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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 3:36:33 PM   
laurell3


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ORIGINAL: osf


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

You can't remove ethics from action in a case like this




ethics are relational


That's true, the issue isn't whether prostitution is ethical/moral/legal in my opinion, it's whether this guy is listening to her and recognizing the risks and HER ethical/moral/legal/safety considerations.

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 3:44:18 PM   
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Serious responses only, please!


Seriously - If this was a discussion and issue disclosed prior to establishing your relationship - whatever was agreed to should be followed.



Everyone knows you never have the right to change your mind....How very unslaveish!!!!

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 3:47:14 PM   
laurell3


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ORIGINAL: wednesdayschild

It has been resolved.  I might have been over-reacting and misinterpreting his level of interest in doing this.  So now I'm the schmuck with a thread that I can't delete ...


yeah don't worry about it, it's still a good discussion topic....I mean have you seen the creepy, religion and Jeffff's balls threads?

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 3:59:00 PM   
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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 4:02:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wednesdayschild

It has been resolved.  I might have been over-reacting and misinterpreting his level of interest in doing this.  So now I'm the schmuck with a thread that I can't delete ...


dont worry, ive done that loads of times  - you had a knee jerk and youre allowed.

well, its resolved so good.  im still going to post what i was going to post anyway.

i knew of an s'type who wanted to do this, she was curious, i believe she'd done it before.  her Master was quite into the idea because he liked the whole thing of another man enjoying his property but that she was always his property and he had a say in what went on and how it went down.  so thats a small back drop as to why and how this can and does occur in some relationships.  i think generally the Dom in question gets off on the whole thing of other men enjoying you - i would suggest that you talk to him a bit more and make absolutely sure this isnt a big thing for him or something that might crop up again.  he might have just put this on the back burner for a bit until he thinks you might be ready or more settled.  im not saying that to spook you, just its my experience that these sorts of things dont always go away.  it is a definite 'thing' for some guys.

i was with an M who wanted to share me at a club for sex.  it was something that suddenly cropped up.  i told him then, though i was a slave and theoretically had no actual say within that dynamic, that i wanted to only be used by him.  he accepted that, dropped it for a bit and then the topic came up again a few months further on down.

its not my thing either but the trouble is we dont want to say 'no' and we dont want to dissappoint.

you should now make it very clear that this is never going to happen.  make it an unmoveable Hard Limit.

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 4:48:53 PM   
wednesdayschild


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Status: offline 		Okay, to quench the curiosity of those who wonder how it has been resolved ... there's apparently this novel thing called "communication" that I haven't been very good about ... I also tend to waffle back and forth about whether or not I want something.  So he didn't really have a clue what to think -- when he first introduced the idea, I was like "no way" and then a couple of days later, the filthy-little-slut part of my brain was saying "Hey, this could be fun!" because I do kind of fantasize about that sort of thing.  He wasn't really pushing it on me .... but it kept coming up, and each time I would have a different reaction.  The latest reaction I had -- prior to this original post -- was "Yes, let's do this" ... so he put an up an ad and set up an e-mail account for me.  *Then* I freaked out.  And if I had just expressed what I was feeling instead of running to the message boards and spewing all over the place, then this thread would not even exist.  So, long story short (?), we had a good long talk -- the previous breakdown in communication had led him to believe that this was something that I really wanted, and had led me to believe that this was something that I *had* to do in order to prove myself.  <sigh> It's all good.  He's not really an asshole or a douche or an abuser. Now I feel pretty shitty that there are all these replies to my post about what a jerk he might be ... here's hoping he doesn't frequent the message boards ... :-(
At any rate, yes, I have now made myself clear to him that this is a hard limit, and he is respecting that.
Thank you all for your thoughts!

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 5:08:12 PM   
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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 5:35:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wednesdayschild

Masters -- I'm desperate for your opinions!  Have you ever prostituted your slave?  I don't mean sharing or loaning to someone that you already know ... but actually receiving money from a total stranger in exchange for an hour of your slave's time.  I think if I don't agree to do this, I'm going to lose him.  But I wonder what sort of person makes another person do something like that?  It seems dangerous.  He says he has all the bases covered, so far as safety and legal aspects ... but it just seems *morally* wrong.  I feel like such a prude for thinking that.  But I'm really torn.  I don't know if this is a red flag and I should run like hell, or if I'm just being resistant because I think I'm too good to suck a stranger's cock.  He says I need to see what it feels like to be a real whore, to really understand where my place is. He thinks this will break me down completely and then he can start to build me back up.
Serious responses only, please!  This isn't something that I can handle snide remarks about. 



Just curious... is he aware that, if caught, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor while he gets a felony? Maybe you can take some comfort in that.

Dark humor aside, do you really want a man who is going to force you into something that you don't want to do that risks your health, your safety, jail time and limits your potential future? Even if he sticks with you, if you guys are caught, he'll be serving time for a felony and you'll have to make ends meet somehow.

I know the issue is resolved but wanted to toss that out there in case it comes back again.

To comment on the issue of the thread still being here... Don't worry about it. I realize that some people have a HUGE problem with people turning to the Internet for advice with their relationships. I don't understand it as this usually isn't the sort of thing you can talk to Mom or Sis about and, quite frankly, I know that I'm not self-aware enough to make decisions of this magntitude without getting some outside opinions.

As someone who has been here a long time, I wouldn't worry about your owner looking like a douche. None of us know who you are and if you hang around and post, you'll show through your continued postings that he isn't. I would, however, tell him that you made the thread and explain that you were nervous and didn't have anyone else to talk to about this.

Best of luck,

Aqua

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 6/23/2010 5:36:08 PM >

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 6:03:41 PM   
leadership527


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Status: offline 		My net opinion on all this wednesday... pushing boundaries is dangerous by definition and shit like this happens. You can't skate close to the edge without ... well.. going over the edge now and again.

and yeah, that communication thing is good for what ails you :)

My advice, don't sweat the thread. Don't worry about the incident. You two approached a boundary and worked it out. Under the "that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger" rule, it'll make you stronger.

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 6:42:40 PM   
LordShadow


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Status: offline 		I have prostituted slaves before, I have given them to others to use at no charge...along with this all of the things I do with slaves are usually discussed BEFORE they are collared.

Obviously, not every specific situation can be covered in the early stages, but over a period of months slaves come to understand that I have few limits and damned near anything is possible here...and I expect them to do as they are told whether they like it or not. Slaves that can live with that are in fact few and far between...and that's all good for me. If they can live with that then I take them...if they can't then I don't.

The situation as you describe only serves to stress the importance of knowing your perspective Owner and his limits or on the flip side knowing the girl you are collaring and making sure she clearly understands the expectations you have of her...and the future possibilities.

Of course there is communication which is important throughout the process before collaring and during the course of the relationship.

Just my pennies on the topic, I wish you the best in your relationship.


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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 7:10:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wednesdayschild

So he didn't really have a clue what to think -- when he first introduced the idea, I was like "no way" and then a couple of days later, the filthy-little-slut part of my brain was saying "Hey, this could be fun!" because I do kind of fantasize about that sort of thing.  He wasn't really pushing it on me .... but it kept coming up, and each time I would have a different reaction.  The latest reaction I had -- prior to this original post -- was "Yes, let's do this" ... so he put an up an ad and set up an e-mail account for me.  *Then* I freaked out.  And if I had just expressed what I was feeling instead of running to the message boards and spewing all over the place, then this thread would not even exist.  So, long story short (?), we had a good long talk -- the previous breakdown in communication had led him to believe that this was something that I really wanted, and had led me to believe that this was something that I *had* to do in order to prove myself.



You came to this forum with a story and a question.  Now you admit that you did not tell the whole story.   You skipped everything until the end when the beginning and middle were of great importance.  So, your post will remain on this board for years and you will need to remember that telling the whole truth is important.  Come back to it regularly.  Remember how you skewed the facts to make your Master look bad. 

Also remember that fantasy play can be a big turn on.  In the right moment, when both parties realize it's just fantasy, you can again discuss being a prostitute and make it into a hot scene. 

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 8:17:24 PM   
aldompdx


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Status: offline 		Surrender is by ongoing free choice from self will. Honor your own boundaries and limits. If you cannot honor yourself, you certainly cannot honor and respect another person, including one you adopt as your master.

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 8:36:29 PM   
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You came to this forum with a story and a question.  Now you admit that you did not tell the whole story.   You skipped everything until the end when the beginning and middle were of great importance.  So, your post will remain on this board for years and you will need to remember that telling the whole truth is important.  Come back to it regularly.  Remember how you skewed the facts to make your Master look bad. 

Also remember that fantasy play can be a big turn on.  In the right moment, when both parties realize it's just fantasy, you can again discuss being a prostitute and make it into a hot scene. 



The truth of your comment is painful, but I appreciate your honesty and wisdom. 

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 8:41:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

My net opinion on all this wednesday... pushing boundaries is dangerous by definition and shit like this happens. You can't skate close to the edge without ... well.. going over the edge now and again.

and yeah, that communication thing is good for what ails you :)

My advice, don't sweat the thread. Don't worry about the incident. You two approached a boundary and worked it out. Under the "that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger" rule, it'll make you stronger.


Thank you for that opinion!  I was musing on that myself earlier this evening, before I read your comment ... that perhaps this whole thing was part of exploring my limits ... actively exploring them, not just in my own head ... and that I ought not get worked up into such a tizzy over it.  I explored, I found a limit.  End of story. <breathe>

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 8:50:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wednesdayschild

.. I also tend to waffle back and forth about whether or not I want something.  

-- when he first introduced the idea, I was like "no way" and then a couple of days later, the filthy-little-slut part of my brain was saying "Hey, this could be fun!"


One of the female folk being indecisive and creating drama where none need be....

NO FUCKING WAY!




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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 8:57:56 PM   
wednesdayschild


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One of the female folk being indecisive and creating drama where none need be....

NO FUCKING WAY!



I know, it's just un-fucking-real, isn't it??  Wah-ha-ha!!  My penchant for creating drama is admittedly not one of my finer qualities.  I swear to god I don't do it on purpose though -- it just sort of .. happens .. and by the time I realize I've made a shitty mess, it's often too late to clean it up.
(Comments about scat play would be entirely too predictable here.)

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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 9:36:56 PM   
Kana


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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 9:38:17 PM   
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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 9:41:52 PM   
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RE: Prostitution - 6/23/2010 9:48:09 PM   
Pyrmidon


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Status: offline 		I have been a Dominant & Master for a long time.   I even grew up in the one state in the U S where prostitution is legal and out in the open. I would never require a slave to prostitute herself and then take the procedures from her efforts for my benefit. It is morally disgusting, unethical and, as already noted several times, very illegal.  Ditch the scumbag!!     

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