crams more calories into a cell - this is done synthetically and the body can not sythecise the added calories that are artificially packed into a cell.

It IS a drug.

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