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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:20:01 PM

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Then I guess we have very differing views on the type of country we believe in.

Myself, I do not want to be part of a country that is doing whatever it takes.

Let's think about that.

How far would you be willing to go with that concept, because that can be taken to the most horrendous extremes.

The Men who signed the Constitution were commiting Treason, They would have been Hanged for signing and the man who drew up that little paper would have been drawn and quartered.

They did WHATEVER it took, And YES English were Killed after Torture for what they knew. This is how they managed to get it done. If you think it was all "Pomp and Circumstance" you are sadly mistaken. History is written by those who won.

Perhaps you should look into the creation of the Constitution and what exactly it meant to be doing what they did. THAT is the America I stand behind. That is MY America.

One that stood for doing what had to be done to better the condition of the country and show those who would try to destroy us that we will NOT back down No matter what it took.

There was a Time that a Sniper in a Tree was considered Bad Form and not something a "Soldier" would do.... why? Because that one Sniper would take out 10 score men before he could be taken out...... They were Losing and this is why it was Bad Form.

Extream times call for Extream Measures.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:32:40 PM

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DomKen,

I did not quote it cause I have a simple answer to what you posted.

Read the first few Paragraphs of the constitution and you will see that "People" is WE the People, As the Constitution did NOT apply to the english that were were seperating from unless they wanted to be citizens of these United States.

Words have meaning in CONTEXT, you can't just see a word and think it applies universally this is why words have different meaning.

NO Constitutional RIGHT was afforded to any Non Citizen of the United states until the Supreme Court got involved with it. And that is when the Constitution got pissed all over.

Making a Permanent ruleing on the Constitution has divided what the Constitution should mean, sometimes these are nesessary such as with Slavery, sometimes they are not, like with Privacy.

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Bullshit.

You are under the mistaken belief that the US Constitution was written before independence. The war had been over for several years by the time the preamble was written.

I presented the document in context. Everywhere, except for sections about voting and holding public office, person is used. The authors chose to use citizen when discussing holding office and voting so clearly if they intended things to be restricted to citizens alone they could have (and since the document in its original form did include the concept of people as chattel) they clearly held that there was a difference between a person and a citizen.

IOW the US Constitution says person and they meant person not citizen.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:33:45 PM

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The Men who signed the Constitution were commiting Treason, They would have been Hanged for signing and the man who drew up that little paper would have been drawn and quartered.

Learn some history for crying out loud.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:37:35 PM

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The Men who signed the Constitution were commiting Treason, They would have been Hanged for signing and the man who drew up that little paper would have been drawn and quartered.

Learn some history for crying out loud.

I'd ask you to do the same.

ETA. Using your chattle argument, if that was the case then why did the constitution NOT apply to slaves.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:43:04 PM

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The US Constitution was written and adopted in 1787, the final ratification and putting it into effect was in 1789.

The Revolutionary war ended in 1783, so the signers of the Constitution were not committing treason.

The act of treason against the Crown was in 1776 with the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

The information is usually well known to any third and fourth grade kid in the United States.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:46:15 PM

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The Men who signed the Constitution were commiting Treason, They would have been Hanged for signing and the man who drew up that little paper would have been drawn and quartered.

Learn some history for crying out loud.

I'd ask you to do the same.

Cornwallis surrenders Yorktown (end of the war on US soil and effective end of the war) October 19 1781.
Treaty of Paris signed (formal end of the war) September 3 1783 (Treaties of Paris and Versailles)

Constitutional Convention begins on May 25, 1787. 5 1/2 years after Cornwallis is defeated and 3 1/2 years after the war was officially over.
No one writing or signing the US Constitution was committing treason.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 2:56:52 PM

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The Men who signed the Constitution were commiting Treason, They would have been Hanged for signing and the man who drew up that little paper would have been drawn and quartered.

Learn some history for crying out loud.

I'd ask you to do the same.

Cornwallis surrenders Yorktown (end of the war on US soil and effective end of the war) October 19 1781.
Treaty of Paris signed (formal end of the war) September 3 1783 (Treaties of Paris and Versailles)

Constitutional Convention begins on May 25, 1787. 5 1/2 years after Cornwallis is defeated and 3 1/2 years after the war was officially over.
No one writing or signing the US Constitution was committing treason.

I will admit when I am wrong, and on this I am, I was genuinely thinking of the Declaration of Independence.

Please forgive the Treason comment.

That not withstanding I still feel as I do about the Constitution.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 4:37:06 PM

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You can feel any way you want but the words on the document directly contradict your claims.

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 4:43:57 PM

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The Men who signed the Constitution were commiting Treason, They would have been Hanged for signing and the man who drew up that little paper would have been drawn and quartered.

They did WHATEVER it took, And YES English were Killed after Torture for what they knew. This is how they managed to get it done. If you think it was all "Pomp and Circumstance" you are sadly mistaken. History is written by those who won.

Perhaps you should look into the creation of the Constitution and what exactly it meant to be doing what they did. THAT is the America I stand behind. That is MY America.

One that stood for doing what had to be done to better the condition of the country and show those who would try to destroy us that we will NOT back down No matter what it took.

There was a Time that a Sniper in a Tree was considered Bad Form and not something a "Soldier" would do.... why? Because that one Sniper would take out 10 score men before he could be taken out...... They were Losing and this is why it was Bad Form.

Extream times call for Extream Measures.

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Why is it that conservatives consistently tell us of the morals and values this country is based on yet constantly advocate violating those morals and values when they find it convenient?

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RE: Funnist Bitch Slapping Of a leftist,..evah! - 7/18/2010 5:07:52 PM

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Why is it that conservatives consistently tell us of the morals and values this country is based on yet constantly advocate violating those morals and values when they find it convenient?

Usually it is because most things are not Black and White in this world, but when dealing with shades of Gray ignoreing the black and white of something makes less sense than what the Liberal view would want us to do.

I am not saying that Torture is right, I am saying that whatever methods that we can use to protect america no matter what they are, should be used, especially when Americans are dying.

When they cut off an Americans head they just set the line. That is how far we should be willing to go to STOP IT FROM EVER HAPPENEING AGAIN.

They Bomb a Building, people die they drew a line in the sand. This is the line they are willing to work from. I say that is a line we should be willing to meet.

Right and Wrong rarely exists in War... Depending on which side you look at and who you ask you will get a different answer this is why History is written by those who won.

There is acceptable in war.... and if they draw the line meeting that line is acceptable to me.

That is how I feel. I do not agree that the Constitution should be used to protect those who are not American, I believe an American in someone who is a Citizen of this country. I see the argument you made about the use of the word "People" but as I see it it is all defined when upon reading the Constitution it says We the People if these United States. These are the People the document was refering to.

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