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juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:31:19 PM)

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Being a victim myself allows me to speak my own mind.


But you discount the mind of the actual victim in this case....


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He pled guilty. Period. That ends her part in all this. Its now strictly a legal matter. One i do feel he should have to man up for.


Is that how you would feel if she wanted his balls on a platter? I bet if she wanted "justice" you would be saying something very different about her opinion, but since it does not agree with yours, you have discounted it. I believe that a victim should have a right to have their opinion heard and respected, whether they want to throw away the key, or they want leniency.




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:32:43 PM)

The actual victim in this case won a 500,000 settlement against Polanski. Just because she NOW says no doesnt change the crime or the judicial process.

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Is that how you would feel if she wanted his balls on a platter? I bet if she wanted "justice" you would be saying something very different about her opinion, but since it does not agree with yours, you have discounted it. I believe that a victim should have a right to have their opinion heard and respected, whether they want to throw away the key, or they want leniency.


What part of he plead guilty and should finish his punishment dont you get?




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:34:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


Yes I do believe that is something that courts take into account every day around this country...




Not for rape my dear...other than perhaps the punishment phase.

Butch


Back when he committed this crime there were different laws, different sentencing guidelines, and his sentence would have been incredibly lenient. It has been 30 years, he has not shown himself to be a threat to any community, and even though i think he is a slimeball.... as a citizen of this state, which since I am one of the People of California, I think that I want to spend resources on local slimeballs




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:36:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The actual victim in this case won a 500,000 settlement against Polanski. Just because she NOW says no doesnt change the crime or the judicial process.

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Is that how you would feel if she wanted his balls on a platter? I bet if she wanted "justice" you would be saying something very different about her opinion, but since it does not agree with yours, you have discounted it. I believe that a victim should have a right to have their opinion heard and respected, whether they want to throw away the key, or they want leniency.


What part of he plead guilty and should finish his punishment dont you get?


So you don't care what the actual victim feels about this, only how you feel, gotcha




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:37:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The actual victim in this case won a 500,000 settlement against Polanski. Just because she NOW says no doesnt change the crime or the judicial process.

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Is that how you would feel if she wanted his balls on a platter? I bet if she wanted "justice" you would be saying something very different about her opinion, but since it does not agree with yours, you have discounted it. I believe that a victim should have a right to have their opinion heard and respected, whether they want to throw away the key, or they want leniency.


What part of he plead guilty and should finish his punishment dont you get?


So you don't care what the actual victim feels about this, only how you feel, gotcha


About the same as you saying him raping a 13 year old girl and having to do his time isnt the same as your neice being raped at nine.

Do you really want to get nasty?




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:45:20 PM)

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About the same as you saying him raping a 13 year old girl and having to do his time isnt the same as your neice being raped at nine.

Do you really want to get nasty?


I have not been nasty here, I think you should look in the mirror on that account,

I have repeatedly tried to look at this from an unemotional view, and yet you keep looking at it through your emotion. I understand that you would feel emotional about this, but it does not change the fact he has been gone for 30 years, he has not been accused of any other crime, and his sentence would be extremely lenient if they had him return. Why would I want this person back in California for some dog and pony show when right across the street from where I live, in the same county that Polanski committed his crime, they let perps like him go free every day because they lack room for them?

This is the way I am looking at it from the view of a Californian that has seen more than one pervert get out of jail early and murder someone as a result... now those are the stark realities. I live in the most populated county in California, and you want to lock up Roman Polanski for a month and let some heinous bastard out so he can take their place... The French can keep him... thank you very much




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:46:06 PM)

You don't know if he was or is a threat... you think he learned his lesson and has never fucked another 13 year old or never will?

I don't know either but I am not as all seeing and wise as you as to what constitutes a future threat... But I think statistics will show there is a good chance he did it before and since and may very well do it again.

Crime and punishment should not be selective. You and I make the laws and we expect them to be carried out. If you don’t want him prosecuted then change the law. There are a lot of Californians that want him prosecuted…I’ll bet a lot more than don’t.

Butch




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:47:21 PM)

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There are a lot of Californians that want him prosecuted…I’ll bet a lot more than don’t.


Show me the polling data on that, instead of wild speculations




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 8:57:08 PM)

Pedophilia data is easily found ..if you want to find it go ahead if not believe what you will.

Butch




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:02:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Pedophilia data is easily found ..if you want to find it go ahead if not believe what you will.

Butch


This girl was past puberty, now you want to re-argue this, fine.... isn't it enough he raped her, no matter her age? I don't get why we have to debate the pedophile aspect of this, I would venture to guess that most psychologists would not diagnose him as one (in fact he was examined by a psychologist that says he isn't a pedophile, but never mind that, and never mind that doctors that research pedophilia try to educate people on what pedophilia is and try to keep that word from being inaccurately tossed around)


Like I said, I want the French to keep him




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:05:30 PM)

Below is a part of the thread I am posting

Treatment for Pedophilia
Pedophilia generally is treated with cognitive-behavioral
therapy. The therapy may be prescribed alone or
in combination with medication. Some examples of
medications which have been used include anti-androgens
and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors
(SSRIs). But unlike the successful treatment outcomes
for most other mental illnesses, the outlook for
successful treatment and rehabilitation of individuals
with pedophilia is guarded. Even after intensive treatment,
the course of the disorder usually is chronic and
lifelong in most patients, according to DSM-IV, which
is the reason that most treatment programs emphasize
a relapse-prevention model. However, both the fantasies
and the behaviors often lessen with advancing age
in adults.

HERE is a good thread with information

But I hate to get into internet link fights...your links and mine...but really, spend some time looking into the evaluations of these people and see how many relapse and repeat...by today’s standards not 30 years ago as you say...we know more




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:08:02 PM)

We do only because it does make a difference what the motivation... if it was rape that is one thing...he may not repeat...but if it was pedophilia he most likely would without treatment.

Butch




Owner59 -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:09:29 PM)

Throw the book at`m.

It`s not just a crime against a person.It`s against society and even if the victim doesn`t want to pursue charges,society(us) has a right and obligation to charge and make perps face the music.

As far as the time elapsed,that`s irrelevant.In fact,IMO,the longer a perp staves off punishment,the worse.

He also must face charges for skipping his court dates.




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:11:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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About the same as you saying him raping a 13 year old girl and having to do his time isnt the same as your neice being raped at nine.

Do you really want to get nasty?


I have not been nasty here, I think you should look in the mirror on that account,

I have repeatedly tried to look at this from an unemotional view, and yet you keep looking at it through your emotion. I understand that you would feel emotional about this, but it does not change the fact he has been gone for 30 years, he has not been accused of any other crime, and his sentence would be extremely lenient if they had him return. Why would I want this person back in California for some dog and pony show when right across the street from where I live, in the same county that Polanski committed his crime, they let perps like him go free every day because they lack room for them?

This is the way I am looking at it from the view of a Californian that has seen more than one pervert get out of jail early and murder someone as a result... now those are the stark realities. I live in the most populated county in California, and you want to lock up Roman Polanski for a month and let some heinous bastard out so he can take their place... The French can keep him... thank you very much



Is a flight from justice charge that light?

According to this article, it doesnt appear so.

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Cody Fogelquist has been charged with felony fugitive from justice and a hearing was held on Thursday. If convicted, Fogelquist could face the maximum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.


http://www.stpeterherald.com/news.php?viewStory=2955

I dont know about California, but i would hazard a guess that the charge there isnt taken lightly either. So, to say he would spend only another 40+ days in jail isnt accurate.




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:12:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

We do only because it does make a difference what the motivation... if it was rape that is one thing...he may not repeat...but if it was pedophilia he most likely would without treatment.

Butch


We have no evidence of him re-offending....




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:14:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

in fact he was examined by a psychologist that says he isn't a pedophile, but never mind that, and never mind that doctors that research pedophilia try to educate people on what pedophilia is and try to keep that word from being inaccurately tossed around


A diagnosis made many, many years ago. Many things have changed, as you pointed out, laws themselves. So has diagnosis criteria. Psychology experts have repeatedly stated that it doesnt require a single incident of actual abuse to be diagnosed as a pedo, a fact you wish to overlook.




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:14:56 PM)

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I dont know about California, but i would hazard a guess that the charge there isnt taken lightly either. So, to say he would spend only another 40+ days in jail isnt accurate.


He would be given the sentence that would have been given out to him at the time of the crime. They would not give him a sentence of someone that committed the same crime in 2010. Now you may not agree with that, but it is the way our system works




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:16:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

in fact he was examined by a psychologist that says he isn't a pedophile, but never mind that, and never mind that doctors that research pedophilia try to educate people on what pedophilia is and try to keep that word from being inaccurately tossed around


A diagnosis made many, many years ago. Many things have changed, as you pointed out, laws themselves. So has diagnosis criteria. Psychology experts have repeatedly stated that it doesnt require a single incident of actual abuse to be diagnosed as a pedo, a fact you wish to overlook.


They also say that a single action does not make someone a pedophile... yet you seem to avoid that aspect a lot...




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:16:06 PM)

The charge... flight from justice... can carry its own charge. Think after all this time, if he ever returns, they wont toss the whole bookcase at him?




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 9:16:58 PM)

You are not reading my threads I see... but no sense arguing with you more let the majority thought rule I guess. You seem to be more into arguing then evaluating ideas… but your right to believe what you please of course.

kd




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