CynthiaWVirginia
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
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you really have to consider how functional a 5 year old is. That is when you learn to count- ABCs, say please, take your turn, share
Sorry, pahunkboy, I needed to use your quote to kick off my point and stay focused on only this one micro issue and not type in a novel here. I still might end up going for the epic post. This isn't targeted at you, okay?
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From Owner59:
Is a parent`s want to maintain a fantasy about childhood innocents worth keeping them ignorant to the dangers?
This is part of what's wrong with the world, selfdelusion. If anyone for one blessed moment THINKS that a kindergartener knowing the words penis or vagina can prevent molestation...I have a bridge I wanna sell you in Brooklyn. I spent YEARS in therapy, and besides encouraging me to talk about it until I was sick and tired of hearing myself talk about it...the best thing a shrink did for me was to make me study kids in elementary school and notice something. That young kids cannot face off with a predator and win, unless the predator is supremely incompetent. I had to forgive myself for not being fast enough, smart enough, etc. because somehow it was my responsibility at 5, then 6, then 7, etc. to know the signs and get the heck out in time.
Who taught me that this was MY responsibility? SCHOOLS and the media, carping about "if someone touches you in your swimsuit zone" what to do about it.
By the time someone does that, it's already fricking too late.
Everyone who thinks it's wise for kindergarteners to take responsibility for preventing pedophile attacks can bite me. Yes, I am very hostile about this retarded shiite people spew out. Let the kids fingerpaint and use crayons and sing about Puff the Magic Dragon, for crying out loud, and stop trying to put responsibility on them that has no business being there. The responsibility belongs to adults, not 5 year olds.
Keep DNA caught, or caught red handed pedophiles in jail until they are dead...that's how to prevent them from amassing more victims. These guys go through hundreds of kids in their lifetimes. They're good at it, without conscience, and like a good predator, hang out where the kiddies are.
My ex-husband's people protect their daughters (and I've seen to it that he is also paranoid about protecting his infant son). Outsiders do not watch their kids, the wife and he work on different shifts and one of them is at home at all times to watch the children. When they are outside playing, they are watched by parents. Yes, I told my ex about all my old babysitters in the past. How they brought boyfriends over and kicked us outside, unsupervised, almost the entire time my mom was at work. My father would have us outside all day long on the playground too, unsupervised, for sometimes over 6 hours. We ran all over the neighborhood from the time I was 6 and the pedophiles almost fell to their knees in gratitude to have another available vulnerable child who knew how to blame herself properly and be ashamed.
(Sarcasm font) <gives standing ovation to all those lovely programs that taught children how to deal with pedophiles and take appropriate action>
Without another adult witness, without it being caught on video tape, without very incriminating genetic evidence left behind in damning places...not much can ever be done after the fact. Young children break in court rooms, break during doctor's exams (at 6 I had to answer all adult female questions like birth control use, frequency of sex, how many partners, etc. I felt like trash, disposable and RUINED, DISGRACED, WORTHLESS, and a complete WHORE, need I go on?). All this other stuff is often equally or more traumatic for the kid. This is from the horse's mouth, people.
I'm going to approach this from a different angle now:
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Is a parent`s want to maintain a fantasy about childhood innocents worth keeping them ignorant to the dangers?
Let's answer that from both a parental standpoint and also substitute the word society. "Is it society's want to maintain a fantasy about childhood innocence worth keeping them ignorant to the dangers?" Innocence??? With all the stuff that's on our tvs? You're kidding me, right? Kids are in the room with mom and dad while they're watching R rated movies...gay stuff on tv is common and crops up everywhere in movies and tv shows...they are already getting their proper American, pardon the pun, programming of brain cells from all the media. Often...just watching commercials will teach more than what they plan to teach kids in school about sex ed and learning tolerance, it's inexcapable. Naming body parts used to be left to health class, and somehow knowing the name is entirely different from the reality I went though in first grade...I didn't have to see words, I saw pictures. Some pedophile had cut pix from some man/child magazine and had managed to scatter the pix all over the playground. I took some home with me because...I saw that I wasn't the only girl in the world who had done that. Protecting innocents? Protecting innocence? Why wasn't there people watching the playground as we left? Why had I been one of many to see these pix but no adult noticed and confiscated them? WTF???
Why are parents and society not teaching tween boys that there are things that they better not do with 6 and 7 year old girls? That if there is no equal power among children, there is no consent. A 14 year old cannot have a 7 year old girlfriend. While older kids are let loose to run wild, unsupervised all over the neighborhood, cuz they're safely old enough to protect themselves, guess what some are doing?
Childhood innocence only exists when there are adults around on guard duty teaching older ones the rules of behavior, and watching out for those too young to do anything to protect themselves. Innocence exists when decent adults do their job, and not expect a 5 year old to pick up that dropped ball.
Another issue. If someone thinks that teaching kindergarteners or even elementary kids about gay tolerance will will magically transform all kids into tolerant beings, think again. We've already done the race thing in schools...but yanno, when my son was even in kindergarten, first grade, second grade, and third (before I yanked him for homeschool)...kids turned down birthday party invitations at McDonalds with presents given out for first through whatever place in birthday games like Pin the Tail on the Donkey...because as some said, their parents didn't let them go to birthday parties of "n*****s". (My son is mixed.) Later the kids were more discreet and merely said no thank you. This education in school that was so important was not some magic bullet with races, and it is also NOT going to erase people's possible religious beliefs over accepting gays. As far as religious beliefs and prejudices are concerned, as long as they're not insulting and don't act out hatefully on their beliefs...I stay out of it because it's their cross to bear not mine. I think our media has a greater effect on slowly changing society than this failed theory of teaching about it in elementary school. If education is so educational, how come girls graduate high school thinking that babies come out their pee holes? Around here, some graduate without being able to do math or even to read properly.
When I took my kid out of school, the town almost fell on my head calling me abusive for taking my kid away from all those peer group "friends" he absolutely must have. I even had people argue with me that school work and learning wasn't as important as being in a properly age segregated setting, that school was necessary to be "socialized." What a crock that was. The ones who went through the public school system and had all that sex education still had unprotected sex...and got genital warts and all kinds of ugly STDs, as well as babies. The racist ones still are racist.
If someone thinks that school talks can change how the families of kindergarteners feel about gays and transgenders, etc., yeah right. There's a time and a place for everything, and this isn't the time nor place.
If someone wants to change the world...get subtle and make movies or write entertaining books and use that medium to make people feel the issue personally. I bet almost everyone who watched the television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer and watched the love story between Willow and Tara would completely understand and have a very hard time calling it a sin when hets were merely boinking and they were in a committed loving relationship (that song they did on that episode, "Once More, With Feeling", called Under Your Spell gave me chills. :)
By the time my father started up his racial hate training when I was in 5th grade, it was too late to hear anything he had to say...I already adored Bill Cosby because of watching Fat Albert cartoons and the Jello Pudding commercials. I saw clearly that my father had issues that were not my own and could never poison my life.
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About the first part of my posts...I'm sorry to have ranted but I tried not to attack anybody, just spell out clearly the points I was trying to make as to why I DETEST this idea. I have very strong feelings on this subject and rarely try to educate others as doing so gets me very upset for weeks afterward.
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