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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 5:43:30 PM   
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I feel bad for the parents- as there is very little real choice on something that in this land of plenty should be an easy fix.

But it isnt.

an easy fix...stop buying it.



First of all, one would have to know there is something wrong with buying it

Second of all, one would have to follow their kids around and militantly make sure they are not eating it, because since it is legal crack, their kids are going to be exposed to it... at their friend's house, at school,.,,,, etc etc etc


Third of all, it is in almost everything you buy at the store, and even the wholesome fresh stuff is genetically modified and void of nutrition...

Since we are in an epidemic of obesity we have to look at everything that is leading us there, including the marketing of junk. Don't you think that advertisements that people come into contact with all day long every day have an impact on their "choices"? if advertising wasn't successful, companies would not spend so much on it


First off - it's not crack. Comparing it to crack is disgraceful because it cheapens the actual addiction of those on crack. Little kids aren't stealing their friends legos to sell to buy french fries.

Second, as adult we are responsible for finding out what goes in our food. If the companies won't hand over the information, we have the responsiblity of deciding to eat it or not. Anything that lessens responsiblity in this culture is probably a bad thing. We don't need to rely on more people to do what we should be doing for ourselves.

Thirdly, how dangerous the modifications are completely depend on who you are talk to, what specific item you are talking about and haven't even been definately proven to be a bad thing. Again, if you - julia - don't want it, I support you. But you don't get to decide what I eat or feed my children.

Of course ads work. And they will stop working when people decide they want different things. Ads also change to reflect the desires of our culture - which again brings me to the point of: If you want things to change, stop screwing with the businesses and start talking to the people. Respectfully.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 5:49:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would love to do a food inventory of all these HFCS cheerleaders in their home and see just how they dont "choose" this toxin.


I would examine the fridge, the freezer, the cabinets- all food stuffs.   We then would see how "choosing" is working out for yous.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 6:26:46 PM   
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I would love to do a food inventory of all these HFCS cheerleaders in their home and see just how they dont "choose" this toxin.


I would examine the fridge, the freezer, the cabinets- all food stuffs.   We then would see how "choosing" is working out for yous.



Oh for goodness sake.

If you can't grasp the difference between saying "I don't support outlawing it because I don't need you or the government to make my choices for me" and "cheerleading" something, you have a lot more issues than HFCS.

Nobody here is going "OMG YAY HFCS OMG OMG OMG!!! GIMME H! GIMME A F! GIMME A C! GIMME S!" Simply that we are not willing to allow the government and some group of busybodies to make our food choices for us and our children.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 6:39:13 PM   
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Ok- let me say it this way.  I wish I could go to the grocery store and be able to easily pick out the good foods.


That is not possible for me- and I live near a headquarters of a large grocery chain.

The area also has a medical center- and some pharmaceutical plants.

I have to go to 3 stores to get groceries.    That can be time consuming.  Each store has items but no store has all the items.  So it requires going to 3 separate grocery stores every week or 10 days.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 7:07:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am late to the fray but really wish people would not feed this sort of crap to their kids.  It's mass manufactured factory food, blech

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 7:10:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hunk do you ever go to the farmer's market and try to buy locally?  CSAs are a good source of nutrition and better than a grocery, plus you help the local community/  ?Rent "Food, Inc:"

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 7:12:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I do.   I do note tho that just because it is a tent- does not mean it is local.   Bread, milk, cereal, meats, coffee, chocolate, cheeses.   this is what I buy- but want to good stuff.

I think I seen that documentary.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 7:17:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The point is you can approach the tent and inquire about the food:  are you local?  Do you feed your cows beef or corn?  Are you organic?  Are you seeds genetically modified?  

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/23/2010 7:22:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did ask about Monsanto.   I got a blank on that.

I am pretty satisfied with fruits and vegies.  it is the other foods that are hard to buy.  bread is a big one.  even if it is whole wheat- all of it- there is only one type locally that does not have HFCS in it.  cereals it is getting easier.

on cheeses- I dont care for the individually wrapped cheese- as it seems too oily.

a simply loaf of bread should be easy to buy.  instead it is a challenge. if too many catch on then I wont get any --- the store only stocks like 5 at a time.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 2:27:37 AM   
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/an01588


The only quote necessary to read from the article:So far, research has yielded conflicting results about the effects of high-fructose corn syrup.
(Emphases added)


This one works well for me too:

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But recent research — some of which is supported by the beverage industry — suggests that high-fructose corn syrup isn't intrinsically less healthy than other sweeteners, nor is it the root cause of obesity.



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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 4:54:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		They have commercials now about HFCS indicating its not as bad as people think it is.

As to the concept of who do we place the responsibility on -- the people.  With the internet, TV, and other technology out there, education is a lot easier obtained on things.  If people don't choose to look into things they don't know  -- i.e., whats in their food, nutritional info, etc, then its because they don't want to know.  Most fast food places i believe have nutritional information about their food on their webpages.

As for their kids, people have a responsibility as to what to feed their kids.  People make too many excuses and will continue to do so.   Having the government nanny things won't make people make different choices they will simply find another way to do what they are doing now.  Its not the restaurants responsibility to police people and what they eat nor is it the governments.   PEOPLE need to decide to make different choices and in this day and age with all the information available as well as ads and such about obesity etc -- people can make different choices but what's more they can become educated if they wish.  The government shouldn't have to step in because of lazy parenting, what the government should do is offer the education needed to people.  Which, with the internet, i believe they may already, i don't know. 

WHat's next are they going to ban all the video games and computers and such that kids spend hours playing on daily instead of playing outside?   Restaurants aren't the problem -- people are.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 5:15:49 AM   
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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 6:00:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been reading thru this thread like a tennis match..........head going back & forth as the blame shifts from the Govt. to the parents.
Fast food isn't the cause of obesity, it's the lack of exercise. 
My mother hated to cook so I grew up on fast food & anything out of a box/or can but I was always told to go outside & PLAY instead of sitting in front of the boob tube.
Answer me this....the Govt decides to make healthy food cheaper so now we can all afford to eat right but your kid's still get fat.....who's responsibility is it now?

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 6:41:13 AM   
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I feel bad for the parents- as there is very little real choice on something that in this land of plenty should be an easy fix.

But it isnt.

an easy fix...stop buying it.



First of all, one would have to know there is something wrong with buying it
um...duh?

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Second of all, one would have to follow their kids around and militantly make sure they are not eating it, because since it is legal crack, their kids are going to be exposed to it... at their friend's house, at school,.,,,, etc etc etc
How often...now seriously, just how often will your kids go to a fast food joint? First they have to have the funds. Then they have to have the transportation. Then, opportunity. If after all this the kids are STILL scarfing it daily, it is poor parenting. Sorry.
It is also not what the kids are doing when outside of parental supervision, but rather the parents buying the convenient sacked heart attacks FOR the kids, and what they are teaching.
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Third of all, it is in almost everything you buy at the store, and even the wholesome fresh stuff is genetically modified and void of nutrition...

And just who is the consumer of this? It sure isn't the kids. Kids don't read labels. Adults should.

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Since we are in an epidemic of obesity we have to look at everything that is leading us there, including the marketing of junk. Don't you think that advertisements that people come into contact with all day long every day have an impact on their "choices"? if advertising wasn't successful, companies would not spend so much on it
My common sense and concern for the well being of my family takes a priority over marketing and advertising. I am sorry Julia, i am an adult and can and do think for myself.


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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 6:54:49 AM   
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I've been reading thru this thread like a tennis match..........head going back & forth as the blame shifts from the Govt. to the parents.
Fast food isn't the cause of obesity, it's the lack of exercise.
Pots, ya putz...blame exercise for the obesity issue in children and next you will have some idiot ready to sue the makers of video games.

Sorry...it IS the parents. It is the parents who buy the video games/computer stuff etc for the kids, then allow them to sit there all freaking day instead of hauling their lil butts outside.

It is the parents who drop off a carload of kids at the mall every weekend evening in the summer instead of getting the kids involved in community sports that will occupy their weekends and evenings. Why? It is a hell of alot  easier to drop the kids off and pick them up 4 hrs later ("Wait Junior...you have burger money??") then it is to sit through his soccer games.  It is easier and GUILT free, because the volunteer coaches need and ask for help...but parents get 4 free hours by mall-dumping and NO free time if they participate in the community.

THERE is your lack of exercise...or a major part of it.


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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 7:15:00 AM   
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I must eat.   But video games a person does not need to live.



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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 7:16:16 AM   
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fructose-corn-syrup/an01588


The only quote necessary to read from the article:So far, research has yielded conflicting results about the effects of high-fructose corn syrup.
(Emphases added)


This one works well for me too:

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But recent research — some of which is supported by the beverage industry — suggests that high-fructose corn syrup isn't intrinsically less healthy than other sweeteners, nor is it the root cause of obesity.




Oh PULEASE!


Bull shit.

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 7:20:16 AM   
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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 7:29:48 AM   
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I've been reading thru this thread like a tennis match..........head going back & forth as the blame shifts from the Govt. to the parents.
Fast food isn't the cause of obesity, it's the lack of exercise.
Pots, ya putz...blame exercise for the obesity issue in children and next you will have some idiot ready to sue the makers of video games.

Sorry...it IS the parents. It is the parents who buy the video games/computer stuff etc for the kids, then allow them to sit there all freaking day instead of hauling their lil butts outside.

It is the parents who drop off a carload of kids at the mall every weekend evening in the summer instead of getting the kids involved in community sports that will occupy their weekends and evenings. Why? It is a hell of alot  easier to drop the kids off and pick them up 4 hrs later ("Wait Junior...you have burger money??") then it is to sit through his soccer games.  It is easier and GUILT free, because the volunteer coaches need and ask for help...but parents get 4 free hours by mall-dumping and NO free time if they participate in the community.

THERE is your lack of exercise...or a major part of it.



I never said it wasn't the parents. Matter of fact I do blame the parents for using the tv as a babysitter in addition to the video games & quite honestly in this day & age I wouldn't send out my grandums unsupervised lest they get snatched by some damn freak so while parents are making sure their kids aren't unsupervised outdoors they're taking the lazy way out so they don't have to exercise w/the kids.
I can't throw stones, I did the same thing alot of the time.  If I had to do it all over again I'd put my daughter on her bike & jog alongside  her but I can't turn back time so I do the next best thing, I take the grandums out for exercise & fun..

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RE: Happy Meals under fire - 6/24/2010 7:41:00 AM   
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I've been reading thru this thread like a tennis match..........head going back & forth as the blame shifts from the Govt. to the parents.
Fast food isn't the cause of obesity, it's the lack of exercise.
Pots, ya putz...blame exercise for the obesity issue in children and next you will have some idiot ready to sue the makers of video games.

Sorry...it IS the parents. It is the parents who buy the video games/computer stuff etc for the kids, then allow them to sit there all freaking day instead of hauling their lil butts outside.

It is the parents who drop off a carload of kids at the mall every weekend evening in the summer instead of getting the kids involved in community sports that will occupy their weekends and evenings. Why? It is a hell of alot  easier to drop the kids off and pick them up 4 hrs later ("Wait Junior...you have burger money??") then it is to sit through his soccer games.  It is easier and GUILT free, because the volunteer coaches need and ask for help...but parents get 4 free hours by mall-dumping and NO free time if they participate in the community.

THERE is your lack of exercise...or a major part of it.



I never said it wasn't the parents. Matter of fact I do blame the parents for using the tv as a babysitter in addition to the video games & quite honestly in this day & age I wouldn't send out my grandums unsupervised lest they get snatched by some damn freak so while parents are making sure their kids aren't unsupervised outdoors they're taking the lazy way out so they don't have to exercise w/the kids.
I can't throw stones, I did the same thing alot of the time.  If I had to do it all over again I'd put my daughter on her bike & jog alongside  her but I can't turn back time so I do the next best thing, I take the grandums out for exercise & fun..
sorry...read the undertones of a frustrated coach


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