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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No I wont ignore it.


We are studying Jude in Bible study.   My church is less about ritual and ceremony and more about good foundations.   I go with my neighbor- we have a 3rd neighbor now joining us. (the kid of)

Being mad at the world - the establishment does not cut it with me.

The topic is somewhat insulting.  Boarders on blasphemy.
...and if not- it takes alot to study the Bible.

So the author of the article just wants attention. (IMO)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No I wont ignore it.


We are studying Jude in Bible study.   My church is less about ritual and ceremony and more about good foundations.   I go with my neighbor- we have a 3rd neighbor now joining us. (the kid of)

Being mad at the world - the establishment does not cut it with me.

The topic is somewhat insulting.  Boarders on blasphemy.
...and if not- it takes alot to study the Bible.

So the author of the article just wants attention. (IMO)

Ok, since you insist ...

The first thing that I found "interesting" was the article's claim that "the scholar" (a divinity student, actually, who did this research for his degree), found that there is no historical evidence for crucifixion in the ancient world, even in Rome.

When I looked at some of his works, and comments, he seems to be claiming that it was "suspension" of some kind from "a pole".

Brian's thread seems to be an attempt to discredit Christianity by throwing doubt on the historical validity of the common interpretation of Jesus's suffering.

First, one divinity student's research isn't likely going to be definitive.  I think many scholars will argue that "crucifixion didn't exist in the Roman world" is likely not accurate.

Second, I'm not sure that "proving" that Jesus was suspended from "a pole" rather than "a cross" makes much differences in the message that Jesus was teaching.  The point was his sacrifice and suffering.

Tempest in a teapot.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

What the.....the...whatisfaces...those ones who're always door knocking...have been saying this for years. The earliest existing texts are in Ancient Greek, and the word they use can be taken as 'stake'. It's a debate of little importance, and it's far from new. IIRC, a neutral POV of the word shows stake as being the more likely, but it's not certain...and christians had the crucifix thing in their mind from an early date, so who knows. And really....who cares?

Even for the most devout...does it really make any difference? The argument does serve to underline how vague knowledge of a theoretical jesus is though.

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ORIGINAL: DCWoody

What the.....the...whatisfaces...those ones who're always door knocking...have been saying this for years. The earliest existing texts are in Ancient Greek, and the word they use can be taken as 'stake'. It's a debate of little importance, and it's far from new. IIRC, a neutral POV of the word shows stake as being the more likely, but it's not certain...and christians had the crucifix thing in their mind from an early date, so who knows. And really....who cares?

Even for the most devout...does it really make any difference? The argument does serve to underline how vague knowledge of a theoretical jesus is though.

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron


For those who don't believe no proof is good enough.
For those who believe no proof is necessary.
 
Just pick a side and stay on it. You really cannot disprove something that people believe by faith. The whole point of FAITH is that you believe when all evidence points to contrary.
 
I can't believe that people still waste time and money on this kind of crap.

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It's just that I think people need to get real and stop ignoring facts; like they can't find anything out there, that should mean something.

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FUCK NO!


This is gonna be another 50 pages about god.

What the fuck is WRONG with people?

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ORIGINAL: Brain

It's just that I think people need to get real and stop ignoring facts; like they can't find anything out there, that should mean something.
Bill

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ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149

I'm heading out to enjoy the day before you post evidence that Lou Gehrig really died of aids.........and ruin my day.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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It's just that I think people need to get real and stop ignoring facts; like they can't find anything out there, that should mean something.

Give us just one incontrovertable fact that disproves the existence of a deity...you have claimed that science has just such proof, and yet despite my having asked you for said evidence you have failed to even attempt to provide it...you post links to atheists parroting your viewpoint...preaching to the converted..you want us to stop ignoring the facts...give us the facts.

Put up or shut up!!

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I did watch them when I got sound...and nothing in there disproves the existence of a deity. And I don't have to prove anything, for I have not claimed one way or the other..I don't know and am comfortable with that. You on the other hand repeatedly declare that God does not exist, you claim it is fact and that all that do not agree with you are stupid and misguided. As I expected you have no more proof of your religious beliefs than does any other zealot....you have faith, you are the only actual religious bigot on these boards and you constantly proclaim your creed...we get it, now like I said put up or shut up