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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 9:43:35 AM

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You RAWK, MissA!

And LadyEllen, and the.dark, as usual your insights are marvellous. The system is SO different in the UK, it's almost hard to fathom. I would genuinely be SOL without the health insurance that I pay for out of my own pocket---which keeps me from getting ahead financially!

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:00:41 AM

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Well good on you Miss A . Good on you. Wish everyone was like You
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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:02:19 AM

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So, does depression count as "unable to work"?

Certainly. "Physically unable" is the PC term thanks to the stigma associated with a mental illness.

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ORIGINAL: Holly

I can define it as someone who work work because the job is beneath them, among other ways.

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ORIGINAL: Juliaoceana
You could, it wouldn't make you right....

I can imagine if I lost a job that I might be bitter about the fallout.

I might get depressed...

Just me, etc

My statement is based on his post:

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I am not going to lower myself to do Mc Donalds type work. I did not do a college degree to degrade myself like that

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ORIGINAL: Julia
He reads as someone depressed to me.... and depression is a real physical illness... it is a physically painful one too...

Hmmm...interesting diagnosis. And fascinating as well!!!

See, i have yet to meet a psych professional who is willing/able to make a diagnosis via written words on the internet. You are the first!! Shucks, i am impressed!!!

Use caution, oh Keyboard Psychologist, when tossing around a medical diagnosis. The power of suggestion is a strong thing.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:07:24 AM

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Keep your kudos kevin. Like how McDonalds isnt good enough for you, your petty stamp of approval isnt good enough for me.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:08:35 AM

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thank you LadyA!

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:23:24 AM

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Should be, being the key word, I have gone through an entire 12th grade school system and there's STILL area's in my learning that are gapped and missing so bad, you could drive a semi truck through it and not touch the sides. Schools are not that good or thorough in what they're teaching and how good they're teaching the kids. They'er over crowded , under funded, and more and more and STILL MORE programs are being cut every time you turn around.

When I was in 11th grade I saw plenty of other kids in my school age, who couldn't hardly read, or speak properly. In advanced English, there were kids who didn't even know what a prepositional verb phrase was, or what a dangling participial was, and they were 17 -18. I myself was and still am, a student who fell through the cracks so severely when it comes to having been taught grammar, and spelling and rules of grammar and stuff. I wouldn't know a dangling participial, if it walked up and introduced itself.

Sure I read well and my comprehension for the written word is very good, according to my adult ed teacher, but grammar, punctuation, the ability to spell, it's all down the toilet, and I only do as well as I do online because I have a spell checker program that spells everything for me, if I am wrong.

Now, as an adult if you choose* and generic you, not you who I am responding to* to stay ignorant, that's your choice. But a lot of people were cheated by the school system, and there's very little resources available and very little time sometimes to fix your ignorance. Specially if you're basically ignorant of the entire curriculum.

I am barely at a first grader's math ability, I can't count money or make change, and I am just now, at 27 being taught how to do math. I haven't seen a day of long division, or algebra, or calculus, or any of those other forms of math, I should of seen long before now.

And no, not every one is employable at some level, even a basic level. There's people who may be to mentally retarded, for lack of better word to hold a job. There's people who may be to severely health compromised to hold a job. Is that rare? Yes, but there are people out there unfit for the work force.

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ORIGINAL: jennileigh8182

Considering that basic education is required in this country, then everyone has at least a basic level of skills, which makes them employable at some basic level. Because everyone is required to attend a certain amount of school, everyone should be literate.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:27:17 AM

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Speak for yourself. Not every one on benefits are ashamed of being on benefits, or hates being on them. Nor does everything they can to not be on them.

They're called well fair queens for a reason, because they don't want to do a thing to help themselves, and they do anything they can to work the system and get the most out of it.

There are sometimes, other options out there, besides being on aid.

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

This is scurrilous rubbish. People on benefits HATE being on them. i know when i was on benefit i did everything i could to get off benefit. The fact of the matter is people now have no choice but to be on benefit.
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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:31:12 AM

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Hmmm...interesting diagnosis. And fascinating as well!!!

See, i have yet to meet a psych professional who is willing/able to make a diagnosis via written words on the internet. You are the first!! Shucks, i am impressed!!!

He actually has stated he is seeing a therapist... I never diagnosed him either...

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:39:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Anaerin you are a rock of common sense. People on this board would do well to read your words particularly those who dis the unemployed. They one day may be unemployed. Life is absolutely insecure. People should never take things for granted or exploit others for their own ends, people should never think because i ve earned this its mine no one else's and i have no obligation to no one. Because one day the worm may turn full circle and they will want compassion when they are unemployed and financially hard up. Compassion that they have singularly failed to give others
kevin

I think the major problem that people have with your posts is that you seem to be saying that people who are willing to work for a low wage job are some how less than you...

You know what, I have a lot of sympathy for the unemployed in this country... many of them are way over qualified for mcdonalds, and wouldn't get hired because of this... but I do not think any work is beneath anyone, not even you...

By stating that you are too good to work for mcdonalds, that infers that there are people you feel superior to... I think you would get a lot more sympathy if you presented it from the view that no one should work for a wage that will not support the basics of life... all wages should be living wages. This includes food, housing, and utilities....

Just me, etc

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:42:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Julia
He reads as someone depressed to me.... and depression is a real physical illness... it is a physically painful one too...

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Hmmm...interesting diagnosis. And fascinating as well!!!

See, i have yet to meet a psych professional who is willing/able to make a diagnosis via written words on the internet. You are the first!! Shucks, i am impressed!!!

He actually has stated he is seeing a therapist... I never diagnosed him either...

*i thought *I* was the one with short-term memory loss*

Sorry...this is a diagnosis:

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ORIGINAL: Julia
He reads as someone depressed to me.... and depression is a real physical illness... it is a physically painful one too...

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:47:05 AM

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I was made redundant five years ago. I was devastated.

Mostly I was devastated because I had to go on the dole for a few months while I looked for work. When I went to the dole office I met so many people who were ashamed and embarrassed about being unemployed, and who were seriously trying to find work. But then there were those who saw the dole as their 'right' and as a reason not to work. Some of these people had never worked (including a guy in his late 30s) who showed pride in their refusal to work.

I decided to go back to college to retrain for another career. In the meantime I worked as a classroom teaching assistant (I wanted to train as a teacher). I was more qualified than the teacher (I have two degrees) but I just got on with it. I earned crap money, but it was MY money, and honestly come by. Oh, and I had also applied for jobs in a supermarket, earning minumum wage, just to be earning while I was waiting for college to start.

Previously I had earned a lot of money, and paid a lot of tax. Some said I should continue on welfare because I'd made so many thousands in contributions over the year. Yet my sense of pride and my moral compass set me working at a fairly low level job, with a very low salary.

I have no time for people who refuse to work because the money isn't great. If it pays the bills and means you're off welfare, then it needs to be done. Start at the bottom, and work your way up.

My heart goes out to those people who are willing to work and will do any job to give them that step onto the employment ladder - but who still can't find work.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:51:31 AM

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Hmmmm... I am not a shrink... I can read a post and say the person who wrote it seems depressed to me. It is not a diagnosis...That is like saying because someone writes that because they have a nine inch gash on their arm I am diagnosing them by saying "they seem to be injured"..lmao

Here is what a diagnosis looks like

"In my professional opinion the poster on this thread is suffering from depression because he matches the DSM-IV criteria for that disorder"....

He is unemployed. He is seeing a therapist. He writes negatively. He is exhibiting some of those things I associate with depression. He is at risk for depression because he is unemployed.

In short, I think you are just nit picking my post to give yourself a little entertainment and a feeling of superiority... whatever floats your boat.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:52:11 AM

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People have said this before, there ARE jobs out there, you don't WANT the jobs that are out there, because you feel fast food and stuff is beneath you. So please stop saying there are not jobs, there are jobs, you just won't try out for them.

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

im trying to find suitable employment , paid employment , there is none out there, i continue to try but so far i have got nothing but rejections. You have paid employment bully for you, im not working for nothing for anyone again
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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 10:56:49 AM

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hahaha! no concept of it? i suppose i should run this by you again. Age:16, HOMELESS. i slept in a shelter that was co-ed and i couldnt sleep in peace because i was worried about being taken advantage of. Age 17: worked for MINIMUM WAGE with GRATITUDE 48 hours a week while maintaining my status as an honour student and lived in a section 8(goverment assistance) housing project. Graduated #13 out 290 students that year. fast forward 3 years- i have 2 degrees, my OWN house and a new car that I worked for- that i EARNED.i give 10% of my weekly earnings to church, i do nate to the Boys and Girls club of my city, because i know what its like to BE WITHOUT THE BASICS and you dare to sit on your ass behind a computer and pass judgement on me? i took what i can get in life and i didnt bitch about how unfair the government and big companies were- its really pathetic that i had that mind set at 16, meanwhile you are in you 30s and continue to spew "woe is me" at everybody. and yes Kevin- this is directed at YOU.

You are a fabulous example of what determination and hard work can acheive. Kudos to you, MissAsylum; you truly are a leader.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 11:16:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

i'm still trying to understand this whole "responsibility an leadership" thing that our dear Kevie is harping on. I'll put myself in your scenario. last year, through 4 jobs that i have(yes, FOUR) as a model, ProDomme, professional artist and makeup artist, all of which i started at the bottom with and worked my way to what I am now entitled to(entitled because i WORKED), i made $128,419. so because of that, i should be taxed around 20% because that would make me a leader. its my responsibility to give extra handouts of what i worked my ass off to get. is that what you are saying kevin?

You do realize that your income puts you somewhere around the 20-25% tax bracket, right? So you are already paying that much tax.

I don't agree with Kevin at all, but I find it amazing that you are complaining about having to pay a tax that you didn't know you were already paying.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 11:18:29 AM

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It's ok that you don't read very well. You obviously missed the sentence in my profile that says I'm not looking for financial support.

And as a matter of fact....lower income individuals DO get special credits on their tax return, at least where I am. They are considered to have less of a tax obligation and there are extra credits (amounting to extra return) if you fall below a certain level. I don't recall what it is at the moment, but I've been able to claim it a couple times in the last few years, but not all of them.

And for the record...I work part time because I go to school full time, in a highly demanding program. The university discourages work at all due to the rigorous nature of my degree path, but I simply can't afford to do that.

I read quite well, and no I didn't miss the sentence that says you aren't looking for financial support. Of course the fact that what you ARE looking for would mean you don't work apparently flys past your head, but whatever.

Do you understand the difference between tax credits, deductions and income? Do you know where your federal tax return is sent to as opposed to your state return (if you state has an income tax)? I go back to hoping neither of your degrees have anything to to with accounting.

Some of the tax credits/deductions that you get are indeed based on income. The dependant care credit, the child tax credit are based on income. The head of household deduction is not.

The point is that YOU chose to seek a SECOND degree, and you think it is ok for the government to give you some type of assistance to pursue your education, as opposed to working full time in the career your first degree is for and then saving or going to school for the second one part time so that you don't need assistance.

Yet you complain about people on assistance who shouldn't be. YOU shouldn't be. You made choices that put you below the poverty line and in need of assistance. What makes YOU better than the other people who are doing it?

Each time your parents put a little of the milk you buy on foodstamps in their morning coffee, you and they are breaking the law. But you don't care. After all, YOU are a young mother trying to get a SECOND degree and so you are entitled to those benefits, why should you, like everyone else, have to work at a job that you don't necessarily like and go to school part time, or save up so you can support yourself and your son when you go full time?

Pot, meet kettle.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 11:34:46 AM

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i'm not complaining at all. my gripe is that kevin believes i was handed everything and that i should pay the 20% out of moral fiber.

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 11:38:27 AM

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thank you blushes. even though i'm not looking for kudos, i'll gladly take yours lol

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 11:41:07 AM

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i'm not complaining at all. my gripe is that kevin believes i was handed everything and that i should pay the 20% out of moral fiber.

You shouldn't pay that? Who should be paying the taxes in this country?

I asked you before who supports the military, the single largest expense we have as a nation... are the poor supposed to pay for the security you enjoy? Are they supposed to pay for the infrastructure that enables you to make your money?

Take Kevin out of the equation, what exactly are you saying?

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RE: Benefit scroungers ? - 7/1/2010 12:00:02 PM

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am i under the correct assumption that just because you asked me a question, that I am supposed to answer it?

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