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Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 9:17:59 PM   
MistressDarkArt


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After a few brief email exchanges and an offer to call him to get further acquainted, I received this note from a local sub who lives five minutes from me. 

"I read most of the journal entries and your profile and do not feel  
there is a real sensual emotional connection.  Most of what I read was  
from other men and nothing about you as a loving caring quality person  
and an expression of your vanilla loves and desires and how they are  
integrated".


What a pity...we are both sailors, both searching for a significant connection with another lifestyler, both enjoying our local paradise in similar fashion (a VERY small town...completely amazing that there was someone so close) and if there had been in-person chemistry there was exciting potential.

What do you think, subs?  If I state in my profile 'seeking ongoing significant connection with ltr possible' is that a pretty clear parallel to "sensual, emotional connection"?   Would *you* feel compelled to write based on an eHarmony-rated version of what I would like to find on a lifestyle website?

It feels like a girl can't win...I could 1) join the pack of all the other match.com Harlequin novel-type romance profiles and get passed over as vanilla on a lifestyle site or  2) express the truth about seeking a significant connection and show absolutely real examples of how I operate so anyone considering me doesn't have to wonder if I'm a fake.

Especially interested in hearing the opinions of straight male subs seeking a Domme.  Let me pose this question:

In your heart of hearts, what do you really hope to find here on CM and what specifically in a Domme's profile compels you to contact her?


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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 9:35:00 PM   
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If HM had the same type of journal about other women when we had met, I would not have been interested either. It does look like you have a slot (no pun at all intended) to fill, and are looking for someone within a certain distance to fill it.
When HM and I got together, we did not discuss bdsm interests before vanilla interests; we took our time and got to know each other as people first, not kinks. I can understand how your openness could be a bit alarming for someone seeking more than just a kinky partner.
There's not a right way or a wrong way, but it appears that there is a "right way" for him. It just doesn't happen to be your way.


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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 10:06:37 PM   
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Thank you Christina...I couldn't agree more.  That is what is so confusing...in our correspondence we  agreed to some guidelines to respect each other's comfort level while getting acquainted...i.e. that we would approach getting to know one another as though we had met at a friend's bbq or some other non-kink social venue.  We'd agreed we were on the same page as to what we were looking for, and he'd read most of the journal entries and commented verbatim that he was 'surprised, but liked them.'

Ah well...we must each stay true to ourselves and though I don't really understand the turn-around, I commend him for speaking up instead of just disappearing or giving me the 'run-around'.



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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 10:26:51 PM   
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When he says that he doesn't feel a "real sensual emotional connection" from reading your profile and journal entries, what I'm hearing is that you didn't write enough about sex to get him all hot and bothered.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 10:28:44 PM   
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he was just looking for an excuse not to meet. Alas, happens a lot with guys on here, especially those who haven't served as subs before, who either don't get or fear what it entails in real life.
Sigh, mourn in your journal, and think 'Next'.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 10:41:53 PM   
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Ye gods, hardbody!!  Have you READ the journal entries??!!  I get 'thank you' notes all the time for being a prolific wank-fodder provider!  

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 6/30/2010 11:01:27 PM   
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Ah, no, I confess that I didn't read them. Maybe by "sensual emotional", he's saying that they were too graphic/physically oriented for him, and he's more into the "chick flick" psychological connection. Or as others have suggested, just looking for an excuse.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 7:02:05 AM   
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I tried to post one but for some reason it did not go in, so I will try again.
After reading your profile I liked a few things. One was the way you said looking under the rock was very cool and" helping you expand and grow in your personal strength while assisting you in overcoming your fears and limits to set new goal" That is a very good way to put it. I think you are being very much to the point in stating what yo are looking for.
But for males and especially  younger ones, I think  they do not know themselves what they are looking for. I sometimes call that the dick theory. We will bang the door down in the castle  with our dicks in order in get the girl but once we are there and reach our goal then we seem to be a bit lost.
That is why I like being a sub for the time being Dommes help me slow down in a way and hence I am learning something about myself.
I think your profile shows you have much heart and not a thing is wrong with that.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 1:24:15 PM   
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MistressDarkArt,

Perhaps I'm going the be the "bad guy" here (or "bad sub", as it were).  I say this because you've asked an honest question and my answer isn't in tandem with what others have written so far.

The length of your profile shows an interest in attracting someone and in communicating.  For my tastes though, where you've gone wrong is in what you say.  Right from the outset you write:  "experienced Mistress skilled in the dark arts seeking SINGLE submissive or switch males for ongoing, weekly, hands-on sessions and possible ltr including other areas of life's interests."  You do say possible ltr, but this is in contradiction with sessions.  Of the submissives I know who are looking for a relationship (men and women alike), the word session pretty much dissuades any interest they might have in someone.  Even though kinky, those seeking relationships often start outside of BDSM and include BDSM when the chemistry and dynamics feel right.  Side note:  what are the "dark arts"?  It might help to clarify this, or remove it and save this for communicating with someone in person.

While you hint at interests outside BDSM, most of what comes across is BDSM focused.  Let's add the entries from your Journal into the equation.  Whoa!  Advice from Mistresses about submissives.  Feminization.  Pussy power.  Chastity devices.  Erotic stories about your previous pet and how he eats his Cum.  More sex stories.  And more.  Put all of this together and I can see why a submissive who is looking for a long term relationship might be concerned.  In my opinion, there isn't enough non-sex/non-BDSM balance in your profile and this may be what caused the reaction you received.

CM is a BDSM dating site so it makes sense that you'd mention some of your BDSM interests.  However, I think you'd do better to eliminate most of what is in your journal (people don't need to know the details of past scenes/play with previous partners), dial back some of the BDSM in your profile, and add things that interest you in the vanilla world.  By all means, frame these within the context of the BDSM relationship you'd like to have, but I think it's important that the non-whip-in-hand stuff comes across clearly and perhaps in a way that transcends BDSM, even if BDSM intertwines with everything you do.  Also, if a relationship is what you're seeking, emphasize this and take out the session stuff (or reduce the session stuff's emphasis by moving it from your opening to a paragraph of less significance).

So yeah.  Now I'm the bad guy for raining on your parade.  But, you did ask so I'm answering honestly and in a way I hope ultimately resonates with you and is helpful.  I'm sorry to hear things were going well and then... poof!  Perhaps, as others alluded, this submissive wasn't as interested (or as able) as he said he was.  Still, this would be very frustrating for you.  It's possible your profile played a part though.  I hope things work out better for you next time around.

Elan.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 2:04:23 PM   
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When I see "ongoing weekly hands-on sessions and possible ltr" I automatically think Pro-Domme.

Just my .2c

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 2:41:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

The length of your profile shows an interest in attracting someone and in communicating.  For my tastes though, where you've gone wrong is in what you say.  Right from the outset you write:  "experienced Mistress skilled in the dark arts seeking SINGLE submissive or switch males for ongoing, weekly, hands-on sessions and possible ltr including other areas of life's interests."  You do say possible ltr, but this is in contradiction with sessions.  Of the submissives I know who are looking for a relationship (men and women alike), the word session pretty much dissuades any interest they might have in someone.  Even though kinky, those seeking relationships often start outside of BDSM and include BDSM when the chemistry and dynamics feel right.  Side note:  what are the "dark arts"?  It might help to clarify this, or remove it and save this for communicating with someone in person.


i havent read the OPs journals so im just going on what has been said so far.

the thing is, this is a dating site and maybe the word 'possible' is a bit fluid, but to be honest some level of fluidity is realistic.

LTR would be nice to find, but i get the impression that until she finds the right guy she's going to carry on having some fun.

the thing is the right person may or may not come along anytime soon and to look at every single guy with that ltr priority is putting more pressure on both of them long before theyve even met.

so, im looking at it from my angle here a bit.  ive met a guy who is about as close to how i think, feel and view the world, shares similar passions and interests and potentially seems a good LTR prospect, but i havent gone into this with that in mind and im not going to even ask him where he thinks we're heading, im just going to enjoy what we have and see where it goes.

i think putting LTR pressure on before youve even sat down and had coffee is bats.

so, im going with the guys who are saying he's bottled out to be honest.  if they managed to agree on so much at the start as a first base and both enjoy the same hobby then for him not to at least meet her, talk openly and with an open mind towards the future then to my mind, he's turned down a good relationship potential and that makes no sense to me at all.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 2:57:38 PM   
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ElanSubdued-thank you for your observations.  This is exactly the honest input I was hoping for...you are definitely NOT a "bad-sub"!!  I don't need my feelings spared; there is always room for improvement where obviously the old ways aren't working. I will take your comments to heart and think about how I'd like to revamp the profile.  Since I'm a big believer in balance that observation really resonated with me.  I like your suggestion of paring down the journal entries.  Also, thanks for bringing up the term 'session'...as a lifestyle Domme I equate the word "session" with time spent dedicated to the hands-on practice of bdsm D/s...time carved out in busy lives to honor our connection.  I don't think of it as perhaps a ProDomme would, with the meter running.  My goal in putting that in the profile was to give readers an idea of how often I like to go hands-on, so perhaps I will simply just state that in exactly that way instead of using the word "session."  I refer to stuff we kinky people do as the 'dark arts'...maybe that's too ambiguous of a term.

Tantriq-always the voice of reason and reality...thank you.  I LOVE when I see your replies!

81song-you're a true gentleman, thank you for sharing your "Dick Theory"...I am glad to hear about this directly from a man as I've seen the phenomenon often and wondered if men are self-aware of it.  Do you have any suggestions for how to assist a male sub who has crashed through the castle door and is now feeling lost?

I appreciate everyone taking the time to reply.  Your thoughts will help me regroup, revamp, and look forward to seeing what happens.  Thank you everyone.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 7:37:13 PM   
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quote:

LTR would be nice to find, but i get the impression that until she finds the right guy she's going to carry on having some fun.


Absolutely spot on, lally2.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/1/2010 8:42:30 PM   
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even as i fit the profile of 'straight single submissive male', i can't begin to speak for anyone but myself.  your journal entries were gone before i could read them but i don't imagine they're important to the question posed, but may have been if i was commenting on what was occurring with the guy you've mentioned.  if i were to comment, i would say convenience often weighs too heavily in our minds.  most people at one point or another claim to have found their soulmate, and to a degree which rouses extreme suspicion; these soulmates tend to go to the same school or live 10 minutes away in almost every case.  6 billion people, and your soulmate has a 95% chance of living next door?

that's why convenience is something i think people hold onto too dearly; it escalates our perception in ways that don't discern realism very well, and causes us to overlook what might just be a little further out of our immediate reach.  fortunate as it might have been, he drifted; just let him go, it wouldn't have been any better or worse if he was in egypt. 

i wouldn't be surprised that there are more seemingly compatible locals than you could fathom; they're just not on collarme or discernible in public eye.

most of us try to keep our lives as private as possible, many are absolutely fearful of others finding out where our interests and activities may lie; which makes finding each other like playing marco polo with a deaf mute. 

i'd just keep my eyes open like you have been, but there's more than just collarme to see.

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What do you think, subs?  If I state in my profile 'seeking ongoing significant connection with ltr possible' is that a pretty clear parallel to "sensual, emotional connection"?   Would *you* feel compelled to write based on an eHarmony-rated version of what I would like to find on a lifestyle website?


very little compels me to write to people aside from them writing to me.  i think in absolutely every case that i've ever written to someone first, it has been merely to pay a compliment to someone i either wasn't interested in, or had zero chance with.

i look, i read, i show up on people's "who's viewing me" lists time to time, but that's about as far as i manage to go on my own.  keeping in mind i speak only for myself and i don't expect other people carry the same issues i do, i'll go ahead and answer your question.

quote:


Especially interested in hearing the opinions of straight male subs seeking a Domme.  Let me pose this question:

In your heart of hearts, what do you really hope to find here on CM and what specifically in a Domme's profile compels you to contact her?


what i really hope to find is someone who shatters my doubt and disbelief.

i want someone who understands my perpetual appreciation for all women, and not just her; but also understands i want one of those women to be in my life.  someone i feel like i belong with, and who can withstand me pouring into her alone the appreciation and affections i universally hold for so many, but get to experience in one unique relationship. 

i want someone who scares me a bit, but comforts me more so.  in collarme i generally run into two types of people; those who seem far too reserved and make me feel like i'm talking to the same kind of person i've always yielded incompatible results with, and then there are thos who outright frighten me when i consider what getting involved with them would be like.  these latter types always seem fantastical; as though they're either not aware of reality, or simply don't live in it.  like so many often do, they get caught up in terminology and fantasy that all they can accomplish in their efforts is to become a reflection of what bdsm is viewed to be on the surface, and so they live their life in constant role-play and deception.

i hope to find someone who unsettles me with how down to earth and open her mind is, but who doesn't give me reason to distrust or disbelieve.  someone who does things like telling me where she'll be without actually inviting me to come, someone who is not afraid to ask too much of me, but is doing so from an interest of me, more than what it will gain her.  i hope to find someone that i feel accepted by, and beyond all other measures; someone who is patient enough, in more ways than one, to get there.  else, they could just be so damn special that i can be at ease and comfortable for once.

i have a fault of being very timid, so what i in the end hope for is someone who can lure me in when i am wary, someone that will pull me where they want me to go, and someone who won't let go me once they've finally got me.

and if i can't have that, i might settle for someone who's 10 kinds of crazy, likes leather, and doesn't mind cuddling; but not today.

in short... i have no doubt that there are people looking for the same thing you are even if you've yet to come across them; not to mention that just because 2 people are looking for the same thing, there's no assurances they'll be able to find it in each other.


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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/2/2010 6:15:32 AM   
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I absolutely loved your post hopelesslyInvo.
quote:

what i really hope to find is someone who shatters my doubt and disbelief.
especially that line.

Good luck finding what you seek.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/2/2010 8:47:19 AM   
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HopelesslyInvo: great post! Its great to see you back on the CM boards!

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/2/2010 11:59:18 AM   
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I believe there is probably one word in your profile that kept him from moving forward... SINGLE! imho.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/2/2010 2:06:55 PM   
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He may have just gotten scared. It happens.

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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/2/2010 6:12:37 PM   
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quote:

what i really hope to find is someone who shatters my doubt and disbelief.


Hmmm, that's what I'd like to find also.  Lovely, heartfelt post.  Thanks for summing it up so succinctly.   Are you sure you don't live near San Luis Obispo?

quote:

I believe there is probably one word in your profile that kept him from moving forward... SINGLE! imho.


Horrors...but could be true...even though his profile specifies he's looking for an ltr...

quote:

He may have just gotten scared. It happens.


He should be scared!  He might have had his wish come true!  Truth is, I'm scared too...but I continue to forge ahead in life waving the "nothing ventured, nothing gained'" banner, confident that I'll be OK.


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RE: Perceptions of Domme - 7/2/2010 6:38:39 PM   
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What Elan said was basically what I tried to say. I tend to couch things in niceities. But yeah, if you're looking for a relationship, you might not want to be blogging about people you've played with.

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