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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/9/2010 5:25:33 PM   
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If Hunk is concerned about Big Brother watching him, wait till its Big Sister!


is she the nanny state?

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/9/2010 8:09:06 PM   
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Damn the economy sure went to hell when women hit 51 percent.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/9/2010 9:56:27 PM   
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Pull the other one, it plays God Save The Queen.
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The women will do as they've long done--sit around with their margaritas, complaining to each other "Where are the real men?" while doing all they can to keep them at bay, least they be swept up.

And the men? The young ones will run themselves silly trying to "convince" them to have sex. The more experienced ones will shrug and go about their day.



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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/9/2010 10:03:10 PM   
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Hoo boy.  No doubt all men in politics are paragons, even the Democrats.  Woulda never thought it of you!
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Based on the women in politics and the women on this board, god help the planet if men are becoming irrelevant.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/10/2010 5:10:57 AM   
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Hoo boy.  No doubt all men in politics are paragons, even the Democrats.  Woulda never thought it of you!
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Based on the women in politics and the women on this board, god help the planet if men are becoming irrelevant.


Well, the Iranians and the Saudis are practically Goreans, so they must be the best politicians on the planet, mustn't they?

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/10/2010 7:39:32 AM   
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I have seen the argument made that women would be more reluctant to send their children off to war. Might that not, if true, be an inhibition or at least a hesitation to act without further diplomatic efforts?


Ummm. . . you might wiki "Sparta," if you think that is true.  Or you could have a look at US History, especially the 1st world war.


I will concede the concept of women reluctant to send their children off to war may be wrong, Aylee, or it may not have had a significant test.

Reaching back to Sparta seems questionable. True that women of the ruling class enjoyed a high degree of equality with men per the Wiki article. However, they were not members of the Senate (Gerousia) which consisted of the two kings and the council of elders who were all men older than age 60. Furthemore, the male children were taken from them at age seven to begin their education and military training which encouraged loyalty to their communal mess hall rather than their families. I failed to find anything to suggest how women had great influence in the war decisions.

I am puzzled by your reference to women's influence in the First World War. Women were not even allowed to vote in any of the major combatant nations until after the war ended, and then they had to campaign for sufferage. I don't see what you see I guess.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/10/2010 8:14:07 AM   
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Hoo boy.  No doubt all men in politics are paragons, even the Democrats.  Woulda never thought it of you!
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Based on the women in politics and the women on this board, god help the planet if men are becoming irrelevant.



Broken sarcasm detector...woulda never thought it of you.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/10/2010 9:00:03 AM   
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Pull the other one, it plays God Save The Queen.
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The women will do as they've long done--sit around with their margaritas, complaining to each other "Where are the real men?" while doing all they can to keep them at bay, least they be swept up.

And the men? The young ones will run themselves silly trying to "convince" them to have sex. The more experienced ones will shrug and go about their day.


Perhaps it does, but it plays over the bar's musak system.

Another round.

To get different results, do different things.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 1:38:02 AM   
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Damn the economy sure went to hell when women hit 51 percent.

Butch


Is that what did it?  fuckin women.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 5:08:04 AM   
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OP direct.

He was an OTR truck driver. Wide loads, haevy loads, and has seen just about every state in the country and has gone across tha Ste San Marie(sp) bridge in a torrentuous blizzrd. He made good money. She eventually got knocked up of course but she had a little local job at the hospital, which afforded her health care. She told him to quit that job.

Since then he ran a few games and also had some good work in the remodeling business. He had plenty experience because his credit was crap and her's was good. He signed over the house he inherited and she used her credit to turn a one bedroom shack into a very mice four badroom house, he did the work.

With the kids, he was the Mom. I was there and we always tried to be a good influence. We wer running game then and the kids were always around us, we kept them from the game but were straight as....... whatever in their presence. But he raised them, and I was Uncle Terminator. Fond memories to be sure.

And now the boy is in his twenties making plenty of money, job affers all over the place. Graduated from UWM with honors after St Ignatius. The girl is now almost twenty, never been pregnant and working, and driving a nicer cat than I am.

They have both become fine upstanding adults, addicted to nothing, no vices no nothing. This IS as good as it gets and I think we need more people like this in the world. The boy holds a distinction in that he was accepted to EVERY university to which he applied, and they were not toga party halls. Ever go to UWM ? They don't fuck around and if you get a degree from them you deserve it. He did it with a double major.

The girl did not go into higher education but might, she did graduate. Right now it's up in the air because she is doing fairly well, and if she can find a real Man to marry will do just fine. But the possibility exists, she just doesn't know what direction to take. But she pays for her own cars, insurance, room and board and all that.

It is hard to estimate how exactly his/our influence affected these kids, but they are prime examples of the type of people we want in the world. Whatever my part was in it I am proud. They are both better human beings than I and did not go through those years of misspent youth. The boy is not even 30 and if you offered hin $30,000 a year to work he would spit on it as he makes almost twice that. The girl is not so rich, but has enough that she cannot be bought. She is about 18 around now and has never needed an EPT, she thinks ahead and is very caeful about sex, knows that you can get knocked up or pickup an STD.

If the future was full of people like this we would be in alot better shape than we are to say the least. And they were raised by a Man named Jack. A Man with similar experinces in life to mine. But we knew that certain things, you just don't expose the kids.

Jack's Father was a criminal. Jack only got hit by his Father one time and that was when he was working at the boneyard, the family busiess, which was long before he had any kids. We did not bestow the same past on these kids to say the least because we realized that it was not right.

Why did Jack get smacked ? There was one truck they owned, and none of the lights were working. No brake lights, nothing. The olman told him to wire them all to toggle switches mounted in easy reach to the driver. Jack said "Why not just fix them right ?". Smack. The olman wanted to do silent running, covert illegal things.

We did not convey our way to these kids, they are upstanding sqeaky clean adults now and they should stay that way. The past is the past for better or worse. Jack's olman almost got the contract to tow every car when is was impounded in this city and considered killing the guy who actually got the contract, and believe me I knew this Man and he would've done it in a heartbeat, but it wouldn't get him the contract.

We kept our life of crime shielded from these kids and neither one of them has had anything more that a traffic ticket. We drank and smoked but neither of them do. They were around for the Frankelite deal which was hilarious. We fucked Sears out of ten grand at least. But they never knew. Right there they were not in the know. The girl was able to walk eventually and we all walked in there, one day Jack says to the girl "Tell Uncle Terminator you want that table saw". This is not bullshit. But the little Terminatrix didn't want that, she had other things on her mind. (yup she was quite attached to me and that's what they called her, no bullshit)

In the old days, the Woman's influence was primary, before it came popular, in this case the Man's influence was primary. Back then we are talking about criminals, but with fucking brains. We knew not to get them involved, we knew just to let them ask and get answers, to let the grow and learn and see. We knew what to do based on the results.

Someone told me that 70% of the workforce in this country is female. Is that so bad ? Despite how bad we were, I am sure our influence was positive on these kids, and the results speak for themselves. So how bad is it really ?

Are some Men going to feel ousted by this ? Oh poor baby LOL This can work this way, I know. It already has.

When your kid comes and meets you at the door after work with a big hug, and it gives you strength to go fight the world another day, does your gender really matter ?

T

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 9:37:15 AM   
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"Someone told me that 70% of the workforce in this country is female"

Someone told you a lie. Its under 47% and isnt projected to break 47% even by 2018.

bls


and btw, women are overrepresented in the highest paying jobs. So much for the myth of the glass ceiling.

"Women accounted for 51 percent of all workers in the high-paying management, professional, and related occupations."

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 11:11:15 AM   
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"Someone told me that 70% of the workforce in this country is female"

Someone told you a lie. Its under 47% and isnt projected to break 47% even by 2018.

bls


and btw, women are overrepresented in the highest paying jobs. So much for the myth of the glass ceiling.

"Women accounted for 51 percent of all workers in the high-paying management, professional, and related occupations."


The "glass ceiling" is felt, so goes the argument, at the highest CEO levels of management. Sheesh, these women. You can't make them happy.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 11:17:10 AM   
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the Iranians and the Saudis are practically Goreans


Huh?

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 12:21:42 PM   
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the Iranians and the Saudis are practically Goreans


Huh?

Not at all taken with women in position of authority, or even with women being allowed to drive or vote. Left leaning Goreans will find them objectionable for other reasons, of course, but I do sometimes get puzzled that the more neocon Gorean element have no time for them.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 12:25:14 PM   
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Oh. Well the problem then is you have a gross misunderstanding about what constitutes Gorean.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 12:30:24 PM   
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Oh. Well the problem then is you have a gross misunderstanding about what constitutes Gorean.

Actually, the problem I have there is more exaggeration for comic effect. (I've read a fair bit of John Norman, though not enough of the related stuff to be aware of how lifestyle Goreans divert from his guidelines over anything besides the sword fighting.)

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 12:34:11 PM   
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Not to mention your characterization describes America not so long ago.

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RE: Are Men Becoming Irrelevant? - 7/11/2010 12:37:20 PM   
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Not to mention your characterization describes America not so long ago.

This is true. I've noticed that's something else that tends not to get mentioned when people in here start ranting about evil Arabs and dhimmitude, isn't it?

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