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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 8:01:11 PM   
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Ummm.... I think the "police action" was Korea. Check me on that, Termy. Wasn't korea a United Nations police action?
Well it was termy...so I was going to let that go.....wasn't the popular euphenism , for what was most certainly a war in VietNam, "conflict"?

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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 8:17:24 PM   
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Therefore, these declassified documents raise nothing new./snip


then why are we chasing WMDs in Iraq and why is there no exit strategy?

if we resolved this- and it is not new- then the current war would not be 9 years drag.

Surely if it is not new- then we would not have on purpose entered into a war based on fake intel.

So the New York Times runs this "not new" story- this week.   hmm.



The New York Times ran a story that only brings to light the questions about the August 4, 1964 incident, questions which had already been brought to light in 1965.

The story points out that there was a past incident of questionable facts used to justify getting involved in a war.

The simple fact that every reason that President Bush gave to invade Iraq has already been proved false, if not actually being out and out lies, as early as 2005 by various news agencies.

For example:

1) Iraqi possession of WMD's.  Iraq still had the capabilities to manufacture WMD's.

Fact:  the only weapons found were chemical agent rounds that were NOT in any condition to be fired, and were probably dud rounds used against Iranian forces.  As weapons go, they were useless.  UN inspectors had already proven that Iraq had no way to make new chemical or biological weapons some years before Bush made the claim.  Reported by the Washington Post in 2004, but I may be wrong on the date.

2) Saddam Hussein support of Osama bin Laden.
Fact:  Saddam Hussein did not support bin Laden, and had any Al Qaeda operatives caught in Iraq executed.  Reported by the BBC in 2004.

Both bits of information were well known by US intelligence services, and Bush had been briefed on these facts. 

So President Bush lied, and in the process got 4000+ American service men and women killed.

By the way, President Obama has repeatedly announced the complete withdrawal of US forces from Iraq by 2011.  Pay attention for once why dont you?


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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 8:24:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Ummm.... I think the "police action" was Korea. Check me on that, Termy. Wasn't korea a United Nations police action?
Well it was termy...so I was going to let that go.....wasn't the popular euphenism , for what was most certainly a war in VietNam, "conflict"?


I believe you are right. Congress, in their usual cowardly fashion did not vote a war declaration but gave LBJ authority "to use all appropriate means.." Same process that got us into Iraq.

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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 8:27:30 PM   
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So President Bush lied, and in the process got 4000+ American service men and women killed


Georgie's book of history revised will be out in October.

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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 8:38:18 PM   
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Therefore, these declassified documents raise nothing new./snip


then why are we chasing WMDs in Iraq and why is there no exit strategy?

if we resolved this- and it is not new- then the current war would not be 9 years drag.

Surely if it is not new- then we would not have on purpose entered into a war based on fake intel.

So the New York Times runs this "not new" story- this week.   hmm.



The New York Times ran a story that only brings to light the questions about the August 4, 1964 incident, questions which had already been brought to light in 1965.

The story points out that there was a past incident of questionable facts used to justify getting involved in a war.

The simple fact that every reason that President Bush gave to invade Iraq has already been proved false, if not actually being out and out lies, as early as 2005 by various news agencies.

For example:

1) Iraqi possession of WMD's.  Iraq still had the capabilities to manufacture WMD's.

Fact:  the only weapons found were chemical agent rounds that were NOT in any condition to be fired, and were probably dud rounds used against Iranian forces.  As weapons go, they were useless.  UN inspectors had already proven that Iraq had no way to make new chemical or biological weapons some years before Bush made the claim.  Reported by the Washington Post in 2004, but I may be wrong on the date.

2) Saddam Hussein support of Osama bin Laden.
Fact:  Saddam Hussein did not support bin Laden, and had any Al Qaeda operatives caught in Iraq executed.  Reported by the BBC in 2004.

Both bits of information were well known by US intelligence services, and Bush had been briefed on these facts. 

So President Bush lied, and in the process got 4000+ American service men and women killed.

By the way, President Obama has repeatedly announced the complete withdrawal of US forces from Iraq by 2011.  Pay attention for once why dont you?



Knock it off on the pay attention-  do research- and the like.


The point is- that unclassified papers reveal that the grid lied in order to go to war.

This then means- did the grid lie an additional time for an additional war.


9 years in the current war.   based on lies- some of which are still classified.

So the  "do your research" replies are inappropriate.

We are in endless wars.  We have even more secrecy- and we have lies and less then truths that the powers that be use to achieve these endless wars.

Focus on how we STOP endless war. 

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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 8:51:36 PM   
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I was born in '59.... dinner wasn't dinner without hearing Walter Conkrite give the daily body count...I can still here give his daily tally...and Conkrite never specified their having died in Viet Nam...his preferred phrase for where they died was "SouthEast Asia"...The man was very precise.
Years later when I took my son to Washington...he must have been 13 or 14...as we walked past the Wall...I started crying...that Wall tore me up.My son asked why I reacted so...he figured since I was too young at the time....that it wasn't "my" war.Explaining to him the nightly body count.....each and every night with dinner ...I'm not sure that he understood it at the time....but the simple answer was that I was still hearing Conkrite tell us that "7 U.S. serviceman died in SouthEast Asia today".
Yeah Termy it was a fucking war.....no matter what the politicians called it.

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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 9:03:53 PM   
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Ummm.... I think the "police action" was Korea. Check me on that, Termy. Wasn't korea a United Nations police action?


Indeed, Korea was the "Police Action." The accepted nomenclature for Vietnam is "conflict".

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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 9:22:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Knock it off on the pay attention-  do research- and the like.


The point is- that unclassified papers reveal that the grid lied in order to go to war.

This then means- did the grid lie an additional time for an additional war.


9 years in the current war.   based on lies- some of which are still classified.

So the  "do your research" replies are inappropriate.

We are in endless wars.  We have even more secrecy- and we have lies and less then truths that the powers that be use to achieve these endless wars.

Focus on how we STOP endless war. 



Fact, Obama has already begun pulling US troops out of Iraq, the last troops to be pulled out by 2011, which would end our involvement in Iraq.

If you would pay attention to mainstream news instead of these conspiracy bullshit sites you frequent, you would have known this and seen there is a exit plan being acted on.  As usual, you choose not to pay attention or actually check facts.  In other words, you did not do any research.

The withdrawal plan for Iraq was announced in 2009, with the first 12000 troops being pulled out of Iraq earlier this year.

Again if you paid attention to some news source other than conspiracy sites you would have already known this and not asked "Why isnt there an exit strategy?"   There is one and it is being implemented.

The strategy for Afghanistan is to build up troops, finish dealing with the Taliban, stabilize the Afghan government and then get out.   The withdrawal is tentatively scheduled to begin in 2012, again an exit strategy has been established, goals set, and the plan implemented.

Once more you have failed to pay attention to the main stream news outlets, failed to do any research on what is actually going on, and instead, ask a question that the average individual already knows.

Now, as far as the endless wars, well read your bible, for it clearly states "there will be wars and rumors of wars..."  and that is probably going to go on until a) Christ returns or b) humanity wipes itself out, or kills off the majority of humanity.

Now, if you believe that the earth is being visited by aliens, you could, I guess, hope that ET shows up and tells us to quit or stupid bullshit, but if there are aliens watching us, they have probably established that as a race, we are stupid, and therefore not planning on making their presence known.

Now then, the only advice I can give you to avoid reading or hearing about wars, is for you to buy a chunk of land in some remote wilderness area, build a log cabin and set it up for power by solar and wind, drill a well for water, and go off grid, no phone, tv, or internet.  You will feel a lot better.

Or, you could do all that, go off the deep end and become the next unibomber and blow up anything connected to the government, the military industrial complex, and technology as a whole.

But in the mean time, get real, get a life, start following mainstream news, keep up to date on current events, and stop being a pain in the ass to those of us who are growing tired of your continued posting about stuff that is either false or old news that has already been dealt with at some past date.


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RE: De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators... - 7/15/2010 9:35:43 PM   
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The point is- that unclassified papers reveal that the grid lied in order to go to war.

This then means- did the grid lie an additional time for an additional war.

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