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RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. d... - 7/2/2010 6:17:25 PM   
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"Al-Quaeda in Mesopotamia" is not the same as Al-Quaeda a la Mohammed bin Laden.

There weren't any Al-Quaeda of any type in Iraq until after we hung around for a few years.

btw, by such reasoning we should claim money from Pakistan...that's where AQ's gone off to nowadays.


Actually, I would solidly argue that you should head into the direction of Malaysia, if it's the more 'radical islamicists' you're seeking to destroy. Come to think of it, there's a fair number locally.

President Mubarak (of Egypt) spoke a few years ago on this subject. He stated that "Hatred for the United State of America has reached new heights amongst the muslim nations".

This war, combined with the current state of affairs between Israel and Palestine, has been more than enough to fuel that hatred, and create a near-endless supply of those willing to fight in support of their beliefs.

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RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. d... - 7/3/2010 1:07:05 AM   
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Why this article to illustrate your bewildering notion that Iraqis should give us their oil "to pay us back" for invading their country? Having lost two brothers and his  home to the US invasion of Iraq, inexplicably optimistic Ishmail here seems pretty typical  of the war ravaged still left in Iraq. So he  & his country owe us their oil too? Seriously, WTF?
BTW those prices are so way more than the US gov't would get for the used crap(and crappers) on craigslist. eg, $50 for a used minifridge with "Do not open -US  Gov't" stamped all over it .... plus a possible beheading bonus. Quel deal!

I do agree  that the US Govt must stop devastating the Social Security trust fund to pay its war bills.   So far billions into trillions are owed taxpayers back from raiding our trust fund built up over generations of contributions from our paychecks.   Plus interest.
It is this theft from Social Security, not the "baby Boomers retiring" that has threatened the solvency of social security.
The taxpayer's Soc Sec trust fund is not the Pentagon's private slush fund.  Nor the ATM for other other part of the Government for that matter. 

I repeatedly read that the two events that took us from the annual surplus of the Clinton years to the annual deficits of the Bush
administration were the Bush-Cheney unaffordable Iraq War and the Bush  tax refunds/ cuts.  With this in mind, I'd say that there  are plenty of other places to look besides stealing from Soc Security or Iraqi oil  to  pay down the deficit/ balance the budget.  A few  places to consider:

The waste by the DOD &  military contractors; prosecute to recoup these contractors' unaccountably missing billions/trillions.
Oil company subsidies and their uncollected taxes and royalties
The often crooked  farm subsidies and tax breaks  for  millionaire fake "farmers" and agribusiness
Billions being lost to the Repug orchestrated lapse in the inheritance tax enforcement this year
Increasing the income tax rate back to their "panacea" Regan years on people making over (this seems wildly fair) 3 mil/year  Taxing evading corporations that have moved off shore if the majority of their employees reside in the US (especially govt contractors)
A sales tax on every Wall Street transaction
A national sales tax on interstate internet purchases...restoring some revenue to the states that have lost so much here
My special favorite  -making hedge fund managers pay at reg income tax not at capital gains rates. 

The notion of using Iraqi oil to pay for the Iraq invasion is eerily familiar.    Congress was told by Bush & Cheney that we invaded Iraq for two, now completely discredited, reasons: Saddam was in cahoots with bin Laden for 911 and Saddam had WMDs.  They featured the "Iraq War would  pay for itself out of Iraq Oil Revenues!"  Yes, the NeoCons publicly espoused seizing the oil right from the beginning.  The War was initially presented(post invasion btw) to Congress as "deficit neutral" based on this Neo Con brain fart. 

The Iraqis have had 150000 of their civilians killed, many hundreds of thousands wounded, and experienced mass homelessness and  exodus - including the majority of their educated and professional class.
I'm glad Ishmail feels happy that we left him a few overpriced,used latrines  to build a house for his surviving family.  Let's leave him & his country its oil too.  It does not belong to us, just as  the Social Security Trust Fund does not belong to the Pentagon.















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RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. d... - 7/3/2010 7:43:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain
If you want to live in fantasyland suit yourself but virtually everyone believed from the beginning, especially Iraqis, it was about oil.

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How about using some Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. deficit instead of stealing peoples’ social security?


Well, B, we still like to pretend that Iraqi oil belongs to Iraq.


Don't be such a cunt, B.

Of course it's about oil. But obviously we can't just openly steal it.

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RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. d... - 7/3/2010 11:22:23 AM   
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If you want to live in fantasyland suit yourself but virtually everyone believed from the beginning, especially Iraqis, it was about oil.



I generally sympathize with the spirit of your politics on this issue but the above statement is bogus. We were clearly told the war was about avoiding a nuclear cloud over the United States. I even recall some nonesense about Saddam using balloons to float his WMDs across out shore line.

The corollary issue was the neoconservative vision of exporting Western style democracy to the Middle East.



To be fair,it wasn`t so much that we wanted the oil as much as we didn`t want Saddam to control it.1/3 of the world`s reserves is a lot of influence.

I don`t believe he would have been a direct threat to us ,which is the test of whether we go to war or not.We had the guy boxed in,un-able to do jack shit without it getting radar seeking missiles sent down his throat.

The only way bush and his lickers could get that done was through deception.Hell,I believed it was possible he was behind 9/11.They abuse the trust of a lot of hurting,upset people who wanted to know who did 9/11 and to get the perps.

Later we find out that Saddam was no friend of bin-laden(quite the opposite) and that the only al queda in Iraq operated in the Kurdish zone,a zone we controlled,not the zone Saddam controlled.

So getting the oil wasn`t the main goal.Preventing him from getting it was.

But there were many ways to skin that cat other than full scale invasion and occupation,getting over 4000 GIs killed and tripping a massive religious civil war.



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RE: How about using Iraq oil revenue to cut the U.S. d... - 7/3/2010 12:25:50 PM   
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But there were many ways to skin that cat other than full scale invasion and occupation,getting over 4000 GIs killed and tripping a massive religious civil war.


Exactly. The unintended consequences, apparently, is the rise of Iran as a Regional Power.

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