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Brain -> Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/2/2010 11:23:34 PM)

Of course, if it's not on Fox New it has to be propaganda to some people.


Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage

BEDFORD, Ohio — Factory owners have been adding jobs slowly but steadily since the beginning of the year, giving a lift to the fragile economic recovery. And because they laid off so many workers — more than two million since the end of 2007 — manufacturers now have a vast pool of people to choose from.

Yet some of these employers complain that they cannot fill their openings.

Plenty of people are applying for the jobs. The problem, the companies say, is a mismatch between the kind of skilled workers needed and the ranks of the unemployed.

Economists expect that Friday’s government employment report will show that manufacturers continued adding jobs last month, although the overall picture is likely to be bleak. With the government dismissing Census workers, more jobs might have been cut than added in June.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/business/economy/02manufacturing.html?_r=5&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all


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Nineveh -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 2:00:44 AM)

Easy fix here.  Unpaid internships to train employees.  They can make them competitive like the financial firms do.




DarkSteven -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 4:23:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nineveh

Easy fix here.  Unpaid internships to train employees.  They can make them competitive like the financial firms do.


Yeah, that's what SHOULD happen.  But my guess is that this is a preliminary to "there's nobody qualified in the States so we need to get permission to hire from abroad".  If so, expect quite a bit of flak and possible even riots.




servantforuse -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 5:47:25 AM)

Have you seen the latest employment numbers ? In the week just ended there was a net loss of 75,000 jobs. Factory jobs are not returning.




Musicmystery -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 7:48:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nineveh

Easy fix here.  Unpaid internships to train employees.  They can make them competitive like the financial firms do.

Not so easy. Simple skills can be learned on the job, but professional skills take time, and adults can't just work for nothing while they might possibly be hired at the end of the internship.

Education funding, including higher education, would be a tremendous investment in our future. But try getting that through in this political climate (generally, not just this particular time snapshot).




Musicmystery -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 7:50:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Have you seen the latest employment numbers ? In the week just ended there was a net loss of 75,000 jobs. Factory jobs are not returning.

Credit is still tight, and with unfavorable terms, business aren't taking the steps they might otherwise pursue.

I don't see any short term solution.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 8:12:39 AM)

Tried to read the link ... but it is password protected ... so I don't know what it says.

However, on the surface, I find it a little hard to believe, they can't find skilled manufacturing workers, in Ohio ... or Michigan or Indiana ... for that matter!

Something doesn't feel right about this ... is there a way you can post the definition of "the kind of skilled workers needed" ?

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Yeah, that's what SHOULD happen. But my guess is that this is a preliminary to "there's nobody qualified in the States so we need to get permission to hire from abroad". If so, expect quite a bit of flak and possible even riots.



Exactly what I suspect also Steven ... it is easy for me to believe this is the root of it.

Because in this area of the country ... Legal Immigration, is a bigger problem ... than people realize!





rulemylife -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 8:26:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Tried to read the link ... but it is password protected ... so I don't know what it says.



Membership is free, you just need to enter an e-mail address and choose a password.




juliaoceania -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 8:41:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nineveh

Easy fix here.  Unpaid internships to train employees.  They can make them competitive like the financial firms do.


You are assuming they would need the type of skilled workers that would be amongst the ranks of college students, that is probably not the types of skills they need. Internships go to college students, so you have to find college students that would want factory jobs. Most college students I know are spending 10s of thousands on a college education, they are not spending this to get a factory job... just sayin'


I think this is where the interests of corporate america to invest in our people comes in... educating people to perform the work you need done is a part of the cost of doing business. If you want people to have those skills you need to pay to train them. Education is not free, and I am really tired of corporations trying to get a skilled workforce without paying for it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 8:47:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I think this is where the interests of corporate america to invest in our people comes in... educating people to perform the work you need done is a part of the cost of doing business. If you want people to have those skills you need to pay to train them. Education is not free, and I am really tired of corporations trying to get a skilled workforce without paying for it.

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Louve00 -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:07:56 AM)

Something doesn't sound right here.  My first job ever was in a McDlonald's and believe it or not, even they trained me on how to cook a hamburger, how to fry french fries, those little fried apple pies when they sold them.  Taught me how to make everything from coffee to milkshakes and then taught me how to clean up (wash the floors, do the dishes, clean the bathrooms...on down the line) after the store closed.  My second job after McDonald's was a factory job.  We made sonobouy's that detected (russian) submarines in our waters.  I worked a number of different jobs in that factory and they trained me on every single job I did.  They even taught the people who worked in the warehouses, stacking the sonobouys to drive forklifts.  And now, factories are complaining that their laborers aren't skilled?  When did they start assuming laborers came out of the womb already skilled...or are they just asssuming that knowledge comes to them by osmosis, somehow? 

**Editted to add....after the factory, I went back to college to get a degree in respiratory therapy.  When I got my degree, passed the state AND national boards, and got hired in a hospital....the hospital still trained me!!




domiguy -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:11:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Have you seen the latest employment numbers ? In the week just ended there was a net loss of 75,000 jobs. Factory jobs are not returning.



Did you include the loss of the census workers in that figure?


We are a nascar nation. We don't value education. How are you supposed to find quality employees with our horrendous high school drop out rate?

Johnny can't read and doesn't possess a strong work ethic....Fuck Johnny.


I would hire anyone other than Johnny. FInd my employees overseas or place it in the hands of legal immigrants that can read, will show up and get the job done.




Musicmystery -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:21:01 AM)

In my consulting days, I once designed a program for four area manufacturers participating in a funded pilot to train unskilled welfare folks to these factory jobs--circuit board soldering, some computer work, stuff like that.

A HUGE part of the program, though, was basic job search and life management skills. The employers complained that when the people they hired weren't sure what to do---they just left. Literally left, never to be seen again, not even to pick up a check. We're talking simple coping skills here against a lifetime of defeatism and uncertainty.

While it's simple enough, though, it's not the kind of thing corporations are at all prepared to deal with or train for. And not just this bottom sector--ask anyone who works with traditional and adult students at a community college--a large part of this education is learning self-confidence, how to learn, persistence, completion of tasks, time management, asking for help when needed, recognizing when that need arises---all this along with actually mastering program content.

Again, not something a corporation is prepared to deal with. It's among the reasons they look for college graduates.




MissAsylum -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:27:41 AM)

i agree with domi....and i can't believe i said that.




juliaoceania -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:38:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In my consulting days, I once designed a program for four area manufacturers participating in a funded pilot to train unskilled welfare folks to these factory jobs--circuit board soldering, some computer work, stuff like that.

A HUGE part of the program, though, was basic job search and life management skills. The employers complained that when the people they hired weren't sure what to do---they just left. Literally left, never to be seen again, not even to pick up a check. We're talking simple coping skills here against a lifetime of defeatism and uncertainty.

While it's simple enough, though, it's not the kind of thing corporations are at all prepared to deal with or train for. And not just this bottom sector--ask anyone who works with traditional and adult students at a community college--a large part of this education is learning self-confidence, how to learn, persistence, completion of tasks, time management, asking for help when needed, recognizing when that need arises---all this along with actually mastering program content.

Again, not something a corporation is prepared to deal with. It's among the reasons they look for college graduates.



I grew up in a small town with lots of people who lacked a college education. These people held low paying jobs, obtaining a job was hard and it was competitive. Employers were demanding, and they could afford to be. The reason they could be picky is that these high school educated people were skilled enough to the point if you were not willing to jump through hoops, they could easily replace you.

Now I have been to community college, and it is as you say, many people lack confidence, etc. I have also been in the real working world, and these people after a few years in the workforce didn't lack confidence at all, and had a great deal of coping skills. I think the issue here is pay scale. As was mentioned earlier, you can import cheaper workers who will have worked in factories before, be regimented to that sort of life, which Americans usually are not. I have done assembly line work. It fucking sucked the life out of me. Anyone that can add two plus two would either be very zen in their ability to do that job, or totally bored out of their mind, or desperate to make money.It is low paying and tedius.

My hunch is they don't wanna pay for the "skills".... And even literate Americans have ADD these days which would impede their ability to do this work for a pittance...

Now I don't know for sure, I am guessing, but I would not be surprised if they in fact wanted to import workers so they don't have to pay them very much and put up with people who do not want to do tedius soul sucking job




servantforuse -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:49:46 AM)

Maybe these factories that looking for skilled workers should just hire back the employees they layed off.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:51:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: domiguy


We don't value education. How are you supposed to find quality employees with our horrendous high school drop out rate?

Johnny can't read and doesn't possess a strong work ethic.....


Yes, there is substance to this point. And it is especially true in urban school systems.

But it is also true, in the Midwest ... there are a lot of ...

Highly Trained, Experienced, Skilled Manufacturing workers, who are begging for jobs.

And many college grads, too.

So I still have my doubts about the real reason ... these "employers" can't find skilled workers.

Something just doesn't pass the smell test.




juliaoceania -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:52:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Maybe these factories that looking for skilled workers should just hire back the employees they layed off.


We have been moving away from a manufacturing economy for decades.... those people were laid off in 1990[:D]




Lucylastic -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:52:42 AM)

Are they willing to pay the same wages???




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Factory Jobs Return, but Employers Find Skills Shortage (7/3/2010 9:54:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


those people were laid off in 1990


Try the last two years ... sorry ... it just doesn't make sense.




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