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BUT…to me the care for the less fortunate and community programs such as medical care are not socialism…just virtues of a civilized society.

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"I personally have no issues with it, except that it doesn't work and tends to destroy an economy."

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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BUT…to me the care for the less fortunate and community programs such as medical care are not socialism…just virtues of a civilized society.

And to me, these things are the very core of socialism, its raison d'etre

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Ponder another way of looking at the concept of 'Socialism' at used in the USA.

Recently, Mr. Obama gave a speech to the nation from the Oval Office. It was largely about the state and confidence of BP and the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. When he was finished, a group of scholars studied his speech. They found, the wording, sentence structure, and speed of the speech, was equal to that of a 10th grade educational level. It was not surprising to this group of scholars, that members of Fox News, and across the spectrum of conservative talk radio, that people did not seem to understand the speech. It was not whether one 'agreed' or 'disagreed' with Mr. Obama. Nor whether they 'support' or 'not support' Mr. Obama. So, if most conservatives were not understanding the speech, given for a 10th level educational level, what level, below that, does the speech have to be aimed at, to be understood by conservatives?

Education, is a continous process. Each of us, may have understood this concept over the years. We go for additional learning, either for our profession, family, or ourselves. When we are learning, it can be a difficult concept, as we have to reorganized our brains to suceed at the task. When we are not learning, our brains start to turn previous chemical memories for new ones. In this manner, it could be argued that most conservatives (but not all), have stopped their formal education in life, and believe they have learned, 'all that is needed'. So, over time, one's educational level, begins to slip. This could be the reason why many conservatives did not understand the President's speech. Its not that they don't like him or disagree; just don't understand the concepts spoken about. So, because they didn't understand, they disagree out of ignorance, not out of principle or wisdom.

Albert Einstein put it best "I don't know everything, but I do know how to find the information". In a modern era, a person that doesn't know the correct defination of 'Socialism' is an idiot. Given all the means (computers, Ipod/Droids, Libraries, etc), by which information can be studied, it is the responsibility of the person to know and understand what is being talked about. The use of crying 'Socialism' by a person, and then using the concept/word incorrectly should not be cheered on/at, but slapped up-side the head and told to study the concept. Maybe even provide a means for the person to study the information.

If Socialism doesn't work, as some have stated. Why is it, this process seems to work for police organizations throughout the USA? And fire fighting units? Or dare I say it, the US Military? Socialism has its uses, but strict responsibility of power is exercised in each of those groups. Yes, there are 'screw ups' from time to time. But on norm, police officers follow the laws, rules, and conduct that we, the citizenry have come to expect. One might argue a good example of Socialism at work, but without strict responsiblity, and accountability would be none other then the Grand Old Party!

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BUT…to me the care for the less fortunate and community programs such as medical care are not socialism…just virtues of a civilized society.

Butch

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Ponder another way of looking at the concept of 'Socialism' at used in the USA.

Recently, Mr. Obama gave a speech to the nation from the Oval Office. It was largely about the state and confidence of BP and the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. When he was finished, a group of scholars studied his speech. They found, the wording, sentence structure, and speed of the speech, was equal to that of a 10th grade educational level. It was not surprising to this group of scholars, that members of Fox News, and across the spectrum of conservative talk radio, that people did not seem to understand the speech. It was not whether one 'agreed' or 'disagreed' with Mr. Obama. Nor whether they 'support' or 'not support' Mr. Obama. So, if most conservatives were not understanding the speech, given for a 10th level educational level, what level, below that, does the speech have to be aimed at, to be understood by conservatives?

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BUT…to me the care for the less fortunate and community programs such as medical care are not socialism…just virtues of a civilized society.

Butch

Well.....this really is what the discussion boils down to......'care for the less fortunate' is the essence of Socialism. And they too would argue that it is the sign of a civilised society.

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Well.....this really is what the discussion boils down to......'care for the less fortunate' is the essence of Socialism.

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Ponder another way of looking at the concept of 'Socialism' at used in the USA.

Recently, Mr. Obama gave a speech to the nation from the Oval Office. It was largely about the state and confidence of BP and the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. When he was finished, a group of scholars studied his speech. They found, the wording, sentence structure, and speed of the speech, was equal to that of a 10th grade educational level. It was not surprising to this group of scholars, that members of Fox News, and across the spectrum of conservative talk radio, that people did not seem to understand the speech. It was not whether one 'agreed' or 'disagreed' with Mr. Obama. Nor whether they 'support' or 'not support' Mr. Obama. So, if most conservatives were not understanding the speech, given for a 10th level educational level, what level, below that, does the speech have to be aimed at, to be understood by conservatives?

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Exactly....you made my point. Ironically, so did willbeur.

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Well.....this really is what the discussion boils down to......'care for the less fortunate' is the essence of Socialism.

Talk about being confused about what socialism is!

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Well.....this really is what the discussion boils down to......'care for the less fortunate' is the essence of Socialism.

Talk about being confused about what socialism is!

NG has it right, it is yourself that hasnt a clue.

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But she's also a complete cunt, so we need to deduct a couple points for that [;)]

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History (as in real history, not the books they feed liberal tripe to our kids with) has supported McCarthy

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"I personally have no issues with it, except that it doesn't work and tends to destroy an economy."

While Conservativeness has it's share of Ultra Right Nut Jobs (Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul ) there is still such a thing as the Moderate Economic Conservative Blue Collar Base.

The Democrats on the other hand ran the last of their moderate blue dog elements out of the party when they ran Zell Miller and Joseph Lieberman out of the party. Lieberman and Miller's ouster marked the end of the party of FDR and the beginning of the American Communist Party that older democrats are fleeing in droves. Now that the true left wing extremist agenda of the American Liberal Progressive movement is finally exposed for what it is...Marxist Communism.

The problem with Communism being...It's a Utopian Ponzi Scheme. It only works until you eat all the rich job producers at the top of the pyramid and then everybody starves, because theirs no one left to provide capitol for the welfare piggies at the trough, at the bottom of the pyramid anymore.

Most American Liberal/Communists will tell you that Communism hasn't worked yet because it hasn't been tried in the right places. (Like America.) The horrors of the Gulag or the Cambodian Killing Fields only happened because it was inferior Russian or Asian Communists trying to pull off a Communist State.

Communism can only work if theres sympathy for the poor starving worker or farmer. Lenin and Che didn't have much problem with this, because the Average worker they were trying to convert to the Marxist Ideal...Was Starving.

It's easy to rabble rouse a crowd to revolution for the truly down trodden...It's not so easy to convince the proletariat revolution is necessary if the downtrodden welfare piggies your trying to save have $300.00 text messaging bills and won't quit squatting and plopping children they could afford in no other society on the planet, in the middle of their welfare Island Project Stair well.

I'm all for welfare and a safety net for the poor...Provided of course that welfare recipients, male and female agree to be permanently sterilized. Hell I'm for offering 18 year olds a free $1200.00 Green Car at High School Graduation. If they will agree to be sterilized because the $12000 would be much less than paying for their bastard welfare babies in the long run.

Of course if we sterilized the welfare skanks...It would put a serious crimp in Democratic Voter Registration in about 18 years. That is if they haven't said "Aw what the hell. It's 2028. Why try to hide it anymore?" And have renamed the party...The American Communist Democratic Socialist Workers Party and replaced the Mule with the Hammer and Sickle.

The Oklahoma born Humorist Will Rodgers once said words to the effect that..."America is the only country in the world, where people arrive at the poor house in an automobile."

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The Democrats on the other hand ran the last of their moderate blue dog elements out of the party when they ran Zell Miller and Joseph Lieberman out of the party. Lieberman and Miller's ouster marked the end of the party of FDR and the beginning of the American Communist Party that older democrats are fleeing in droves. Now that the true left wing extremist agenda of the American Liberal Progressive movement is finally exposed for what it is...Marxist Communism.