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RE: Labels, a Useful Hindrance. - 7/5/2010 5:30:11 AM   
hardbodysub


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@Whiplashsmile4, great OP!
I also really like LadyPact's comments (excerpts below).

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... It's not the label itself that is the hindrance.  It's people thinking that you slap that label on yourself and that's good enough.  There's this myth that all it takes after that is to find somebody with the opposite label and everything runs in a pattern from there.  One takes charge, the other let's them be in charge and everything is hunky dorey.

Ummmmm, yeah.  It doesn't really work like that.  D/s or M/s or BDSM isn't the easy way to obtain or maintain a relationship.  It's not enough to say "I'm a Master so I want a slave" or "I'm a sub so I want a Dominant".  Sticking one label or another on yourself doesn't mean that potential partners are suddenly going to be throwing themselves at you any more than they were out in the vanilla world.  If anything, it just became a little bit more difficult because now you have even more areas of compatibility to examine because of wiitwd and you have to match in those areas, too.

Those labels aren't the get out of jail free card on building healthy relationships, honesty, and communication.  They are supposed to be the place you start.  If you want to call yourself a Dominant, a submissive, or anything else, you really need to figure out what that means to you before you even start dealing with somebody else. 


I would only add that sometimes the problem isn't figuring out what the label means to you, but what it means to your partners or potential partners in crime. That's where the label itself can become a hindrance, because not everyone sees it the same way.

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RE: Labels, a Useful Hindrance. - 7/5/2010 7:07:23 AM   
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I would only add that sometimes the problem isn't figuring out what the label means to you, but what it means to your partners or potential partners in crime. That's where the label itself can become a hindrance, because not everyone sees it the same way.

Some number of years ago I made a conscious choice, along with it came a title or label followed by prescribed standards and behaviors. I adjusted altered and changed many of my physical habits beliefs and aspirations and for the rest of my life I will remain the product of those changes.
I am a former female marine and hold the Marine Corps shaped and formed the courage tenacity and commitment with which I approach adversities difficulties and challenge. I am also an attorney and view the life experiences practicing law introduced as yet another facet of who I am but I am also a mother and the heartaches, prides and joys experienced brought distinctively different facets to the woman I am today so I don’t use the title slave to describe me but more to describe my interests and I make no attempt to define what slave means to me.

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RE: Labels, a Useful Hindrance. - 7/5/2010 8:48:29 AM   
Missokyst


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You have met my niece?

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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss
I find it disturbing to see the women who move from man to man without taking a breather, not really spending time with them, just falling into a "role" instead of actually being with a person. By the same token, I wonder about the men who are not wise enough to say no, wait a reasonable time (at least until the grief process is over or at least mostly finished), and jump in. It seems so desperate to me. In the past, I've wondered - what is up with these people? What's that girl got that I don't that I actually need some down time between relationships?



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RE: Labels, a Useful Hindrance. - 7/5/2010 8:59:05 AM   
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VERY Interesting topic. Yes, I am many things to many people, - worker, boss, partner, lover, teacher, student, top, sub, survivor, and a whole load more. Which is the real me? all of them. It depends on the time of day, the phases of the moon, the weather, the place, and most of all, who I am with. So I've never felt that anyone can be defined satisfactorily by a one word label. Labels can be handy shorthand for explaining a role, but "sub" for example is to me more of a verb than a noun.

That's why I've always struggled to understand people who insisted that "switches" were somehow lesser beings, impure forms of a Dom/Sub ideal., or people who were dishonest about who they "really" were. The obvious analogy to me is that plenty of people cope with being both Father and son (Mother/daughter) without any conflict .


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RE: Labels, a Useful Hindrance. - 7/5/2010 1:36:32 PM   
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quote:

My first reaction on reading this was, well, doesn't everybody want to honesty and communication label? I would like to think that they do, but that might be a little naive of Me.


I think his point is that rigid expectations (based upon BDSM roles and and labels) can steer people away from themselves, and instead of "being" they end up "trying" and maybe misfiring too.

If I am going to meet someone, the first step would be to see if a personal connection is there -- and then work off of that. I do think this is a better approach than trying to be "submissive" so as to attract a "dominant." (This is just one example that springs to my mind.)

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RE: Labels, a Useful Hindrance. - 7/5/2010 2:21:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pdv99

VERY Interesting topic. Yes, I am many things to many people, - worker, boss, partner, lover, teacher, student, top, sub, survivor, and a whole load more. Which is the real me? all of them. It depends on the time of day, the phases of the moon, the weather, the place, and most of all, who I am with. So I've never felt that anyone can be defined satisfactorily by a one word label. Labels can be handy shorthand for explaining a role, but "sub" for example is to me more of a verb than a noun.

That's why I've always struggled to understand people who insisted that "switches" were somehow lesser beings, impure forms of a Dom/Sub ideal., or people who were dishonest about who they "really" were. The obvious analogy to me is that plenty of people cope with being both Father and son (Mother/daughter) without any conflict .




Yep....lots of empty jars waiting to be filled with whatever we choose to fill them with.

I'm still trying to find the right way to describe myself....a dominant woman who is a top not a domme but who likes to bottom and has moment of utter submission depending on the partner, my inspiration and the phases of the moon. 

Hang on....I just did!

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
I think his point is that rigid expectations (based upon BDSM roles and and labels) can steer people away from themselves, and instead of "being" they end up "trying" and maybe misfiring too.

If I am going to meet someone, the first step would be to see if a personal connection is there -- and then work off of that. I do think this is a better approach than trying to be "submissive" so as to attract a "dominant." (This is just one example that springs to my mind.)


The bolded part says it all for me.  Honesty starts with myself....being honest with me about me.  I think so many people start out in this...wiitwd...trying to live up to the label they've chosen without realizing it's the person behind the label and not the position that, in the long run, counts.  I learned that the hard way and now I'm learning to just enjoy being me.

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