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AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Did Jesus die in vain ? (6/26/2010 4:42:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Quiet, you seem to miss the irony of the basic belief structure of the human animal. By using Christ, Allah or whatever deity they choose to justify murder, war, genocide they prove over and over again what Christ did not want done.
Okay I am gunna take this piece by piece because you have done EXACTLY what you have claimed they did, you took YOUR understanding of faith based wars are over and made it the reason you think God should waste the rest of us, so for those of us NOT involved in Holy Wars (Like myself) why should we be wiped out according to your view of Faith? Perhaps you believe you will be one of the ones saved. I don't know, the point being you is your God isn't My God, cause my Faith tells me "GOD" doesn't hate me, and that he give me Free Will for a reason.
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Can you honestly believe that the spirit of Christ is in an act of war? Perhaps the ethnic cleansing that has been carried out was christian in nature? Not to mention the fact that the bible tells us to be good stewards of the land, have we done that?
That would imply that I believe in Christ, I don't. I believe in GOD, and I believe in a GOD that is not part of an Old or New Testament. I think Christ is a Retelling of the Egyptian Story of Horus, I also think this story is responible for MANY of the views of Dogma we have in it's many forms. You can see what you want in the Bible, but it has had too many authors for my liking, and in reality with what King James did when he Gutted the Bible there is little telling what the Bible was supposed to include as quite a bit was addesd as well as taken out.
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
It is written that God will save the righteous, as he did for Lot and his family and Noah. Who is to say that should he make the decision to eliminate those people who have forgotten the true meaning of the Christian faith, he would choose to also eliminate those who are actually Christians and believers in every sense of the word?
Okay so here is where people like you drive me NUTS, it tells me that you most likely didn't actually read the bible cause if you did then you would know that AFTER God Saved Lot from Sodom, God was totally okay with his daughters getting him drunk and then bearing his children, so by your example Sodom was wicked and destroyed and his wife turned back and was turned to salt cause she disobeyed, but fucking your Dad is okay.
Noah is a wonderful story and I love it when it's brought up cause people know the Happy Boat Story, they don't read the rest of it where he is drunk all the the time and wandering around naked and basically crazy, see God spoke to Noah after ward and informed him that what he did was a little over the top (Meaning God himself said he was Falable) and that he would never do something that drastic to man again.
Don't take my word for it go read it.
Actually what you learn about God is that what you THINK doesn't matter to him at all, we apparently are always pissing him off no matter what we do. What we learn about Jesus in the New Testament is that he is kinda an angry guy, prone to fits of rage and yelling at things and demanding that fig trees be put to death for not having fruit for him. He's Kinda Creepy when you read the WHOLE bible and I mean BY YOURSELF not being presented by the Pastor or Priest or Whatever, read it yourself and what you don't understand, cause there will be a LOT of it. Ask a HISTORIAN, not a religious leader because they will put a Faith spin on it where a Historian will tell you what that sentence actually means when said the way it was said. Most of the Holy Holy is Smoke blown directly in your ass presenting things the way the religious leader wants it heard.
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Would you not agree that humans as a group have failed miserably at taking care of the world that gives us life? How many wars have been fought in the name of God? Did not President Bush quote the bible for his own purposes in the days leading up to the two wars we are now involved in?
I agree that there is a lot of things I don't like going on on this planet right now. I think it is not as bad as the Doom and Gloomers say, See the Earth Scientifically is a Giant Fucking Filter. It is designed to clean itself, no matter what we do to it, it will clean itself. Now in doing so it may make living on it's surface not so great for us Humans, but the earth itself will always clean itself up. It has for MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS of years see I really don't know how old the earth is and the Proof that is avilable by science is flawed proof because it uses a redundant system to determine the age of things. It determins the age of things based solely on where they were found and only have a basis of a few hundred years to determin the time line of things in the THOUSANDS of years old catagory. I think the world is older than the religious nuts think (6 thousand my ass) but I do not know that science is completely right about it being Billions of years old.
How many wars? Well a whole Shit Load, were started by religious nuts, using faith as a reason. But you need a reason to hate someone and faith is as good a reason as any.
Bush quotes a bible and that is a Holy War to you? This is the whack job stuff I was talking about.
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
When the pros and cons are weighed, Humanity cannot be called a success. We have squandered the planet on which we live, we are concerned for ourselves before others and we have a nasty habit of using whatever off the wall theory to justify actions which are clearly non Christian, or Muslim for that matter. If humanity were to turn a 180 degree change of philosophy and actually start living by the standards set down in the bible or even basic ethics, we may be something worth saving. As it is, each generation adds to the mess we have created and leaves it for the following generations to clean up.
All the above is part of Free Will, something that faith and ethics both agree that we have for a reason. If your view is that God does not want these things to happen then I ask you why we keep getting the ability to do so? I think your view of the planet is MUCH worse than mine, sure it isn't pretty but all things considered many nations have the ability to commit genocide and have yet to do so, some have they're douches, but mass global genicide is POSSIBLE, yet has not been done..... YET. By your views we are already damned, no good to address, why bother. You have already signed everyones death warrant, why bother right?.... And that is what scares me more than any of the other things you stated, your lack of faith in ManKind is what I think the biggest threat to humanity is.
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Humanity is on its own road to self destruction, God is just letting it happen.
For someone who thinks so lowly of the Human Species I would believe that it is YOU who is letting it happen not God, he gave us all the ability to think for ourselves and to make changes where we can, you have just given up.
Like I said, Kevin Spacey, Se7en.
QSM
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