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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 11:30:00 AM   
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Either we should skin them while alive, or apologize for disturbing them, and give them half of New Jersey as compensation.


What is sad is this is pretty accurate......... I am not down with the skinning alive.... But I am not dead set against it either.

I just wanna know how many Americans have to die before someone gives a shit and says we should do what we gotta do to make it stop.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 11:35:20 AM   
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A race to the bottom then.

I`ll take that as a yes to my question.




If this is how you really see it, then Yes, Absolutely.

Why treat them with better accord than they treat us? Why give them something they do not give us?

Would you like us to stand in lines and walk toward each other and shoot in waves?

There is nothing gentlemanly about war these days, why try to LOOK better than your enemy when they don't care how they look?

QSM


Because if we lower ourselves to their level we are no better than them. wahhh wahhh wahhh We will lose our identity wahhh wahhh wahhh


You'll lose your fucking identity when youre forced to pray to their god. Y'all have made your choice, I've made mine. Have fun with the Eastern half of NJ. What a great idea in the other post.

AQSM, we appear to differ only in that I dont think waterboarding is torture. tomato tomahto

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 11:44:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		QSM, I was (at least partially) speaking tongue in cheek, regarding the skinning. Honestly, I don't have a lot of answers, on this topic, except that I damn sure don't think we should bend over and spread'em for our enemies.

*I was serious about the Jersey part, though*

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 11:53:27 AM   
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A race to the bottom then.

I`ll take that as a yes to my question.




If this is how you really see it, then Yes, Absolutely.

Why treat them with better accord than they treat us? Why give them something they do not give us?

Would you like us to stand in lines and walk toward each other and shoot in waves?

There is nothing gentlemanly about war these days, why try to LOOK better than your enemy when they don't care how they look?

QSM


Because if we lower ourselves to their level we are no better than them. wahhh wahhh wahhh We will lose our identity wahhh wahhh wahhh


You'll lose your fucking identity when youre forced to pray to their god. Y'all have made your choice, I've made mine. Have fun with the Eastern half of NJ. What a great idea in the other post.

AQSM, we appear to differ only in that I dont think waterboarding is torture. tomato tomahto


That`s basically how Hussein felt.

He thanks you for the vindication.


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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 12:06:16 PM   
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A race to the bottom then.

I`ll take that as a yes to my question.




If this is how you really see it, then Yes, Absolutely.

Why treat them with better accord than they treat us? Why give them something they do not give us?

Would you like us to stand in lines and walk toward each other and shoot in waves?

There is nothing gentlemanly about war these days, why try to LOOK better than your enemy when they don't care how they look?

QSM


Because if we lower ourselves to their level we are no better than them. wahhh wahhh wahhh We will lose our identity wahhh wahhh wahhh


You'll lose your fucking identity when youre forced to pray to their god. Y'all have made your choice, I've made mine. Have fun with the Eastern half of NJ. What a great idea in the other post.

AQSM, we appear to differ only in that I dont think waterboarding is torture. tomato tomahto


That`s basically how Hussein felt.

He thanks you for the vindication.



And thus you are clamped firmly in the trap of moral equivalency.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 12:15:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		It`s the lunatic fringe section of the GOP that is urinating on the Constitution and trying justify it.

At least we`ve moved the ball down the field a bit tho.

It used to be flat out denial and obfuscation about torture.

Now it`s fully admitted to but with defensive excuses and weak justifications.





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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 12:21:30 PM   
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I'll ask you how you feel when you Bury your own Family because we took the higher ground.

As far as I am conserned. If they back the action then they deserve the same.

It accomplishes the exact same it did with them. It sends a Message that if you screw with America or Americans if you show no quarter then you will receive no quarter.

Like I said just an opinion of mine.

QSM


I would feel confident in my principles.

We constantly brag about how we do take the higher ground, how we are the beacon of civilization, how we spread freedom to the world and all kinds of other patriotic horseshit.

Maybe we should live up to our words.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 3:54:58 PM   
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That`s basically how Hussein felt.

He thanks you for the vindication.



I really don't think he is doing much of anything.... On account of the Hangmans Knot that broke his neck....

Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

Owner if you would like to compare Americans to Hussein, for protecting their country... why don't you go see how happy they would be to have you over there.

Truth of the matter is what Hussein did was part of war. He Tortured Americans too, and for then I personally would have pulled the lever that dropped the bottom from underneath him.

There are no Civil actions in a War that tolerates torture on either side... and if the war is not civil......... Well When in Rome.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 4:05:58 PM   
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I'll ask you how you feel when you Bury your own Family because we took the higher ground.

As far as I am conserned. If they back the action then they deserve the same.

It accomplishes the exact same it did with them. It sends a Message that if you screw with America or Americans if you show no quarter then you will receive no quarter.

Like I said just an opinion of mine.

QSM


I would feel confident in my principles.

We constantly brag about how we do take the higher ground, how we are the beacon of civilization, how we spread freedom to the world and all kinds of other patriotic horseshit.

Maybe we should live up to our words.



Now here is where I take a few steps back. Take a Look at what you said, and ask you if you even know what that means?

I Brag about living in a country where I have rights that regardless of the constitution and it's rewrites, I get the opportunity to defend these rights in a court of law. One in which my actions are weighed and measured, not simply judged and punished. I get them because I am a citizen of this country. I have pleged my Allegence to this country and if required will fight for it. Because I love this country....... THEY do not love this country, they do not have allegence to this country. They want to DESTROY this country, who would I want to show them anything but Extreme Prejeduice? Why show them Mercy when they show us none? I can Love my country and kill my enemy at the same time.

America is falling apart not because of some other country but because the average American can't stop fighting with another average American about what America should look like.

When in War, when your own men fight one another, when our soldiers open fire on their own men rather than fight the war we are in...... I think there is something wrong with the America I love... I do not think we have words to live up to right now. This has NOTHING to do with fighting in a Foxhole with other people shooting back at you.

ANYTHING that could be used to end the war SOONER.... is something I will back.. Torture, Strategic Bombing, Go for it.

That is my Idea of Protecting my America.

QSN

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 4:07:57 PM   
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It`s the lunatic fringe section of the GOP that is urinating on the Constitution and trying justify it.

At least we`ve moved the ball down the field a bit tho.

It used to be flat out denial and obfuscation about torture.

Now it`s fully admitted to but with defensive excuses and weak justifications.



Owner I have an HONEST question for you when it comes to the above statement.

Why should the Constitution of the People which is For the people of AMERICA ever have to apply to anyone who is NOT of this country?

QSM

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 8:42:03 PM   
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I'll ask you how you feel when you Bury your own Family because we took the higher ground.

As far as I am conserned. If they back the action then they deserve the same.

It accomplishes the exact same it did with them. It sends a Message that if you screw with America or Americans if you show no quarter then you will receive no quarter.

Like I said just an opinion of mine.

QSM


I would feel confident in my principles.

We constantly brag about how we do take the higher ground, how we are the beacon of civilization, how we spread freedom to the world and all kinds of other patriotic horseshit.

Maybe we should live up to our words.



Now here is where I take a few steps back. Take a Look at what you said, and ask you if you even know what that means?

I Brag about living in a country where I have rights that regardless of the constitution and it's rewrites, I get the opportunity to defend these rights in a court of law. One in which my actions are weighed and measured, not simply judged and punished. I get them because I am a citizen of this country. I have pleged my Allegence to this country and if required will fight for it. Because I love this country....... THEY do not love this country, they do not have allegence to this country. They want to DESTROY this country, who would I want to show them anything but Extreme Prejeduice? Why show them Mercy when they show us none? I can Love my country and kill my enemy at the same time.

America is falling apart not because of some other country but because the average American can't stop fighting with another average American about what America should look like.

When in War, when your own men fight one another, when our soldiers open fire on their own men rather than fight the war we are in...... I think there is something wrong with the America I love... I do not think we have words to live up to right now. This has NOTHING to do with fighting in a Foxhole with other people shooting back at you.

ANYTHING that could be used to end the war SOONER.... is something I will back.. Torture, Strategic Bombing, Go for it.

That is my Idea of Protecting my America.

QSN



Now now, brave guy.

Don`t include my America in with you torturers.

Don`t piss on our Constitution and claim to defend it.

Ya can`t have it both ways.


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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 9:00:54 PM   
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Don`t include my America in with you torturers.

Don`t piss on our Constitution and claim to defend it.

Ya can`t have it both ways.



If you think the founding fathers would agree to fighting a war with one hand tied behind their back, blindfolded and bareknuckle, while the enemy has full sight and automatic weapons, youre out of youre mind.

There is nothing in the Constitution that protects foreign enemies. Period.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 9:42:49 PM   
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There is nothing in the Constitution that protects foreign enemies. Period.

EVERYTHING IN THE US CONSTITUTION PROTECTS OUR ENEMIES ONCE THEY ARE IN OUR CONTROL. PERIOD.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 9:46:06 PM   
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There is nothing in the Constitution that protects foreign enemies. Period.

EVERYTHING IN THE US CONSTITUTION PROTECTS OUR ENEMIES ONCE THEY ARE IN OUR CONTROL. PERIOD.


wrong again

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/17/2010 10:25:35 PM   
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Stop urinating on our constitution and on our honor.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 1:34:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		For those of you who do not Understand what Owner is talking about which I know to be MANY, This is what is being discussed.

habeas corpus Pretty Good Video, Presents facts not sides.

Consitution actually says it can be suspended for acts of war.

So who is pissing on the constitution when it says it can be done and you just don't want it to.

By the way it also says that the Constitution should apply to Citizens of these United States. So why should it be given to Terrorists from other countries. I do not believe I ever said anything other than the enemy when I suggested using the same tactics they use.

QSM

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 1:36:59 PM   
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There is nothing in the Constitution that protects foreign enemies. Period.

EVERYTHING IN THE US CONSTITUTION PROTECTS OUR ENEMIES ONCE THEY ARE IN OUR CONTROL. PERIOD.


Where? Simple Question.... Where does it say so? Specifically where does anything in the constitution or bill of rights apply to anyone who is not a Citizen?

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:05:22 PM   
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There is nothing in the Constitution that protects foreign enemies. Period.

EVERYTHING IN THE US CONSTITUTION PROTECTS OUR ENEMIES ONCE THEY ARE IN OUR CONTROL. PERIOD.


Where? Simple Question.... Where does it say so? Specifically where does anything in the constitution or bill of rights apply to anyone who is not a Citizen?

QSM

First Amendment
quote:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Fourth Amendment
quote:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Fifth Amendment
quote:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


As a matter of fact the only time citizen is used explicitly in the US Constitution is in matter releated to voting and eligibility to hold office. The founders were quite careful to use person or people for every other usage. Tjhe US Constitution applies with full weight to all actions of the US and state governments.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:05:57 PM   
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Now here is where I take a few steps back. Take a Look at what you said, and ask you if you even know what that means?

I Brag about living in a country where I have rights that regardless of the constitution and it's rewrites, I get the opportunity to defend these rights in a court of law. One in which my actions are weighed and measured, not simply judged and punished. I get them because I am a citizen of this country. I have pleged my Allegence to this country and if required will fight for it. Because I love this country....... THEY do not love this country, they do not have allegence to this country. They want to DESTROY this country, who would I want to show them anything but Extreme Prejeduice? Why show them Mercy when they show us none? I can Love my country and kill my enemy at the same time.

America is falling apart not because of some other country but because the average American can't stop fighting with another average American about what America should look like.

When in War, when your own men fight one another, when our soldiers open fire on their own men rather than fight the war we are in...... I think there is something wrong with the America I love... I do not think we have words to live up to right now. This has NOTHING to do with fighting in a Foxhole with other people shooting back at you.

ANYTHING that could be used to end the war SOONER.... is something I will back.. Torture, Strategic Bombing, Go for it.

That is my Idea of Protecting my America.

QSN


Then I guess we have very differing views on the type of country we believe in.

Myself, I do not want to be part of a country that is doing whatever it takes. 

Let's think about that.

How far would you be willing to go with that concept, because that can be taken to the most horrendous extremes.


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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:14:04 PM   
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I did not quote it cause I have a simple answer to what you posted.

Read the first few Paragraphs of the constitution and you will see that "People" is WE the People, As the Constitution did NOT apply to the english that were were seperating from unless they wanted to be citizens of these United States.

Words have meaning in CONTEXT, you can't just see a word and think it applies universally this is why words have different meaning.

NO Constitutional RIGHT was afforded to any Non Citizen of the United states until the Supreme Court got involved with it. And that is when the Constitution got pissed all over.

Making a Permanent ruleing on the Constitution has divided what the Constitution should mean, sometimes these are nesessary such as with Slavery, sometimes they are not, like with Privacy.

QSM

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