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juliaoceania -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:39:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal I have read many news stories where tazers have been used in situations that cops used to give verbal instructions... an example "freeze where you are or I will shoot"

thornhappy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:41:08 AM)
Ok, I'm going to step up here on "a majority are obviously very self destructive". I lived there most of my life, worked there most of my career. How are you reaching this conclusion? Exactly which populations are very self destructive? quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I talk about the policies that are destroying California, I never said I hated the people even though a majority of Californians are obviously very self destructive. I don't even hate you... as I've said before, you're fun. You're a fun airhead, you don't even realize what you're writing half the time which can be a riot. But look at the Californias budget problems, and the difficulty the elected representatives there are having coming to grips with it. You on the other hand act as though you hate everyone in my state even though there are many who are politically very similar to you.

pahunkboy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:42:03 AM)
I dont know what happened to this thread- but it sure took a turn for the worst. No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race? I missed the eplosive post. But see plenty of antagonistic posts- to fuel the fire.

pahunkboy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:44:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: winterlight I feel bad for a human being that has lost his life and for his family. Nothing will change what has happened. All are affected either by death or by the trauma of what has happened to their loved ones. I am sure there will be a lawsuit and I cannot blame them but it will never, ever bring that person back no matter what the circumstances in any town, city or place anywhere in the world. No matter where this happens nobody wins.. My thoughts and prayers to all.. Good point. That area is frought with gangs. We all could be thankful our neighborhoods are not that bad.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:44:59 AM)
quote: No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race? Well yeah, when you have a black man shot execution style, unarmed, laying prone of the floor by a white cop and that white cop is convicted on a lesser charge by an all white jury... this does have a racial element... Does that mean the cop shot the dude because he was black? Hmmmmm.... I dunno because I was not on the jury, but I can say I wish the diversity of jurors would have reflected the diversity of the population where the crime was committed.

TheHeretic -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:46:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal That's a true statement, Sanity, whether it fits Julia's template (delusion?) about how cops should operate or not. Tone it down a bit though, will you?

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:46:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic SL4, we have done this before, and I've seen the lengths you will go to in avoiding an admission that you were talking out your ass. A hardcore street fight is a situation, not a reference to some sub-culture you may have seen a documentary on. It only takes one participant to drag a fight to that level. What is the point in comparing apples and oranges? The police shouldn't have their choices governed by adrenaline like the rest of us occasionally fall victim to. There is no excuse good enough for an innocent man being shot by the police, none. It was an imaginative defence for someone losing control of a situation they should have been able to deal with as they've probably dealt with on previous occasions many times. Are we saying that being shot is the likely result of laying face down on the floor whilst reaching in your pocket for an item? You hold the police to such a low standard it seems. Funny as it may appear but when a member of the public is threatened by the police they don't always act rationally and they can't always follow commands being barked at them; due to stress. Anyone could have reacted the same and looked in their pockets to check their belongings in that situation and so anyone could have died. Why paint the victim as anything but a member of public shot dead by the police?

Sanity -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:47:59 AM)
I gave an example in my post, thornhappy - the people of California keep electing extremely Liberal representatives who are undeniably wrecking Californias economy. quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Ok, I'm going to step up here on "a majority are obviously very self destructive". I lived there most of my life, worked there most of my career. How are you reaching this conclusion? Exactly which populations are very self destructive? quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I talk about the policies that are destroying California, I never said I hated the people even though a majority of Californians are obviously very self destructive. I don't even hate you... as I've said before, you're fun. You're a fun airhead, you don't even realize what you're writing half the time which can be a riot. But look at the Californias budget problems, and the difficulty the elected representatives there are having coming to grips with it. You on the other hand act as though you hate everyone in my state even though there are many who are politically very similar to you.

Sanity -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:50:45 AM)
Tone it down even more, huh... [:D] I try TheHeretic. I try... quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic That's a true statement, Sanity, whether it fits Julia's template (delusion?) about how cops should operate or not. Tone it down a bit though, will you?

thornhappy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:50:59 AM)
Didn't know the part where the police get called if someone's walking down the street, eh (white or black)? aka The Oakland Hills, where it's very very pricy and very very white. A friend of mine lived up in the Hills and I'd go visit with no qualms. Another was living on disability (legally blind) and lived on the Flats, where he had free rent for managing a few apartments. I wouldn't go out there at night, and I wouldn't walk around there by myself. It was getting rough enough that my company wasn't renewing service contracts there. Between the Hills and the Flats was mixed, but that was over 20 years ago. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a lot of gentrification in the area considering the cost of housing in the state, especially once the Maze was demolished. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity 20 questions? [:D] I was stationed near there for a couple of years and I know the area well enough. No, they're not all mean and they're not all black... and I'd say most streets with rioters on them easily fall into the "mean" category. quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Which streets of Oakland are you talking about, Sanity? Are all of them mean streets? Are all of them black? Have you lived there before?

juliaoceania -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:51:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Bullshit, they'd beat them with night sticks or mace the hell out of them and then beat them. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The problem is that the tazer becomes the weapon of first choice, when cops used to try to actually talk to people. Now, often they tazer them.... in my experience talking is hardly ever lethal That's a true statement, Sanity, whether it fits Julia's template (delusion?) about how cops should operate or not. Tone it down a bit though, will you? Seems that my view is supportable by those who study the issue as being a complex one http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/centers/scjc/library/tasers.pdf

pahunkboy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:53:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race? Well yeah, when you have a black man shot execution style, unarmed, laying prone of the floor by a white cop and that white cop is convicted on a lesser charge by an all white jury... this does have a racial element... Does that mean the cop shot the dude because he was black? Hmmmmm.... I dunno because I was not on the jury, but I can say I wish the diversity of jurors would have reflected the diversity of the population where the crime was committed. I dont know the details. So you got me there. I will say that I am in no hurry for the gang problems that Oakland has to end up in my neck of the woods. As it is Harrisburg and Williamsport are fraught with problems. So- I guess I did not pay attention to this case. It does seem that there has to be ways of working it out tho. When gangs take over- everyone suffers. Everyone.

juliaoceania -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 11:56:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: No one here was on the jury. Yet once again- it somehow is about race? Well yeah, when you have a black man shot execution style, unarmed, laying prone of the floor by a white cop and that white cop is convicted on a lesser charge by an all white jury... this does have a racial element... Does that mean the cop shot the dude because he was black? Hmmmmm.... I dunno because I was not on the jury, but I can say I wish the diversity of jurors would have reflected the diversity of the population where the crime was committed. I dont know the details. So you got me there. I will say that I am in no hurry for the gang problems that Oakland has to end up in my neck of the woods. As it is Harrisburg and Williamsport are fraught with problems. So- I guess I did not pay attention to this case. It does seem that there has to be ways of working it out tho. When gangs take over- everyone suffers. Everyone. What do gangs have to do with a policeman not knowing is right from his left?

pahunkboy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:00:27 PM)
What do gangs have to do with a policeman not knowing is right from his left? /snip I am not willing to let my town sink into gangland. and if we have the same incident- I am ok with that.

Sanity -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:00:46 PM)
Reports written in ivory towers are notorious for their ignorance of the harsher reality of the streets. Before cell phone cameras and Internet reporting people of all colors had some seriously bad luck if they dared even to mouth off to the police, all over the country. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Seems that my view is supportable by those who study the issue as being a complex one http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/centers/scjc/library/tasers.pdf

TheHeretic -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:03:36 PM)
Yeah, Julia. Our country is getting a great education right now in how things work when a bunch of mental masturbation academics start making decisions without any sort of practical experience. The funny thing is, I know what your ex-bf teaches, so I know you know better about what happens when conversation fails than suits your purposes in this discussion.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:09:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy What do gangs have to do with a policeman not knowing is right from his left? /snip I am not willing to let my town sink into gangland. and if we have the same incident- I am ok with that. Let us say for sake of argument you were out one evening at an Alex Jones Convention. Would it be ok for the police to shoot you dead during your trip home from said convention? Would you be ok with that to prevent the gangland developing?

juliaoceania -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:12:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Reports written in ivory towers are notorious for their ignorance of the harsher reality of the streets. Before cell phone cameras and Internet reporting people of all colors had some seriously bad luck if they dared even to mouth off to the police, all over the country. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Seems that my view is supportable by those who study the issue as being a complex one http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/centers/scjc/library/tasers.pdf For one, Stanford is a rather conservative school For another, if you had read the link you would see that it wasn't "anti" tazer Lastly, the fact that you again do not read before mouthing off shows your lack of ability to control yourself when you are involved in any discussion....

pahunkboy -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:13:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy What do gangs have to do with a policeman not knowing is right from his left? /snip I am not willing to let my town sink into gangland. and if we have the same incident- I am ok with that. Let us say for sake of argument you were out one evening at an Alex Jones Convention. Would it be ok for the police to shoot you dead during your trip home from said convention? Would you be ok with that to prevent the gangland developing? That then would remove me from living in a gang infested area, right?

juliaoceania -> RE: Jury Verdict: Oakland BART shooting was involuntary manslaughter (7/10/2010 12:15:13 PM)
quote: hat then would remove me from living in a gang infested area, right? Hmmmmm.... if you are a group of white guys running around armed in the forest, training for when the NWO storm troops their way into your house, you are a patriot... If you live in the city, are black, and a cop shoots you in the back, you are a gangbanger.... [8\|]

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