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What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 6:55:15 AM   
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I understand that people of Mexican, Colombian, etc., heritage are considered Hispanics or Latinos.

How about people from Spanish speaking countries that are Old Word (Spain)?

How about people from Latin American countries that do not speak Spanish (Belize, Brazil)?

What is the purpose of the designation aside from federal anti-discrimination guidelines?


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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:33:49 AM   
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I asked a couple of girls I work with about this.  One of them came from Mexico with her family when she was a kid, the other is from Panama and she married a US soldier back in the late 70's.

Both of them said they prefer Latino.  If memory serves, the reasons were Hispanic was a label slapped on by the US government for census category back in the 70's ish.  They also said most from south and central americas prefer latino because of a need to separate them selves from Spain, who historically has had a holier than thou attitude towards them.

It was quite an interesting conversation and history lesson for me.  I was glad I had asked them, and glad they knew me well enough to know I was really interested and didn't have a hidden agenda.

Had I gotten more coffee in me before reading this, I might remember more-lol.  Hopefully someone can elaborate more and better than I did.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 8:29:12 AM   
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Hispanics have a Spanish lineage. Latinos not necessarily so. Latinos include the indigenous people of Central and South America such as the Inca of Peru who mow our lawns.

There is a racial component to all of this. Some dark skinned Latinos feel they have been oppressed by the minority of light skinned Hispanics who have dominated political and financial power. Hence the popularity of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and Lulu in Brazil (Spanish, Portuguese, it makes no difference)

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 8:45:22 AM   
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All I know is there is an F1 team based in Spain called Hispania Racing, and they go really slow.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 8:51:03 AM   
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Always puzzles me, that one.
Anywhere else in the world, a Mexican's a Mexican, a Venezualan's a Venezualan, and so weiter.
Maybe just calling them all Hispanics is easier for Americans than trying to keep track of which country somebody's family came from?

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 8:54:25 AM   
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I hate those terms, but I use one of them. My people have lived in California since before it was part of the United States. But they were nomadic and traveled bewteen an area close to Santa Monica, all the way down into central Baja. My heritage predominantly springs from Native American (America being the continent and not just the US), and Spaniard, though I do have a French blood in me as well. I do not consider myself Latino because when I was growing up Latino was more of a political statement on gaining power within the culture. If I must identify myself by race I say hispanic.

Why? Because I have run into more than a few Americans who have put their own labels on me based on color. As a pre-teen I could not possibly be a surfer because I am not blond. As a young wife I was inferior because I was not "a true American" (this said by my Polish Mother-in-law). I received scholarships based on artistic talent when I was young, but due to my color and where my family sprung from genetically it was assumed I won them due to race.

And until THIS last Census, my race has always been a checkmark on the box that separated us all by some sort of color definition. It has always pissed me off.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 10:28:06 AM   
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Wow Miss, I can not imagine.

I know the ladies I work with said they would prefer to be called Mexican or Panamanian, but they also realized people often do not know what country you come from so Latino did not offend them a bit.

So if I know the country, I will use it.  Otherwise, I go with Latino.

Unless I am cutting up with the 2 mentioned co-workers.  Then I call them things and they call me things that would get the natives here stirred up big time-lol.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 10:52:10 AM   
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Hispanics have a Spanish lineage. Latinos not necessarily so. Latinos include the indigenous people of Central and South America such as the Inca of Peru who mow our lawns.





This.

My oldest son is Colombian, is Latino, and is not predominantly Hispanic but most likely of Muisca descent.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 2:00:02 PM   
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Actually I prefer American. The only reason I sometimes use hispanic is because some form, or person with whom I must associate will judge me based on heritage, rather than my skills. My family has been in California for generations, and US citizens by birth. It is only heritage that divides us into a catagory that for me has always felt as if we were being limited.
Call me American. It is what I am.
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Wow Miss, I can not imagine.

I know the ladies I work with said they would prefer to be called Mexican or Panamanian, but they also realized people often do not know what country you come from so Latino did not offend them a bit.

So if I know the country, I will use it.  Otherwise, I go with Latino.

Unless I am cutting up with the 2 mentioned co-workers.  Then I call them things and they call me things that would get the natives here stirred up big time-lol.



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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 4:15:01 PM   
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Call me American. It is what I am.
That is what I always tell them (well except that I say Canadian). When they press me i tell them again "Canadian"...On my father's side I am of English (Loyalist) and French (relatively recent Swiss) descent (with a bit of Micmac thrown in a few generations back), and on my mother's side I am of French (Acadian) and English (Scottish I believe) descent....so I am pure Canadian

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 5:38:22 PM   
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Latino is a political (U.S.) term developed by the government to classify groups of people. The word"Latino" stems from Latin. - bastardized american english. Ancient Latin is the base of all Romance languages: Italian, French, Portuguese, Spanish, and yes - Romanian. "Hispanic" is a more recent American bastardized term that stems from the original name given to the "new world" by the Spaniards, which was Hispanola. (~ over the n).
Keep in mind that all of the Caribbean, nearly All of settled South America and almost HALF of what is now the U.S., was settled and under the inept control of Spain for nearly 300 years. All of the descendants of the indigenous people still harbor resentment toward Spain for what happened. It wasn't the Kings and Queens that did the damage - it was the vicious politicians and priests put in charge that committed the atrocities in their lust for power and gold. There are ongoing disputes between countries over their forms of government, world status, ethnic diversity. Spain Still looks down on all the 'other'
Spanish speakers as inferior because they adapted foreign words Long before Spain allowed the "PURE" language to be corrupted with modernity. It's an odd situation that won't be resolved any time soon. Here's another anomaly: in Europe, Spaniards are considered to be 'white' people. Here in the US? ..... those 'other' illegal aliens.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 6:02:50 PM   
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Latino is a political (U.S.) term developed by the government to classify groups of people. The word"Latino" stems from Latin. - bastardized american english.


Actually Hispanic is the political term. It was coined for the Census during the Nixon administration. The origin of "Latino" was in Latin American communities, so it is more aptly called "bastardized Spanish".

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 6:42:44 PM   
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Because Spanish-Americans hate being called Mexicans. Latino is pretty safe - it just refers to a language.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 6:44:55 PM   
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Um... "Ladino" DOES refer to a language.  It is to Sephardic Jews what Yiddish is to Ashkenazic Jews.  It's an obsolete Portuguese/Spanish hybrid, written with Hebrew characters.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:20:00 PM   
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I agree to a point.  I dislike being called a Mexican.  I was born here as were my parents, their parents, ect ect. I would have much preferred it if people had assumed and stated without hesitation that I am American.  I also detest being called Latino, since it creates an affinity with a movement that happened in the 70's when people were trying to assert cultural power.
I don't see many people claiming they are any other ethnicity if they are American.  The only reason I had to was because government FORMS required it.  Or because people I thought were friends needed some other clarification.

I hate labels.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:22:43 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Hispanics have a Spanish lineage. Latinos not necessarily so. Latinos include the indigenous people of Central and South America such as the Inca of Peru who mow our lawns.





This.

My oldest son is Colombian, is Latino, and is not predominantly Hispanic but most likely of Muisca descent.


You put a big exclamation point next to how little we know or care unfortunately about los indios. And then writers on this Board are amazed when someone like Chavez becomes president through a proper election.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:23:57 PM   
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I also hate all of these labels. African-Americans should also not be used. They are Americans.

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:46:07 PM   
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through a proper election.



LMAO!

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:51:18 PM   
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I don’t know the ins and outs …when to use one designation or another but to me it is all much to do about nothing.

If I am asked by a police officer to identify people commiting a crime and…One was white… another black…a third Hispanic a forth Asian how else could you tell them what you saw.

The white person could be from any number of nationalities so you can’t say American… the same with the black you wouldn’t say Jamaican or African because you don’t know so black is the best description.

The Hispanic could be from any number of countries as well… does it really make a difference if you say Latino or Hispanic… we have already seen on this thread different people wanting to be called different things but with the same ethnicity .

The Asian could be Korean or Japanese of Chinese so Asian is the only reasonable answer.

I as a white could care less if you call me white or Caucasian as long as you say it with respect.. That is all that should count. If an individual asked me to call them something different I would ask what their name was not nationality.

Butch

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RE: What the heck IS a Latino/Hispanic? - 6/27/2010 7:52:22 PM   
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Latino is a political (U.S.) term developed by the government to classify groups of people. The word"Latino" stems from Latin. - bastardized american english. Ancient Latin is the base of all Romance languages: Italian, French, Portuguese, Spanish, and yes - Romanian. "Hispanic" is a more recent American bastardized term that stems from the original name given to the "new world" by the Spaniards, which was Hispanola. (~ over the n).
Keep in mind that all of the Caribbean, nearly All of settled South America and almost HALF of what is now the U.S., was settled and under the inept control of Spain for nearly 300 years. All of the descendants of the indigenous people still harbor resentment toward Spain for what happened. It wasn't the Kings and Queens that did the damage - it was the vicious politicians and priests put in charge that committed the atrocities in their lust for power and gold. There are ongoing disputes between countries over their forms of government, world status, ethnic diversity. Spain Still looks down on all the 'other'
Spanish speakers as inferior because they adapted foreign words Long before Spain allowed the "PURE" language to be corrupted with modernity. It's an odd situation that won't be resolved any time soon. Here's another anomaly: in Europe, Spaniards are considered to be 'white' people. Here in the US? ..... those 'other' illegal aliens.



Actually, the Dominican Friars protested vehemently against the Spanish exploitation of los indios early in the 16th Century. Perhaps their most eloquent spokesman was Bartoleome de las Casas a plantation owner and colonial official who was so shocked by the Spanish brutality he became a priest and wrote a contemporaneous account of what he witnessed. Las Casas was a true human rights advocate for the indigenous people. He sailed with Columbus on the second or third voyage. Returned to Rome, became a priest, and spent most of the rest of his life ministering to los indios.

Here is a sample of what he wrote (in translation of course)


Bartolome De Las Casas - The Devastation of the Indies: A Brief Account (1542)


The Indies were discovered in the year one thousand four hundred and ninety two. In the following year a great many Spaniards went there with the intention of settling the land. Thus, forty-nine years have passed since the first settlers penetrated the land, the first so-claimed being the large and most happy isle called Hispaniola, which is six hundred leagues in circumference.

... And of all the infinite universe of humanity, these people are the most guileless, the most devoid of wickedness and duplicity, the most obedient and faithful to their native masters and to the Spanish Christians whom they serve. They are by nature the most humble, patient, and peaceable, holding no grudges, free from embroilments, neither excitable nor quarrelsome. These people are the most devoid of rancors, hatreds, or desire for vengeance of any people in the world. And because they are so weak and complaisant, they are less able to endure heavy labor and soon die of no matter what malady.

... Yet into this sheepfold, into this land of meek outcasts there came some Spaniards who immediately behaved like ravening wild beasts, wolves, tigers, or lions that had been starved for many days. And Spaniards have behaved in no other way during the past forty years, down to the present time, for they are still acting like ravening beasts, killing, terrorizing, afflicting, torturing, and destroying the native peoples, doing all this with the strangest and most varied new methods of cruelty, never seen or heard of before, and to such a degree that this Island of Hispaniola, once so populous (having a population that I estimated to be more than three millions), has now a population of barely two hundred persons.

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... We can estimate very surely and truthfully that in the forty years that have passed, with the infernal actions of the Christians, there have been unjustly slain more than twelve million men, women, and children. In truth, I believe without trying to deceive myself that the number of the slain is more like fifteen million.



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