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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:16:26 PM

BalletBob

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I consider myself a "Sub", and not a Slave. So I am not sure if this fits this post or not. Even though I have no Mistress, I am still a sub. It is my nature, and what I am.

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:23:21 PM

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Thank you, Marie. I do not fear the uni, I am trying to embrace.

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:27:34 PM

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It would be a bit easier to read your posts if I didn't have to look at your dick.

not to mention all that hair

Well, that's certainly why I keep myself clean-shaven from time to time.

Um. was that tmi? Sorry. Carry on.

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:29:52 PM

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Thank you, Marie. I do not fear the uni, I am trying to embrace.

(haha, Jefffff)

Poor Katy... I shall miss you.

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:31:59 PM

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Is shooting Wookies with rubber bands acceptable or not?

YES!!!!!!

Okay, then how about wookies chained up to St. Andrews Cross, with one of these being used?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9_ONA9hHBE

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:43:08 PM

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Where was that video when we were doing the rubber band thread?

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/4/2010 6:47:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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Is shooting Wookies with rubber bands acceptable or not?

YES!!!!!!

Okay, then how about wookies chained up to St. Andrews Cross, with one of these being used?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9_ONA9hHBE

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/6/2010 11:33:39 PM

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To me, there is no such thing as an un-owned slave. If an individual is seeking someone to yield to, and has an inclination to be positioned as a slave in that dynamic, then xhe would choose someone who would shape the relationship in those directions... however, until the point where xhe is owned, xhe is NOT a slave... xhe is a free individual, in the decision process to determine where and to whom xhe wishes to yield hir authority... or in the decision process of being prepared to allow that authority to be stripped away from hir. Until that happens, however, xhe is just another free person, not a slave. Being of submissive nature may increase the probability that one could eventually end up in an "enslavement dynamic", but that is not a guarantee.

My utilization of the term reflects the time frame in between relations where the individual is engaging in proactive housekeeping in preparation for future endeavors. Personal development is often a big factor as is mitigating the behaviors that provide barriers to the ownership she seeks. My approach is detailed and well documented. I place a premise on being able to substantiate what I've accomplished in the smeantime. Resting on ones laurels or merely desiring a partnership wouldn't coincide with the criteria I apply.

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/7/2010 9:21:16 AM

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With the above in mind, I find that it is not surprising, nor should it be unexpected, that individuals who are not currently in existing authority-based dynamics would pick and choose who they will or will not obey, until such time as they yield to someone. Until that time, in my mind, they are NOT SLAVES... they are free persons inclined to pursue authority-based dynamics.

Thoughts?

Hello Dame Calla:

In my mind, the English language frequently allows multiple definitions for the same word. I have no problem with treating the word "slave" with two different meanings.

a) Someone who is currently owned.
b) Someone who wishes to be owned.

I can speak to my own history with Carol. When we embarked on this path, I called her my "slave". In the very beginning, this was much more a statement of intent than a statement of fact. The authority I wielded over her was minuscule compared with what I wield today. Honestly, I strongly suspect that the authority I wield over Carol today will be less than what I wield over her 2 years from now. So at what point did we cross the line and become "actually M/s"?? While I'm at it, I'm pretty sure that what I think of as "total" power exchange is not what others think of it. So while we may have crossed some imaginary line into M/s between Carol and I, would others agree?

In the end, the only reason I care about someone's owned vs. unowned status is within the larger context of their actual relationship experience. In the end, I'm interested in building a life-long sustainable relationship. Comments from folks who are actually succeeding at that goal carry more weight with me than those who are speculating about it. Things like "past experience", "present experience", and "good sound theory" all get mixed into a hopper and out of that comes some score in my head which describes how relevant I think the poster's comments are to my actual problems and goals.

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RE: Un-owned "slaves" - 7/7/2010 10:50:44 AM

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So at what point did we cross the line and become "actually M/s"??

I wanted to address this one small piece, in the context of what I posted. See, for me, the intent is the deciding factor -- but it is a communal intent... so at the point at which you called Carol "slave", and the point at which she accepted that designation, regardless of what level of authority was in place, you became Master and slave... My comment was less about the level of control (as, even in high-protocol situations, there is a wide variation between those who enjoy absolute micromanagement and those who prefer a more delegated management style), as it was about the necessity for mutual intent, and my personal "scope of concept" that says that "slavery" is a state that only occurs in communion with another individual who exhibits "mastery".

On a side note, I'm -so- sorry that I missed seeing you on your way through town. I kept checking to see if you'd messaged. I hope we can arrange a meeting at some point in the near future. I suspect that we would have interesting discussions.

Calla

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