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Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Slave/S... - 4/15/2006 11:10:26 PM   
MistyMenthal


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Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Slave/Submissive?

I know when a Slave gives up His or Her rights,
they forfiet everything.

I know a Submissive forfits things also.

I'm wondering if one forfits or gives more then the
other, before during and after the Collaring?

If it is Equal how equal is it?

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/15/2006 11:29:27 PM   
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Whether you classify yourself as a bottom, a submissive, or a slave, here in the United States you ONLY give up the things which you knowingly consent to give up. In addition, that consent can be withdrawn by you at any time.

A top, dominant, master or mistress certainly needs to give up a whole lot of their time, thought, and personal energy to form a solid partnership with a submissive person (under whatever title).

You do not need a deeply connected power exchange for simple play, but whatever your role this is necessary to a serious caring relationship.

As always, your mileage may vary!

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 4:53:38 AM   
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For some reason, we keep getting thread after thread about how submitting and dominating is a contest between two people. I honestly believe that if that focus is the main focus someone spends on D/s, you're probably never going to get out of it what makes it so special.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 4:57:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

For some reason, we keep getting thread after thread about how submitting and dominating is a contest between two people. I honestly believe that if that focus is the main focus someone spends on D/s, you're probably never going to get out of it what makes it so special.


I agree sarbonn... its about complimenting each other not competing.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 5:27:18 AM   
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I would love to say something terribly witty or deep that adds to this thread but vield, sarbonn and Oumae have done too well!

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 6:29:50 AM   
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Sarbonn, you are so right...
 
To those who are raising the issue of parity, between dominant and submissive or slave...
 
If you have an interest in an egalitarian relationship, what in the world are you doing on a site called, "CollarMe"?
 
If you desire certain considerations from a dominant, let it be known, up front.
 
I've had a running dialogue with someone, with whom I have contact briefly, every few months.  Contact is brief because, unhappily, we cannot seem to connect.  I believe he really does want to be submissive and serve, but he is still too busy defending himself, being right, making sure things are "fair" - based on his terms, no less. 
 
If I have a problem, is he concerned about what he can do to help clear it?  Is my problem "our" problem?  He is more concerned with feeling he's being criticized (whether he is or not), and defending himself.  Sometimes, that includes trying to gather evidence that I'm "guilty" of whatever it is he feels criticized for, so that he can say, "you see?  You're just as bad as I am."
 
And that's where we get back to the topic at hand.  Demanding that dominants defend themselves and their worth or "rightness," really suggests an agenda.  It suggests that you feel in some way dominants are unfair or in the wrong - or maybe it's just one dominant you have in mind - and you're calling for them to say, "what makes you so great?"  You want to put dominants on the defensive because you feel on the defensive.
 
I'd like to point out that this defensive attitude, this making sure you've got yours, making sure things are "fair," and putting the other on notice, is divisive.  It would not even work in a vanilla relationship.  It isn't out of love.  It's out of suspicion and fear.  And it's certainly not sexy.
 
What's more, in a dominant-submissive or owner-slave relationship, what's "fair"?  Fair warning, perhaps - in the sense of informed consent, that is.  Honesty, from both parties.  Honoring agreements and limitations.
 
But the dominant-submissive or slave relationship is not, by definition, "fair" or "equal," by the usual meaning of the words.
 
I have had a submissive who, if something troubles me, would say, "please tell me what I can do to make things better, Madame."
 
And he would genuinely mean it, would care and go into action to make things better. 
 
Do I have a right to complain about the matter at hand?  "Should" it bother me?  Is it fair to him that I define how it be fixed and he help fix it?
 
His response takes us both completely out of that realm of division, away from each person for themselves.  He doesn't question my feelings or argue that it's not his fault, because there is no "fault."  How can I not respond positively to someone who says, "your concerns are my concerns, my privilege to take as my concerns."  This is the nature of a submissive, though rarely so very loving and open in its form.
 
And, how am I, in turn, as good to a submissive or slave?  I hope I am, in my way.  Submissives and slaves have different needs and desires than dominants, have you not noticed?  However, in another way of looking at it, at core, we all want love, we want to be known by another, we want someone(s) who are unconditionally on our side, we want our dreams satisfied.
 
Dominants and submissives or slaves just have their individual ways of getting these needs and desires met.
 
 
 
"Love knows no boundaries, age is but a number ...  Do not be afraid. Do not hide. Do not say, It cannot be."
- from the Korean drama, "Romance"
 
 

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 7:19:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistyMenthal

Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Slave/Submissive?

I know when a Slave gives up His or Her rights,
they forfiet everything.

I know a Submissive forfits things also.

I'm wondering if one forfits or gives more then the
other, before during and after the Collaring?

If it is Equal how equal is it?

KISS ME, Misty



quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

For some reason, we keep getting thread after thread about how submitting and dominating is a contest between two people. I honestly believe that if that focus is the main focus someone spends on D/s, you're probably never going to get out of it what makes it so special.


I agree with this 100%.

I tend to ignore these threads because the view expressed within it is primarily based on the fluff they have been reading. It seems when those of us who have real time experience within this offer insight, then we are judged as preaching that "one-true-wayism".

I have resolved myself to tell people that you will answer your own questions by speaking with others. Not chatting in theme based chatrooms, but talking with people. Discussion boards seem to offer a higher percentage of people having reality based conversations.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 7:50:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

For some reason, we keep getting thread after thread about how submitting and dominating is a contest between two people. I honestly believe that if that focus is the main focus someone spends on D/s, you're probably never going to get out of it what makes it so special.


Excellent post.

It isn't a contest. It probably shouldn't be a completely selfish interaction where you just do to get done to.

In my opinion it is best to have a give and take and to work out what that involves when you first set up your relationship and then continue to communicate about it throughout.

Remember, the leash does not work unless it is held by someone -- it goes two ways -- I can pull one way but he can always pull the other.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 8:49:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistyMenthal
Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Slave/Submissive?
I know when a Slave gives up His or Her rights, they forfiet everything.
I know a Submissive forfits things also.
I'm wondering if one forfits or gives more then the other, before during and after the Collaring?
If it is Equal how equal is it?


I'm not clear on the question at hand.

Are you asking
"Does a Mistress give up the same amount as her subs/slaves give up?"
or are you asking the question
"Does a slave give up the same amount as a submissive gives up?"
?

I'm more than happy to give my insight, regarding how my relationships work, but I have to know which question I'm answering before I begin.  :)


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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 9:01:42 AM   
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Misty, I am surprised you even have to ask this question(s), however, since you do feel the need to ask I will answer for you.
quote:

Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Slave/Submissive?/quote]
No

quote:

I'm wondering if one forfits or gives more then the
other, before during and after the Collaring?

Yes

quote:

If it is Equal how equal is it?

It isn't equal

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 10:10:29 AM   
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I want to add my 2 cents as a submissive. It is my opinion that it is much harder to be a good Domme then it is to be a submissive. Meaning that the Domme has much more to give up. Like her time, her care and concern for her submissive. Always trying to come up with ways to keep her submissive happy, healthy and doing the things he should be doing for not only his Mistress, but for himself. As a sub, I give up certain rights and turn over control to my Mistress. But it is her that has to keep the relationship on an even keel.  I know it is work, a lot of work for the Domme. That's giving up a lot of her free time if she truly cares for her sub. I respect that and appreciate it beyond words form the Lady I am lucky enough to call Mistress. Now if I can only find another.......The one I loved and cared for beyond words, even though she released me,  will always be loved and respected for what she gave up for me.    

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 11:57:47 AM   
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Well said...

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 12:32:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

For some reason, we keep getting thread after thread about how submitting and dominating is a contest between two people. I honestly believe that if that focus is the main focus someone spends on D/s, you're probably never going to get out of it what makes it so special.

I guess you mean my thread. My idea is about finding fulfillment, not competition. There are some great responses in that thread. I will personally mark that thread for the next time some sub bursts into a thread ripping on the Domme's as being uncaring and selfish. I personally felt that too many of the threads focused primarily on the Domme's and what they need and many subs, some just ignorant, were getting the idea that the Domme’s felt the relationship is all one sided.

Balance is what I'm seeking, not competition.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 12:43:10 PM   
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I still don't understand the OP question.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 1:25:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

I still don't understand the OP question.

I think the question *might* be: What sacrifices does a Domme make when taking on a sub or slave?

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 3:01:55 PM   
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greetings misty
you know its lonely at the top...
as far as i know
tops risk their necks even being
they are leaders
and especially top womin even declaring themselves
i think they sacrifice themselves to be

< Message edited by jamesthehumanrug -- 4/16/2006 3:02:38 PM >


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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 3:15:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TeeGO


quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix

I still don't understand the OP question.

I think the question *might* be: What sacrifices does a Domme make when taking on a sub or slave?



Well, if I have to go in making sacrifices, then I might as well just marry vanilla. The same could be said for the submissive.  We are a part of this lifestyle because we don't fit into the box. Any Domina who tries to change to fit into a box for a submissive, or any submissive who tries to fit into a box for a Dominant is not going to be happy. Hence the reason to sometimes prefer more than one slave.
Honestly, I view it as making sure you are both aware of the expectations of The Dominant.  Being submissive means bending to someone's will.  If you can't do that happily, (within reason, of course) then maybe you are in the wrong place. Find the Dominant whose expectations meet your own sense of what you have and want to give.
I am Dominant.  I am going to take.  You need to be happy with what it is you know I am going to take.  That is your fulfillment.  You will get back too.  And I am not just talking about a spanking or a bondage scene.  I am a very giving an nurturing person.  But when I hear that one is used to and must have 6 vacations each year...*shrug* 
All I ask is that one pays attention to My requirements, and don't contact Me to try to convince Me that I can do without certain things because one will do this and that instead for Me.  Sorry, but I am not inclined to give up a nice massage because I can exchange that for having My armpits licked.
Hope this is making some sense.

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 5:19:37 PM   
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Proprietrix,

quote:

Are you asking
"Does a Mistress give up the same amount as her subs/slaves give up?"
or are you asking the question
"Does a slave give up the same amount as a submissive gives up?"


I'm more than happy to give my insight, regarding how my relationships work, but I have to know which question I'm answering before I begin.  :)


 
I think what I'm saying is,
Does one give more then the other like moving, serving, etc.
 I had a Bdsm Relationship where
 I felt I was giving more then getting?
 I was just wanting to know if this is how it should be?
It was one of my 1st collarings.
 
Not what Mistresses give over what Subs/Slaves give?
Because I know it should be equal?
 
quote:

"Ok so I  need some STRONG Coffee!"

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RE: Mistresses, Do You give up the same amount as a Sla... - 4/16/2006 9:04:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistyMenthal

I felt I was giving more then getting?
I was just wanting to know if this is how it should be?


In a perfect world, as a submissive, you should be getting the charge and the satisfaction from the giving rather than the getting. In the real world, this is why I prefer service submissives over sensation submissives. I like a man who's happy because I'm using him the way I truely want to, with the *how* I'm using him being secondary.


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