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juliaoceania -> RE: just me.. ranting. (4/21/2006 2:23:18 PM)

Im new to this "Lovestyle", "lifestyle" or whatever you may want to call it. I consider myself a submissive, I have had BDSM sex, I have followed the guidence of  a Dom, I felt myself completely submit to him,  but it was over a long distance.

I do not consider myself a lifestyler... But I am a submissive by my own self definition because it is how I have ALWAYS been comfortable relating to every man that has been in my life.

I want to ask someone that is posting on this thread who defines who we are? Should I let some other person that posts on a site that claims to be a lifestyler define whether or not I am a sub or a bottom for example? Must I have a lifetime membership to the local organization in my city? Must I have served someone in a TPE relationship for 5 years and pass a TPE oral exam with a written component?

I am here to learn about BDSM as what I see as a lovestyle in my relationship on the terms of my future dominant, and I know that it is only him that needs to see me as his submissive. I really don't care of people at munches think I am a top or a bottom or a sideways, I really just want the approval of my One.

What I am wondering is if a dom or a sub needs to be actively domming or subbing to be this in your opinion? Is this like being hetro or gay, you just are what you are, it really doesnt matter if you are having sex with someone or not? Curious to see an answer or two if anyone reads this

On Edit: My BDSM experiences was not cyber, but he did live a long ways away




moon69 -> RE: Is it just me? (4/21/2006 2:26:53 PM)

If you are "new" to this "lifestyle" then you are only discovering that others are out there like you and how vast and deep its history  etc.  Dont be swayed by any labeling of it being "gay" or "hetero" and the like, as those issues (and many others tend to arise).  Just realize as I think you have, that you are comfortable with and discovering who you are in this atmosphere.   People and places like this are designed (hopefully) to help with it.  Go with the flow and continue to evolve...




moon69 -> RE: Is it just me? (4/21/2006 2:41:54 PM)

I just always love how the open minded tend to be so unaccepting themselves at times.....
If you want 24/7....great.  If you want 1-2/7...great.  If you want a couple of times a week...great.   If you want someone to piss on you....great.  If you dont....great.  It all boils down to the same thing....finding someone who is into the similar aspects as you are, learning and evolving with them.  Seems alot of frustration at finding that tends to be spoken here and sometimes, yes I agree, some tend to label others just because they may not want a TPE 24/7.  Some of us would love that.....others may not.  Revel in the variety people.... its what makes us all able to be a part and similar in respect to this lifestyle.  (*which also lends itself to areas outside of this lifestyle as well..... )
Just be careful that in seeking what you want you are not so swayed by it that you miss out and never get, or give, the chance of discovering it....   as we all have discovered, learned, or evolved in this lifestyle or interest.




Kedikat -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 1:46:50 AM)

I totally agree with moon69.
The only problems are with folks who do not tell all in their profiles.
As if 3 kids is an afterthought that makes no difference. That you have no intention of ever moving but dangle yourself to someone half a world away. Ones who have no limits, but have no idea what the limits beyond missionary position are.
I don't fault the newbies too much. They often don't know what they don't know. But there are many who know exactly what manipulations they are peretrating. Many who are Dom or sub at the mercy of their personal flaws.
This realm is no different than everyday life. Trying to tell who is wearing masks, and who is not.
Hmmmmm have I lost track of the point here........




glitterdragon -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 2:28:05 AM)

I have a question. I consider myself a sub. but after reading some of the responses to this post I kind of questioned it. I occasionally like to refuse to do something or fight back and be "put in my place"(in and out of the bedroom). Does that mean I'm not a sub. or what? Silly question but I'm a little confused.




obis -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 2:46:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: glitterdragon

I have a question. I consider myself a sub. but after reading some of the responses to this post I kind of questioned it. I occasionally like to refuse to do something or fight back and be "put in my place"(in and out of the bedroom). Does that mean I'm not a sub. or what? Silly question but I'm a little confused.


Not necessarily, many subs are bratty or willful, or at least CAN be depending on the master.




Dustyn -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 3:11:20 AM)

Well, I've sat here and read through all of these posts, and one constant seems to pop out of all of them.

"We're here for one reason, one reason only, and that's all there is to it."

Balderdash.  Some serious ego's puffing up here at the moment, and they all need to just deflate for just a few minutes.

Take a good, long look at how most all of us started.  Did you just jump right on in, all willy nilly, and instantly be this, that or the other dog?  No, you probably started out hesitantly, finding what you liked, what you hated, and everything in between.

"Oh, I'm only R/L, blah, blah, blah fricken blah."

First off, yer posting on the Internet web forum for an Internet website and you only consider yourself R/L?  What are you doing here, admiring the scenery?  No, because rarely will you find someone within, say, 50 miles of you that you think might be a decent match for you maybe, so you look online.  The relationship starts online, and maybe it stays there and maybe it doesn't.  R/L means you have no interaction, regardless of the role you want to fill, with others online.  That includes sharing knowledge/wisdom.  We're all, and I do mean ALL, at least vaguely C/T here.

Second, no one was born with the knowledge they have, especially as it corresponds to bdsm.  Nope, not gonna buy that one.  In ages past, it was all taught first hand and by word of mouth.  Now we have the Internet and suddenly it's so 'disgusting' that there are all these 'wannabe' people dashing hither, thither and yon.  Ever think that maybe they are just coming out of the woodwork and trying to find a place to learn more, be it about themselves or the things that they are interested in?  Naaahhhh, that CAN'T be it, can it?

If you don't like the profile you are reading, stop reading it.  Is that really such a major stretch of the imagination to figure out?  So there are some people running around here that only want a little kink, or whatever short ended limits they want to indulge.  Some people on here are probably looking to be a human ashtray.  Big deal.  BDSM is really just a blanket term for anything beyond the accepted limits of normal society thinks is okay.  There are some genreally accepted concepts that are loosely viewed as rules, but beyond that, no one on here has exactly identical kink/fascinations/(fill in the blank) as anyone else around here.

Don't like it, don't look, but do not stand up there on your pulpit and preach that this is the way things should be and that's the end of it simply because you dictated it tot he masses.  Would you want it done to you?  How about back when BDSM was listed as a mental defect and you could be hrown in the looney bin for it?  That's the other end of the spectrum, but so close it might as well be a twin brother of standing up and demanding that everyone take BDSM as seriously as you do.

Live and let live.  Attack and you will most likely end up being attacked eventually.

Sorry if I pissed anyone off here, but Holier Than Thou attitudes tend to rub me the wrong way.  That said, I firmly believe in everything I've written here.

- Dustyn




juliaoceania -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 9:28:07 AM)

Wow, that was an impressive rant, I am thoroughly in awe




LthrdWolf -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 9:36:12 AM)

In a few words ...Well put Dustyn.

LthrdWolf




tasha_tart -> RE: just me.. ranting. (4/22/2006 11:42:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

In my now world famous humble opinion it is the internet has been both a massive boon and a great bane on WIIWD.  People call relationships 24/7 that don't even live together, people start their sacred count of experience from the first time they tied some girl up with a bedsheet even if they were celibate for the next decade.  Long distant relationships are vastly different and easier than actually learning to live with someone.

Plus add in all the BS people wrap themselves in for the long scramble to claim some sort of Alpha male status.  How many claim to be "old guard" when by definition you needed to be gay and entered S&M in the 50's and early 60s.  Same BS goes for submissives, there is a discussion somewhere else here about "high end submissives" and other nonsense.  So many try and climb to the top of whatever label dungheap they claim ownership of and do it by trying to talk everyone else down.

Is it any wonder that someone new having waded through the morass of conflicting messages, cultures, illusions, and outright fraud arrives here a bit confused?  I try and cut new people some slack, direct them to what I believe are solid, healthy resources like www.soj.org, www.tes.org, www.greenerypress.com, all real world groups run by very very grounded people.

As always, YMMV...


Well said.
 
This site, and others like it, are open to all.  Of course this will bring in people that don't fit someone's definition of what is right and proper in the world.  Failing the investiture of the Supreme, All-Seeing, Omnipotent, High and Mighty BDSM Council to rule on the worthiness of candidates to join Collarme, this is likely to continue.
 
Get used to it.  If you really can't stomach it, don't visit a site such as this.
 
Oh...by the way...to all those fighting the battle for the how they think BDSM is, was, and shall be evermore, amen...just remember, there is almost certainly someone just as sincere, intolerant, and self-righteous who thinks you are the one destroying the BDSM universe!
 
Tasha




understud -> RE: just me.. ranting. (4/22/2006 12:11:15 PM)

As i really have no right to an opinion; or so i have been told on occasion, and might i add, not on the posting boards; nevertheless here goes. I agree the categories are too limited in nature and scope to fully express just what a person is after. I use my journal and hoped people would at least read it before the ubiquitous...on you knees slave e-mails started...Boy was i dumb ...duh.  Another problem i've ran into and away from at times, people either inadvertently or on purpose make unclear statements . I tend to believe these glitches are for the most part an accident. I know what i want and will not bother people who clearly are not what i seek. So then is it the system of descriptions; or the understanding of the system in use to qualify what you are and want; or is it some people just don't care, and has been noted to the nth degree, out for whatever they can get. If i mail someone, it's because i saw or read ; through other post similarities  in that individual and a belief this might work. guess i'm still just a naive nubee sub, but there it is, and to each their own, i wish you all well and the best of everything
regards and always respectful 

understud




Areflectionofyou -> RE: Is it just me? (4/22/2006 12:34:13 PM)

It happens to all of us...i was given the most whopper of lies in my Last M/s relationship. For some honesty is lying.




slavejali -> RE: just me.. ranting. (4/22/2006 12:47:15 PM)

Had to think about this topic for a minute or two before posting.

When I first joined the internet, I would have been seen, well actually, I "was" seen as a player and someone who didnt take bdsm or Master/slave relationships seriously and that the main thing I was interested in communicating about was sex and *superficial* aspects of life. I just wasnt *serious* enough to be taken *seriously*.

Now the reality was, I had lived in a RT Master/slave relationship and had total respect for this lifestyle but I really couldnt equate internet communications with anything real, it was a playground for me, like an interactive game, perfect avenue for me to distract my mind from soemthing I was going through in RT. (Little did I know at the time that this interactive game would lead me back to this lifestyle lol).

I mention this because some of the things I have noticed over my couple of years on the internet is:

1. Sure there are people who use the internet purely as a form of sexual fantasy....but a lot of the time it is the people acting *seriously* about bdsm and Master/slave relationships that are the ones totally immeshed in the fantasy sexual aspects although would never admit this to themselves.

2. A lot of the times people who are blatantly being sexual on the internet, unashamedly so, are often more honest. They have put the internet in its place, kinda like reading a porn magazine or watching a porn video, its a means to get off, something to fill in some time...when they actually have a real life...and may have had or are involved in bdsm RT....even if they havent, at least they are being honest about what they are using the internet for and they would earn a brownie point with me *grin*


Guess I'm just saying, dont write off people immediately who seem to be just on here to have fun, it could actually mean something good about them.

Agree though, if a person is writing a profile stating they are searching for someone, being as clear as possible about what they actually are looking for and are prepared to participate in, would be the sensible thing to do. It would save a lot of time and grief.




CreativeDominant -> RE: just me.. ranting. (4/22/2006 4:51:00 PM)

I have found this thread to be very interesting, for several reasons:

I think some posters on here took the original post and misread what the gentleman was stating... he was expressing frustration with those who post one thing on their profile and then do something else entirely. That is not a judgement...it is truth. That being said, as several others have stated, "this (the lying, false profile, mistakes made in describing interests, whatever) is different from real life...how?

I have been involved in D/s / BDSM for approx. 8 years now. Has all of it been on the net? Nope. Has all of it been outside the net? Nope. (witness my being here). I've met and dealt with all kinds of people...those slaves who think that you aren't "totally submissive" until you become a slave, those dominants who think that the details of submission and responsibilities of dominance are to be worked out sometime AFTER the submissive first 'proves' how submissive they are by how quickly they satisfy the command of "down on your knees, bitch and suck me off NOW!!", etc.. I've met those who "want to thoroughly submit...who need to be with the One who dominates me" and then have found that when it came down to moving, that they've suddenly found that I was not quite that One. I've met some very good (IMHO) dominants and submissives and switches and tops and bottoms and you know what? I learned something from all that I have met.

There is nothing wrong with not wanting 24/7. There is nothing wrong with not wanting only bedroom D/s. There is nothing wrong with wanting only D/s without BDSM. There is nothing wrong with wanting only BDSM without D/s. There is nothing wrong with realizing that for you, this is the end-all, be-all but...there is nothing wrong with recognizing that it is not. Therefore, the only wrong thing is deliberate dishonesty. Will it be found here? Yep. Is it frustrating? Hell, yes. But again...that differs from real life...how?

Some who post are not being deliberately dishonest...at that point in time, they may have posted what they felt they were and yet, as time went on and they met people and they learned, that changed BUT their profile did not. Should they change their profile? Maybe. But there is no rule that they must. I choose to constantly review my profile even though, here at least, it is new. That's me. It may not be you or anyone else.




Bearlee -> RE: just me.. ranting. (5/6/2006 2:09:29 PM)

I agree with CD, for some the original question seemed to be lost.  It seems to me that, on the most basic level, we all come here to 'meet' other people.  IMHO, it would make the most sense (economical use of time?) to state clearly what you are about...interested in...and respond to those who match your interests to one degree or another and hope such people respond to you.  Clearly that is not always the case.

For that reason, I think we all need to use our heads and just know there is going to be some necessary weeding to be done.  Who knows what drives people to contact people with whom they have nothing in common?  Who knows why some people seem to come to groups solely to be ugly or shocking?  Who knows why others find it exciting to lie and make stuff up as they go along?  The sad thing is this is NOT limited to the internet; this goes on every day in real-life.  I will no longer be amazed by what some people will do.  The most amazing thing to me is that some people are shocked by it.

When I was a kid I sold encyclopedias door to door.  We were taught it was a numbers game; "Do not take 'no' personally...you need lots of no's to find the yes's."  Perhaps it's like pearls; you must open a bunch of oysters to find one!  With regard to finding people with whom we want some sort of relationship, I think we have to expect to wade through a bunch of them who are just not our cup of tea.  <shrugs> 

Back to what CD had to say, it would be nice if people treated profiles as 'living documents' and kept them current; but not all do and some become out of date.  I don't find that nearly as unsettling as out and out lies, though.  However, the flags are there; one just has to ask questions, pay attention and be responsible for what it is you want yourself. (...use common sense?)




LadyHugs -> RE: Is it just me? (5/6/2006 3:36:52 PM)

Dear LoganStrange, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I thank you for approaching the problem of what the entire "lifestyle" and or D/s, M/s, S&M and, in some ways life itself proffers.

I admit I am one of those old ladies late bloomer to the computer age.  However, I did get a bit of a laugh, as to nearly fall out of my chair, when I watched dominant men claim they were Old Guard.  The only thing they were, was just plain old.  Most confessed they just wanted "sex" their way, command, control, humiliation -- more of a "get even" mentality.  However, the behaviors the community tolerated then are much more stated then they are today.  But, it still remains the problem today.  I realize that this is not only a problem with male dominants, it is also present in the female dominant ranks.  It saddens me, how so many use the title of dominant as a means "to get even."  That wasn't the mentality of my time.

Everybody, to include me--wants to be part of the group, not an outsider.  Some will do it by the old fashioned antiquated way I did, which took a lot of time, effort and hard work, as to also phase from slave into a "Master" (Master was the only titles used other than for assigned positions, such as Mistress of the wardrobe, etc.)
However, so many have no patience in earning their knowledge, so they cheat.  The Internet aids in cheating, as they take words printed of somebody else's experiences and making it into their own.  I have had students who I have divorced and have disclaimers on, for doing that very same thing.  If they had done what I did, with their age, they would be in a collar at age 4.  Not realistic and to this day, skills might be fine but, a Master he is not.  Anybody can be an excellent "technical" whip master however, they could not dominate an old dog, retired from obedience training.

As another dominant has written, CM has not really given the proper room/space and or perhaps consideration of how diverse the lifestyle has become.  But, as most will admit -- "Sex sells."  We all can't pick up a BDSM film, book or reference without sex shoved into our faces.  This is why I do not buy any books, BDSM films.  Sex is a draw but, for me and so many others, we aren't all about "sex"--we are human beings that seek a dignified acceptance, respect, appreciation for our chosen roles.  But, as I digress in memories, the lifestyle was not wrapped around sex but, how I/we may help another? 

It is my belief, that people's individual "spirit of intent" determines if the approach and or the use of any site offered as a means to form a group and or community, will serve from the original spirit of purpose on creating a site in the first place.  Once a site is launched the people who make it "a vehicle" gives it a different "life" as to, perhaps; the original intent. 

Humans are the best manipulators on the earth.  This is why those who resist allowing the worst of our nature take hold and forever strive to keep our best of our nature have the worst time of it.  Our worst of our nature is so easy to surrender to and it is a struggle to remain on the good side.  This is where, the lifestyle (to me alone) helped keep the best/good of our/my nature in the front, as to mute the more powerful traits of humanity.

Those who seek to serve, have a high calling, to which few will ever have the strength, the intent, the endurance to maintain.  This is why service slaves are so rare and are rarer still, as years past; as they are treated like useless antiques.  Yet, to me--it is a noble calling, to which allows the slave to present a dominant as something they package for public consumption and or, to present as a representation of what can be, could be and or may be through inspiration and not by fitting into the public's perception of what is "true" M/s, D/s, BDSM and or S&M.

Perhaps the major frustration, is the inability for old fashioned M/s minded individuals, to separate ourselves from the kinky sex culture and or the recreational BDSM culture. 

My personal joy, when having a service slave in my household, is having someone being my guard, steward/butler, representative and the gentleman who frees me from chores, as to focus myself on how to lift my service slave into a joyful relationship, where serving is not a chore but, pleasure--as all things he touches, is merely an extention of me.  So, he touches me at all times and I him.  He is not a sex toy--but a sensitive being, with human needs, wants and dreams.  My duty is, how may I be of service to him, as to reach those dreams.

Therefore, those who have no focus or dreams, really have no direction as to start the journey and until they find their guide, all individuals just want to be embraced and accepted.  Just their methods are skewed and say things that people seemingly want to hear, rather than saying what seasoned individuals need to hear.

So, LoganStrange -- it is not you.  If nobody knows what is, how can they seek honestly.  If they do not have a history to learn from, how can any appreciate and or embrace history and to honor the tradition.  If nobody knows what use to be an honorable style of life, how can they expect to be inspired by it.

Have courage and be of the standard you are and or carry.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Is it just me? (5/6/2006 4:09:45 PM)

No its not just you...but in defense of CM,I have 3 submissives celebrating 1 year of service before the end of October.I also have 2 more that have been coming for about 6 months.

Besides being a Pro I also have a live in slave girl (bishop) and a slave boi (holly)who doesnt live in, its not just about making money its how I live.While its discouraging to get the mail of those just looking for sex...I plug along until I find someone who is a perfect fit.Its sad that people just assume that BDSM and sex go hand in hand.

I dont think this site is any different than a vanilla one when it comes to people using deception.

I do take some comfort in knowing not all people are that way.
You know the old saying...Have to kiss a lot of frogs...blah blah blah




MistressImp -> RE: Is it just me? (5/6/2006 4:28:23 PM)

Okay I'm coming in late.... but I'm coming in anyway with.... when I've been messaged from someone looking for a 24/7 situation I simply respond..... I'm am not interested in 24/7 because I have a life outside the lifestyle.




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