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Autism - 6/26/2010 11:07:17 AM   
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To start I'll say I got a hell of alot of answers last night, but I come here for more diverse perspective.

The kid next door (22) is a high school grad, going to a college and I find he has excellent diction, command of the language and some general smarts, pretty much like alot of 22 year olds. (if they're lucky anyway) Also like many of his age he lives with Mom, which I consider more a sign of the times these days, not so much a sign of laziness or anything because it is hard to find one's way in life today even for the highly skilled. Indeed I am watching my earning power eveporate every day.

The kid is one of two that my hillbilies and I have sort of taken under our wing so to speak and we are teaching them the finer points of life. He is receptive and seems to retain the information for the most part. He also seems interested and tends to spend alot of time here. He is well mannered, doesn't do hard drugs nor drink to excess. Here he learns business both dirty and clean, bricklaying, mechanics and electronics on top of a bit of psychology. He was a bit shy at first but now participates and asks questions. Of course I expect that from anyone, because we are also expert hucksters and have plenty of nights that would make for a good TV show.

So last might next door around the firepit I had a very interesting discussion with his Mom. It was late and the kid either got drank under the table or snuck off with my sinister for a while (they like each other). So I find out the kid's IQ is about 130, which knowing him I find plausible at least, but then that he is autistic.

Talk about having misconceptions about something. As his Mother explained it more fully to me, about there are 23 levels or something and the kid is the 24th level, and that she actually has been diagnosed with Aspegers(sp). From what she said my misconceptions largely evaporated, as I really thought it was a type of learning disability that would leave one behind mentally. She went on to point out that a few noted scientists/inventors were suspected to have the condition. For some, in their time the condition had not been identified, but in their biographies and whatever the signs are there. Maybe they just didn't have a name for it yet.

I find it difficult to reiterate her explaination really, but it seems to boil down to that some don't make certain connections in the brain and it has alot more to do with the inerpersonal than the intellectual aspects of one's personality. It has nothing to do with ADD, ADHD or anything, like being a moron, an inbecile or anything of the sort (clinical definitions here people). In other words it is largely unrelated to general intelligence, but more how the information is processed by the brain.

I am normally quite verbose but I sat there and listen as I became quite interested in what she had to say. I have to admit that some of the examoples she gave fit my family and I, because we are different and always have been. We mostly have the ability to detach ourselves emotionally from a situation for example, and I consider that an asset, not a liability. However from what I gather, if the autism is severe it may hinder the learning process because one so afflicted is so detached that they will not seem to actively participate.

Now I am perfectly capable of searching the internet and getting all the clinical information that'll take too long to read and give me eyestrain. Why am I here ? I want input from people, those with autistic relatives or whatever, who can give me some personal "fer examples". She told me that brain scans can give indications, I think in the inactivity of a certasin part of the brain or something like that. Well I don't have a Ronco home brain scanner kit and would like to know more about people so afflicted. I am also wondering if, in the higher functioning among those so "afflicted", is it an affliction at all ? Do I perhaps fall into that category ? If I am actually deemed so afflicted, don't worry I won't take it personally, to me it is just a word. (is that a sign ? )

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 11:32:53 AM   
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There is a lot of misinformation in what you were told.  There are six levels on the autism spectrum, not 23 or 24, but personally I think that term (level) is misleading.  It makes more sense to me to say there are six different types.  The most well-known types are autism and aspergers. 

Due to your description of the young man as having excellent diction and command of the language (and not just echoing what others are saying), it sounds like he would be aspergers (like the mom said she is) and not autism.  Unless you meant to say that "he" was diagnosed with aspergers and not "she".  People with aspergers (and you can look in Health & Safety where there have been discussions on this) generally have issues with social interaction (such as inability to comprehend or recognize the emotions of others, lack of social boundaries, etc. - think of the main female character in the TV show "Bones", especially in the early seasons) where people with autism generally have more issues with being routine-bound (think of the Dustin Hoffman character in the movie "Rainman"). 

Intelligence is separate from the autism spectrum diagnosis.  Some people on the spectrum will have a lower IQ and some will not.

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 12:37:32 PM   
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One of my sons is autistic (PDD/NOS ~ Pervasive Developmental Disorder/Not Otherwise Specified ~ which means he doesn't fit into any of the other autistic spectrum disorders).

He has difficulty processing information, particularly social cues and such. He has no concept of an appropriate or inappropriate time for something, has a VERY hard time processing his emotions and dealing with criticism of even the mildest sort. He is barely literate but has an amazing memory (When he was in grade 1 we thought he could read because we would read him a story and then he would "read" it back to us....all from memory), he knows more about volcanoes and dinosaurs (his two obsessions...and sometimes they do seem like obsessive fixations) than anybody has a right to know (My knowledge of those fields is also quite extensive now, from looking stuff up for him online).

He is also VERY stuck in his routine, to the point where it is pointless to try change things...Lunchtime in his elementry school was 11 AM, so to this day that is when lunchtime is...if its not 11, its not lunch (it could be called a snack, but not lunch, and he gets very upset if he misses his lunch), Saturday night is hot dogs & fries night, and NOTHING must interfere with that, if for some reason he can't have his hotdogs on a Saturday, he has to make up for the missed hotdogs the next Saturday. When we go to the pool, he wants to play the exact games he and I played at the pool when he was 6 (he is 16....its really hard to toss him around like I used to).

He is a very easy child in many ways because he follows rules, religiously, he takes himself to bed at his bedtime and gets quit upset if something messes with that. When things are not "right" as he sees it he can get into such an emotional mess that he is reduced to tears, which embarrasses him but he cannot control it.

And he talks...talks and talks and talks...the last weekend he was here I hadn't seen him for 3 weeks and he talked from the time he arrived, 5:30 til 9:00 without stopping...questions and anecdotes and bits of volcano trivia all mixed up in an unending stream (much of it repeated many times, both on that visit and from previous visits)...that is one of the social cues he just doesn't get...when to shutup, he just blurts out whatever he is thinking of leaping from topic to topic with no segues whatsoever.

Another aspect is a difficulty transferring something he learns from the location where he learned it to other situations. Luckily this aspect has lessened a lot, but when he was young he had real problems with it (as an example he was potty trained easily at home, but was not when he went to school...we had to teach him all over again at the preschool, and again when he went to kindergarten).

That's pretty much it as far as day-to-day things, if you have any questions, feel free to ask here on the thread and I will do my best to answer them.


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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 2:10:20 PM   
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Here is something that I came across just a couple days ago. I think you will find it to be a real eye opener and quite amazing. It's the story of a young lady with a fairly severe case of autism, yet she has managed to astound and stump the so-called experts.

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 2:41:20 PM   
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I am still digesting the responses so I can't respond fully. But I noiw wonder if this just one of those things that can be sorted as a cognitive disability. I am examining myself in that respect, because as I have said I can't read or write. I mean I have a decent command of the language but I can't read almost anyone's handwriting. I can type, but my penmanship makes that of an MD look exlemplary. And as we know it seems doctors and pharmacists almost seem to have their own language. But I am much worse than that. That's actually the reason I don't have a Paypal account. When they show the picture of a string of letters and numbers to ensure a bot it not filling out the form, I usually fail, and it just got too frustrating.

Being stuck on a routine, I'll have to think about that. While I don't really care if dinner is at seven or midnight, there are a few things. First of all I quit working Saturday and now almost refuse to do anything gainful on Saturday, considering it my day. Does that fit or not ?

Is autism more of a societal judgement ? If one is very rich, their quirks are called eccentric. What about the fact that I could look anyone in the eye and blow theri head off ? I mean anyone, and then call my possee to get a razor knife to get enough carpet in which to roll the carcass for disposal. That means my family as well. I tell you I don't want to do it, but I have admitted to being a total sociopath, and no law constrains me except for what I accept, which is the Constitution and pretty much nothing else. Is that a sign ? I do not know quite how to explain my attitude. I do not want to hurt anyone ever, ever again that is. But I really have nothing stopping me. Others seem to.

Because of this I used to be a very dangerous Man, and become that again if given sufficient reason. With sufficient reason I would actually stop short of using a nuclear weapon to kill one person, but that's about it. I know others are not like this, and I wonder if this is a form of the same thing. Note that now I wouldn't hurt anyone without extreme provocation, but I do posess the ability and will to do so.

When I was not so well tempered I got into a shitload of trouble. The remorse didn't hit me for about twenty years. So have I grown into something or out of it ?

So in effect maybe I am questioning my own sanity. Or is it possible that I was just meant to be born in a different, harsher time ? Should have I been in danger, forced to slay dragons or whatever ? Was that my time ? To smite the enemy and then settle down to a nice supper and not lose a moment's sleep over it ?

I mean we, not just I, but most of my family is the same way. The olman died and I watched as they hauled his carcass outta here. Drove his car until the plates ran out - almost. Now he has a warrant for wrongful entrustment and I am thinking about if they come for him I'm thinking of bringing his bag of ashes to the door and presenting them to the process server or officer as a joke. So many would find that sick, but not me.

How I got this way is anyone's guess. I can give some details but that will never tell the whole story.

Enough for now, I'll be back later.

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 2:44:26 PM   
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I read your post- and do not know what you are asking.

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 2:50:56 PM   
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No Termy, what you describe is not indicative of autism to me, however I am not a trained psych, I only have 16 years experience dealing with it.

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 3:27:18 PM   
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I read your post- and do not know what you are asking.


neither do I and I work with 50+ different people with autism

one of many aspects I learned is that many of the ones I work with adore travelling by train...today I had another ones of those train rides....buying a ticket just for the sake of him having his joy travelling by train one way and back again...another one which I encoutered on placement was that many kids with autism there started to walk on their tip toes (whatever it is called) on the front part of the foot...the ones I work with for income don't do that ... which is why it felt even more strange that this was so common in that other setting...

as arpig already said...yep, they certainly like their routines...at some places it gets a lil bit annoying when they switch off the lights and electricity everywhere and you have to switch them all on again and yes...some of them can throw major temper tantrums if you don't stick to their routine...

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 3:33:08 PM   
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Pea,  then did you see then train vid with Czechoslovakian glass?

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 3:54:21 PM   
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'autism' is a term as broad and impossible to define as 'kink'.

if you do feel inclined to go looking for info I'd recommend an archived site called 'Ooops... Wrong Planet Syndrome'. I've not been there for a while but I used to refer to it plenty when I was teaching kids on the spectrum as it never failed to remind me that this is all about the people, not the label.



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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 4:57:42 PM   
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Pea,  then did you see then train vid with Czechoslovakian glass?


Sorry, I don't get you now...

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 5:19:10 PM   
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Pea,  then did you see then train vid with Czechoslovakian glass?


Sorry, I don't get you now...


When I worked in the group home- I seen that vid a few hundred times.  One of the guys loved train vids.   I would try to get some new ones- but he preferred the same one- where that train had the special glass. lol

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 5:21:09 PM   
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Yeah, my kid is like that as well...he watches Dante's Peak at least once a week if not more often.

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 5:42:46 PM   
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Pea,  then did you see then train vid with Czechoslovakian glass?


Sorry, I don't get you now...


When I worked in the group home- I seen that vid a few hundred times.  One of the guys loved train vids.   I would try to get some new ones- but he preferred the same one- where that train had the special glass. lol



Well, they don't have train on videos where I work but yes, they can be quite patient or should I say passionate...in watching their stuff over and over again...

two years ago we had a power failure whilst I was at work and it was obvious that the guy with autism could not relate to that...why can't he watch his soaps now and kept asking me to fix it...but well, he had to wait until the power was back in our area...I considered myself lucky that he was a very calm person, so there was no threat of a temper tantrum

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 6:35:12 PM   
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Many have a downer view on autism as being a really bad thing, but as others have mentioned, autism is a spectrum,and I will add, of that spectrum most of us are on it, we all possess traits which to a greater or lesser extent reside within the ASD analysis. I know what traits I have are on the ASD spectrum, because I have received a diagnosis as such, but rather than it being disabling, I have found it to be enabling after 42 years of education aimed at the supposed neuro typical in society. I have discovered my thoughts are not wrong, but simply a different way of looking  at things in life, I now feel free to question that which I don't understand without feeling I am wrong in asking, my diagnosis has given me a freedom I never knew before. Not that an ASD diagnosis can be used as a reason to misbehave, but with me the diagnosis transpires purely as freedom, freedom to think and by asking, arrive at my own conclusions which are based on logic and research, which to many, is an acceptable way of understanding that which we are told.

But given what I know now about the condition,due to much research, even on these forums, those that post regularly and in depth I have my suspicions if they are very much the same as myself. To them I wish the wholest and best of good faith in their life, because I know life as it transpires to many might not feel like the life they should be living.To them I will pass on, you are not wrong or odd, you simply in need of more knowledge to arrive at a conclusion and often is the case those that require more information and therefore in depth analysis, tend to be the best in their field of expertise, a situation which is very common with ASD people.

But from my level of ASD, where I suffer is communication, the day to day stuff, how I come across to others and how they come across to me as it is common, the unwriten and unsaid is usually the problem, those things called body signals and facial expressions I am lost with, so I seek the course in life, or at least people who are perceptive enough to understand not everyone is communicative as they themselves might be, for it takes all sorts to make a world.

As per my diagnosis, I possess a high intelligence level which I see as worthless, as what is the point if a person does not know how to use that intelligence or is not able to express themselves in normal day to day life.

But as I see one thing with diagnosi of things, eventually those trained will diagnose us all and fit us into yet more little boxes with labels on so they can generalise or be more precise until the point comes where we will all be fragmented  into so many seperate groups we may as well be just different humans as we are already. Or maybe those skilled in finding the odd balls in society might educate the society at large that the odd balls are just different but of use to society as any other person.






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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 8:57:13 PM   
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Then when does it become debilitating ? I've apparently used my disorder to win argument, like at work. I never lose unlees actually factually incorrect. I have no official title, and I only work part time, but what I say goes. On the interpersonal level in stupid stuff everyone got on my side and I told them not to do it. I can hold my own. This is however intertwines with other things. I am in a superior position, but some took the intervention of the owner to realize it. But is this a form of this condition, that I can remove myself and deal with the situation logically a condition. What's more, need it be treated in any way ?

I know I am abnormal, I am just here to explore it :-)

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RE: Autism - 6/26/2010 10:42:14 PM   
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But from my level of ASD, where I suffer is communication, the day to day stuff, how I come across to others and how they come across to me as it is common, the unwriten and unsaid is usually the problem, those things called body signals and facial expressions I am lost with, so I seek the course in life, or at least people who are perceptive enough to understand not everyone is communicative as they themselves might be, for it takes all sorts to make a world.

As per my diagnosis, I possess a high intelligence level which I see as worthless, as what is the point if a person does not know how to use that intelligence or is not able to express themselves in normal day to day life.


Aneirin; not to seem as though I'm discounting anything you're relating here, but to me this is just an amazing thing to see you say. A couple of hours ago, while i was puttering about the house tidying up a bit, I found myself thinking back on some of the posts you've written lately, and reflecting once again - as I have so many times - that there is probably no other poster on this site who expresses themselves  in as utterly mesmerizing a manner as you. I absolutely love the way you use language. You're the only poster here who, whenever I see that you've posted on a thread, I'll click on it just for the pleasure of reading your words. I don't care what you're writing about, or even what you think about the topic - all that matters to me is the way you say what it is you have to say. I love almost everything you say, whether i agree with it or not.

I wonder how this reconciles with what you say about your difficulties with non-verbal communication? Have others mentioned anything to you along these lines? Do you suppose that the gift you have for verbal - or at least, written - communication is in some way a reaction to your perceived deficiencies in the non-verbal realm? I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on that, should you have any.


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RE: Autism - 6/27/2010 12:31:44 AM   
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Then when does it become debilitating ? I've apparently used my disorder to win argument, like at work. I never lose unlees actually factually incorrect. I have no official title, and I only work part time, but what I say goes. On the interpersonal level in stupid stuff everyone got on my side and I told them not to do it. I can hold my own. This is however intertwines with other things. I am in a superior position, but some took the intervention of the owner to realize it. But is this a form of this condition, that I can remove myself and deal with the situation logically a condition. What's more, need it be treated in any way ?

I know I am abnormal, I am just here to explore it :-)

T


I used to work in a group home years ago, and we had some autistics there...also my son was diagnosed with early infantile autism and it's been a long uphill battle these past 20 years.
 
When does it become debilitating?
--When someone has to do repetitive behaviors whenever they get upset and the whole world disappears...including the car that's coming straight at them.
--When someone won't eat unless food is prepared EXACTLY a certain way.  One time with us, it was over his cheese sandwitch, which was the only thing he would eat for about 2 months.  Grandma cut it once in triangles, and I always cut it into squares.  He decided if it wasn't in triangles, he wouldn't eat it.  If I tried to make another cheese sandwitch, he kept handing me the wrongly cut one...wanting me to reverse time and do it right the first time.  He wouldn't eat sometimes when I tried to get tough and thought that hunger would drive him into reasonable behavior...as his doctors told me it would.  When he looked emaciated I said to heck with everybody else's opinion and I did whatever was necessary.  If a cheese sandwitch had to be cut in triangles and served on the small blue plate, it was.  If broccoli always had to be served raw, and dipped in ranch dressing so that it looked like snow topped little trees...so be it. 
--Too many people around my son overloads him and I have to reduce the stimulation either on making him focus on something he covets...right now it's either a Hershey's Symphony chocolate bar or a pack of Yugioh cards.  Before I learned to set his focus, we had to abandon our grocery cart and leave the store, and I learned to do shopping around 2 a.m. when there were few people out and about.
--When someone has no internal manager.  I can't remember what his shrink called it.  Basically, if something leaves his focus, it ceases to exist.  If he comes in the door in the winter time, everything comes off and is dropped and I can find him through following this "trail of diarrhea" as I call it.  If I get sick with the flu, everything around him becomes a midden pile.  I have to go behind him and tell him that the coat needs to be on a hanger, the candy bar wrapper needs to go into the trashcan, dirty dishes need to go into the sink, yada yada yada.  (See why I'm not into micromanaging anyone, Termy?)  He's sweet and biddable, but it's been his responsibility to take out the garbage now for 6+ years and I still have to remind him.  If I don't watch him, he would joyfully go months without bathing (yes, this was indeed an experiment of mine one time), without changing his underwear until it was eating up his arse, the same tee shirt on for 5 days, and only recently have I been able to have him brush his teeth at least once per day without my having to send him back upstairs to make him do it.  Yet he's sweet, and passes for normal to people who don't know him well.
--It's debilitating to not be able to read people.  Zero, zip, zilch on social cues or being able to read body language, facial expression, or to even have a clue when someone was being sarcastic, getting angry, etc.
--Being extremely naieve and gullible, and unable to learn from past harsh lessons.  Doomed to repeat everything.
--Unable to stop eating something he likes.  I have to set limits every time, or he would eat the entire half gallon of icecream, or cookies or candy or cake.  If he lived by himself (and his shrink said if anything happened to me, he would have to live in a group home if a relative wouldn't take him) his entire check would be spent in one week on an orgasm of food and toys.
 
There are good things about this...he has a phenomenal memory.  Since we don't do cable tv or anything like that, I buy tapes and DVDs instead...and consequently over the years we have amassed thousands.  I won't by any new used ones without my son present, because he can tell me if we have it, and if it's on VHS or DVD, if it got moldy, or if we rented it and liked it or hated it.  When something interests him, he has an endless patience for what I'd find very tedious.  I'm very careful to keep him from getting too wound up, as it makes him zone out into his own little world, and that's counterproductive because I want him to get used to enjoying and coping with mine.
 
When he was little, he went through all that stuff of walking on tiptoes, stopped talking, then telegraphic speech and echolalia, etc.  I took him to speech therapists first to get him talking again...thank goodness he was enraptured by bubbles, and then to help him with "language processing."  He had early intervention, special ed., and I attended a lot of classes with him and had homework to do with him (trainings) once I got home.  For reasons I'll get into in a moment, we started homeschooling when he was in 3rd grade...and after I had his head in the right place after about six months, he started blossoming for me.  A major part of his high school homeschooling has been...learning about people, how to read them, situations, relationships.  Yes, I use movies and target old tv shows, and we watch them together and talk about them, usually at least 4 hours to 8 hours per day.  He has learned so much, and I couldn't resist buying a season of Monk...and we watch it together and I start laughing and telling him..."that was sooooooo YOU, lol."  This is the only medium that helped him understand social situations, repercussions of behavior, etc.
 
--When is autism debilitating; my last one.  When others hurt you for being different, so much so that all the joy disappears out of life and you're only in third grade...and come home and tell your mother that you want to die.  When she asks why...you say because you don't deserve to live, and mean it with every breath that's in your little body.
 
That no child left behind cr*p meant that my son was dumped into a normal classroom with no safety net, and was physically and verbally abused EVERY SINGLE DAY, and no, the school did nothing to stop it.  His autism, and how the other children reacted to his being different, almost killed him. 
 
My aunt bombarded us with info on how blessed and wonderful autism is, chock full of geniuses, and told everyone in the extended family that I was the problem.  I was holding my son back from...greatness. 
 
Disclaimer:  I am only talking from my own personal experiences and am not speaking about all autistics.
 

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RE: Autism - 6/27/2010 12:33:29 AM   
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Ooo, that's nice what you have said, but to answer what you have asked, I find I have no problem with communication in the written form, like here for example and I will even go as far as to say since I have had access to the internet and forums, these past five years, I have used forums to improve my communication, and understand that I can communicate with others at least in this form.

You may have noticed from time to time I use some of the more picturesque words in what I write, I have explored this via an expert in the field and the conclusion is I know these words, I have picked them up somewhere at some time and stored them away and they only come out when I write. It is very much a case of when writing the word will come to the front of my mind and I will think, oo, that fits, but hang on, wtf is it's meaning and so off I go seeking it's meaning on the various online dictionaries only to find the word I am intending to use does indeed fit with what I am saying.

But of written communication, I do struggle with the day to day paperwork that plops into my mail box, I struggle in understanding what is written as once I have deciphered the legalise jargon and sort of got the gist of what is being said, I start picking at the grammar and here often the problem is I am noticing the correct use of grammar is a dying art as with the punctuation inserted, what I have just deciphered often makes little sense to me. I am thinking perhaps the use of the English language in the written form is suffering in these days of internet communication as it seems not many bother with the correct use of language, or is it, it has not been taught properly. The same is with spelling, I notice a wrong spelling and to me what I have just read basically turns to shit. But I have noticed and my college tutors have noticed to their sometimes annoyance I can instantly pick out a wrong spelling in a text, it is like it jumps out at me as I scan over the writing. But I now am coming to the understanding how something is spelled, might well have something to do with which spell checker the person used on their word processor, as there is a difference between American-English and English-English.

Now verbal communication, I find if a person knows me well, I can communicate reasonably well with them, but perhaps it is that they have become used to me and the way I speak ,( haha, and think ), but people not known to me I have found I lose in conversation, or they lose me, the reason for this is I think slowly, I ponder words and how they are said and damn it, if a person has an accent I get lost in the  poetry of the speech, it becames an art, not a method of communication. I start what I am seemingly good at, analysing.

But of day to day speech I find I take the literal interpretation of what is being said, or written, I fail in understanding the written between the lines type of communication and often when it has been indicated to me that this speech is in use, I get annoyed and say to the person then why not say what you mean, if it ,means being blunt and to the point, be blunt as I will know where I stand then.

Ok, the unsaid communication that goes on within face to face verbal communication, that stuff with the eyes and and facial expression is a complete puzzle to me, here I am lost, unless like I have mentioned before I know a person well or they know me, for they then articulate in another way I can understand. Often it is when out with my friends it is indicated to me that such and such female is coming on to me, my answer is, who, what were, for I have not noticed.( I tend to notice how many of a certain hair colour are present and of them what type of body shapes).

My ex wife, the one who was the second person to suggest to me I was perhaps aspergic based upon others she had known in the past used to get pretty damned pissed at me for flirting with other women, except it was not flirting to me, I was simply engaged in good conversation as far as I was aware, as obviously I was missing other stuff that was going on that others noticed. My defence was I am not flirting, I am just boring someone shitless with the inane crap my ex had no time for, someone was listening to me and responding to the conversation and to me that was good, as I missed in depth conversation  with whom I was married to and many of those I worked with.

(As chance would have it, even this past Thursday evening I was told by my college friends the woman I was having an in depth conversation with was not a woman, for they were a known and obvious transvestite and why could I not see this, I just said beer goggles I suppose, but if the person was a transvestite, it was a very good one and of course there was the conversation I seem to seek.)

Eye to eye communication I am uncomfortable with, why, well I find that overpowering and I do not meet eyes with many I don't know, or sometimes it is reported when I do meet eyes, it is unnerving to the person, as I appear to be seeing straight through them, as if my eyes were focused on the back of their head and I was staring through the person before me. That stare has been called offensive before, so in response I do the opposite as I seem to live in a world of varying contrasts, a black and white world which changes with time. A case of if something is not black, it is white nothing in between, but even that changes so it can I suppose come across as I have no firm or fixed views on anything, which is true to an extent as I believe what we know changes with  time and there education.

Oh, and on forums I edit a lot, not because I have read ahead in a thread and see something that I have written might be considered unwise like I suspect with some, but because when reading through what I have written I notice a typo, it drives me nuts, and I must correct the error. I take care with spelling, but when I am tired or pissed, I tend to let that go as I seem not to be bothered.

And there is revealed a liking for alcohol, for it with me stops me analysing and gives mde a break away from myself, where often the id comes out to play, I can I am told be a hand full and a complete pain in the ass as there are no boundaries to me then, perhaps I can be the true self away from the front we put up to survive in society. To me being drunk is in a way liberating.


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RE: Autism - 6/27/2010 1:10:56 AM   
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My last post was a bit untidy, sorry a bunch of people showed up and I had to go and I didn't want to dump it.

"those that post regularly and in depth I have my suspicions if they are very much the same as myself."

I agree. We are all here because we are wierdos in some way when it comes to sex. Face it, there are people who are naturally submissive or dominant in life, but that does not extend to their sex life, at least not to the degree we see. We ALL differ from the normal people and I will say now that I find nothing wrong with that.

Now recently on these fora has come a thread about rhinotixin something or other. It describes picking you nose and eating the buggers. Yik of course, but now apparently it is clinically defined. Why ? I have no idea, but OK with it. More humor than substance. OK fine.

Sun shines, people forget. (Eminence Funk). So do I sometimes. But there is a pattern, things that some people will just not take seriously. Roaches gone, that is supposed to be for all of us but someone takes and throws them in a bowl, probably before work. People care, but I do not, just buy more stuff. I don't care about more things than I do. In fact I almost don't care about anyhing. Nothing really matters anymore to me.

I can't say this is apathy, because there are things I do care about, and have raised my firearm to in the last year or so. But you take my car to the store which is only three miles away to get beer, and come back with forty miles on the odometer, I just don't care. Well actually I do, but I don't consider it a need for immediate action. Especially if you put gas in it.

We all used my printer and it is time for toner, seventy bucks. Do I care ? Not much. You want to print, go to the mint and get seventy bucks. That's the way I handle things. Waste food and then we run short, be hungry. I don't allow running out of gas though, because it could entail a tow chrage, and I have paid too many of those lately.

If I got shot, non-fatally by mistake, the dude who did it might say "Sorry Man" or something like that. I would say "When I get out the hospital I'll teach you how to use a fucking gun". It might be taken as a threat, but it's not.

Do I fall down there ? Maybe, but I will still do it. Is that indicative of the condition ?

This is precisely where I am unsure.

T

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