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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 1:48:51 PM

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when I look at (not the juwes writing) but the leather apron and others and the travel of direction from all the piecemeal accounts of sighting and times he had to have taken from the murders he had to live in the far southeastern direction of london or was a sailor headed for the docks, and for that reason I like the sailor for the job.

One of the interesting things about it is that he only killed on weekends or on a public holiday.....which lends weight to someone who wasn't in the area on a daily basis......a sailor would fit that bill.....or perhaps a soldier.....the last bloke seen going into Kelly's hovel was described as 'blotchy faced'......and while scurvy had been eradicated in the navy....it was still common in the army at that time....although scurvy may have rendered someone incapable of commiting murder......

He definitely knew the area........

I think most commentators believe he lived in the area.....in the immediate area. FBI profilers have been involved in this......not an exact science by any means.....based on their experience.....in the immediate area.....

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 1:49:25 PM

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and I have got to correct something I said, I meant east south east, and not southwest

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 1:56:29 PM

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well, that still doesnt disqualify a seaman or military, Whitechapel/spitfals was almost entirely a transients ghetto. Just folks passin thru

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 2:08:06 PM

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The queen is not a world leader. The parliament and PM rule the country. Royal family just provides some sterling drama.

...and their royal welfare (over $48 mill.) is immoral...prima facie.

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 2:25:06 PM

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well, that still doesnt disqualify a seaman or military, Whitechapel/spitfals was almost entirely a transients ghetto. Just folks passin thru

Yeah....plenty of doss houses where you could get a bed for the night.....

And...it's been suggested....quite convincingly and based on documents from the time.....that JTR could have returned to a common lodging and cooked the kidney or heart which he took away with him.....in front of people.....and they wouldn't have batted an eyelid....with offal and all sorts of animal organs being cooked regularly by the poor in those days.....so wandering round with a heart in your pocket and pulling it out before putting it in a frying pan....in front of on lookers....wouldn't have been as risky as is assumed today.......could be an explantion as to what happened to the organs......

And on the military......there's much debate as to whether Martha Tabram was a ripper victim....similarities with the canon 5........and she was last seen in the doorway of a lodgings with a soldier from the coldstream guards.....shortly before she was found murdered in the hall of the same lodgings.....

There was actually a sailor....Thomas Sadler....who was convicted of killing Francis Coles....I think convicted....was certainly tried for it.....in 1891......again...similarities with the 5 victims of the canon.....he had been with her most of the day and was arrested within 15 minutes of the murder spot......but a witness to the Eddowes murder (accepted ripper victim by comtemporray doctors/police and modern day researchers) had a good look at JTR in 1888...and didn't pick out Sadler in a line up......but he did pick out another sailor....William Grainger......in 1893ish...as the man he had seen with Eddowes 5 minutes before she was found mutilated....

Problem being that the East End of London was lawless at that time......heaving with violent gangs....pimps....bullies and the like.....many of whom would have killed a woman for a few shilling......and in the days where you pretty much would have had to have been caught red handed....murder wasn't that risky.....

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 2:43:09 PM

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How did a thread on Liz The Rip-Off become a thread on Jack The Ripper?

Short-changed all round here

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 3:49:38 PM

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Lady E, it is part of the plot to drive you insane.... you see you just THINK they are talking about Jack the Ripper, actually it is code to continue talking about the original topic.

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 3:54:08 PM

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So's James Kelly, come to that.

Harsh considering the polis went looking for him after the last murder.....but he'd done one....to France.

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Though on that level, a case can be made for Montague Druitt as well. The terrible thing that happened to Mary Kelly came before the bloke drowned himself, after all, and he clearly had no use for women.

Poor Monty? The cricker playing barrister? The bloke was playing cricket in Blackheath on the morning following the Kelly murder......so he would have had to have gone some to have made his way back to that part of London and turned out for a spell in the slips as if there was nothing wrong in the world. There is absolutely nothing placing Monty anywhere near the murders....he was named only by MacNaughten.....who wrongly claimed he was a doctor....and called him Doctor D.....with some claiming he was actually talking about an American quack named Francis Tumblety....an interesting character of Irish descent if memory serves....known to house a large collection or organs and was in London at the time....by his own admission....and was bailed for 'gross indecency'........read frequenting male brothels...before skipping bail and fleeing to the US.....where Scotland Yard followed him and tried to track him down....the fact he was gay suggests it wasn't him.....although he's supposed to be the 'Batty Street Lodger' who left bloodied shirts before he fled.....and he was tall....whereas witness statements suggest short and stout....Druitt was too tall too.....

All very true, but he's still a lot more likely than Walter Sickert, though.
And he was batting, not fielding, so that doesn't completely rule it out.

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 3:58:14 PM

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Moonhead, when I saw the thread title I thought you had finally paid the Queen a tribute. I also thought the first chip shop was Harry Ramsdens, which is why her maj likes Yorkies.

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 4:00:37 PM

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RE: Taxpayer Tribute to Queen Announced - 7/7/2010 4:02:46 PM

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