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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:03:30 PM   
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I like yarn and I knit. Does that count for anything?

Whoda thunk you were so "Fluffy Snuffy" :-)



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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:06:04 PM   
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I like yarn and I knit. Does that count for anything?

Whoda thunk you were so "Fluffy Snuffy" :-)




It's worse than that.. I collect Beanie Babies, too and on top of it all, I'm a Star Trek geek.

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:10:16 PM   
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I often say "not all pain is created equal".


Ah, thanks for that - yes, that's part of what I'm trying to explore/explain with this thread. Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else. Even if one type of pain vs another type of pain still hurts, and is still perceived physically as pain, is there actually a difference between the two, and if so then can one be seen as 'pain' and the other as a different construct all together?

Hope that wasn't too convulted?

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:11:14 PM   
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whip,

you do realize I'm thinking about your package and can't read what you type right?

no the sexual harassment will never end


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ARE NOT YOU LISTENING TO A SINGLE WORD I'M SAYING?

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:17:11 PM   
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whip,

you do realize I'm thinking about your package and can't read what you type right?

no the sexual harassment will never end


Blah Blah Blah Yadda Yadda Yadda Ho Hum Ho Hum La De Dah La De Dah
ARE NOT YOU LISTENING TO A SINGLE WORD I'M SAYING?


MMM package......

Wot?

Did someone say something?

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:28:54 PM   
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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:29:55 PM   
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Ah, thanks for that - yes, that's part of what I'm trying to explore/explain with this thread. Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else. Even if one type of pain vs another type of pain still hurts, and is still perceived physically as pain, is there actually a difference between the two, and if so then can one be seen as 'pain' and the other as a different construct all together?

Hope that wasn't too convulted?


There's also the aspects "the release" after the pain, the whole after effect that is a carry over result. Different kinds of pain carry different kinds of effects both physically and mentally.

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:34:14 PM   
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Ah, thanks for that - yes, that's part of what I'm trying to explore/explain with this thread. Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else. Even if one type of pain vs another type of pain still hurts, and is still perceived physically as pain, is there actually a difference between the two, and if so then can one be seen as 'pain' and the other as a different construct all together?

Hope that wasn't too convulted?


There's also the aspects "the release" after the pain, the whole after effect that is a carry over result. Different kinds of pain carry different kinds of effects both physically and mentally.


Yes, true, very true *nods* Another point of interest to consider. Thanks

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the real misnomer is that a sadist is a rare "sick" person only found in fetish circles.

Take a look at the comedy performance art of Sascha Baron Cohen, otherwise known as Ali G, Borat and Bruno.  What he does is theatre of cruelty at its finest.  He absolutely humiliates anyone he comes in contact with and audiences have been laughing with delicious sadistic glee for years now.   A whole fucking ton of people get off on watching someone else squirm.  Word.


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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:37:58 PM   
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Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else.


It depends on the person. A sadist is going to want my pain and want the pain that I hate the most. There are a lot of sensations that hurt and I enjoy them. Those things do not feed his sadistic desires. As he says, those things are the foreplay for him until he gets to the things I hate. When he is feeling sadistic, he wants my pain. He doesn't want sensations that I enjoy even if they are painful. He will do those things so that he can push me farther with the pain I hate.

As I said before, I have met very few who are sadistic. Many desire to play with the sensations and don't enjoy going to the point that the bottom hates what is being done.

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:38:36 PM   
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I think the real misnomer is that a sadist is a rare "sick" person only found in fetish circles.

Take a look at the comedy performance art of Sascha Baron Cohen, otherwise known as Ali G, Borat and Bruno.  What he does is theatre of cruelty at its finest.  He absolutely humiliates anyone he comes in contact with and audiences have been laughing with delicious sadistic glee for years now.   A whole fucking ton of people get off on watching someone else squirm.  Word.




ooh, another excellent point.

*absorbs*

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:41:32 PM   
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Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else.


It depends on the person. A sadist is going to want my pain and want the pain that I hate the most. There are a lot of sensations that hurt and I enjoy them. Those things do not feed his sadistic desires. As he says, those things are the foreplay for him until he gets to the things I hate. When he is feeling sadistic, he wants my pain. He doesn't want sensations that I enjoy even if they are painful. He will do those things so that he can push me farther with the pain I hate.

As I said before, I have met very few who are sadistic. Many desire to play with the sensations and don't enjoy going to the point that the bottom hates what is being done.




Yes, that does make sense, and definitely I see it as a 'depends on the person' situation as well. And yes absolutely I would be someone who falls into the category of 'desire to play with the sensations and don't enjoy going to the point that the bottom hates what is being done'.

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:43:34 PM   
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Ok... but the point is.."Service Top" has a bad connotation. Why?



This is quite possibly meandering off topic, but yeah I'd like to know why as well? I've never seen it as a bad thing, then again I've never seen it as a positive thing either, it just is how it is for me. It's how I like to roll, nothing really good or bad attached to it accept as far as it is what I enjoy.

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:44:45 PM   
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As I said before, I have met very few who are sadistic. Many desire to play with the sensations and don't enjoy going to the point that the bottom hates what is being done.





I totally agree. For me, I think what makes me a masochist is that I want and even crave that thing that I hate. Finding someone that wants that as well is VERY rare. I have found many say that, but they do not really mean it.

I do notice you ducking the knit panties question kyra!


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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:54:54 PM   
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I do notice you ducking the knit panties question kyra!



I am just trying to figure out how this lowly slave is supposed to 'make' him wear knit panties... I am not sure I could stop laughing long enough...

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:56:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		hahaha...that's a good point....hmmm...the poor wording was me joking...

well could ya ask him at least?

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 8:59:33 PM   
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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 9:23:49 PM   
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Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else. Even if one type of pain vs another type of pain still hurts, and is still perceived physically as pain, is there actually a difference between the two, and if so then can one be seen as 'pain' and the other as a different construct all together?

Hope that wasn't too convulted?


Not all food is created equal... so... why do eat .. because we are hungry. But our hunger can be satisfied iwith many different foods. But... it's not so much that something else is being sought as that there are multiple reasons why we eat to feed that hunger.. and hunger is just one of them. Today... I had Steak and Eggs for supper and yesterday it was a Burrito... In fact, I find that I eat alot of different things over the course of week with a few similiar things. I Love the contrasts of all those foods. My SM is alot like my foods. I am satisfying a hunger and I enjoy the contrasts... they all taste alittle different and still satisfy the hunger that is at the core.

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 6/30/2010 10:04:16 PM   
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Just taking the concept of 'not all pain is created' equal one step further and wondering therefore if not all pain is the same, then does it follow that it's not actually pain perse that is being sought, but something else. Even if one type of pain vs another type of pain still hurts, and is still perceived physically as pain, is there actually a difference between the two, and if so then can one be seen as 'pain' and the other as a different construct all together?

Hope that wasn't too convulted?


Not all food is created equal... so... why do eat .. because we are hungry. But our hunger can be satisfied iwith many different foods. But... it's not so much that something else is being sought as that there are multiple reasons why we eat to feed that hunger.. and hunger is just one of them. Today... I had Steak and Eggs for supper and yesterday it was a Burrito... In fact, I find that I eat alot of different things over the course of week with a few similiar things. I Love the contrasts of all those foods. My SM is alot like my foods. I am satisfying a hunger and I enjoy the contrasts... they all taste alittle different and still satisfy the hunger that is at the core.


Ooh, excellent analogy

*takes notes, absorbs more points of interest*

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RE: Question for Sadomasochists - 7/1/2010 1:19:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		this is a really interesting thread for me right now because im in the process of totally seeing things in a different way on this topic.

i dont get off on pain ever, no fully bunnies or subspace until its all over.  for me its all about submitting to my Dom and the pain he doles out, i need the outlet but i dont enjoy it as a sensation, its a struggle but i need that struggle.

it used to be that i hooked up with sadists because my level of massochism seemed to fit in well with their sadistic enjoyment, they enjoyed putting me through the struggle, i needed the struggle, everyones happy.

recently though ive met a man who isnt a sadist and what he gives in pain is all about giving me the outlet to struggle and cry.  he gets the charge out of me surrendering myself to him.

i used to think that a non-sadist couldnt possibly want to hurt a struggling, boohooing sub and that in a way he is really serving her needs not his.

apparently not so.  his needs are tied into the surrender of me to Him and controlling the whole thing all the way to the end until i cry because he knows, no matter how much i struggle thats what has to happen.  so im still there for the duration and i am still serving his needs, cept his needs arent all about sadism.

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