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And thats why accountants are not economists.

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It is absolutely fucking impossible for any product/service/commodity to "bankrupt" the country.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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And thats why accountants are not economists.

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It is absolutely fucking impossible for any product/service/commodity to "bankrupt" the country.

I get it. We know. It's a figure of speech, as pointed out to you earlier.

The problem of spiraling costs remains, classroom chalkboard notwithstanding.

What it CAN do on your chalkboard is price health care out of the market for most people.

That's something we should avoid. Or at least a number of people, including me, would prefer we do.

Class dismissed.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is utter horseshit.

A few years back my company did some work with a software house out of Toronto. Our companies were about the same size and we liked working with each other so we started talking about joint ventures and/or a merger. We went over each others books and we had virtually identical expenses except we had our huge monthly premium for health insurance. They were able to underbid us by about 5% because their costs were that much less and that was entirely driven by our providing a fairly basic health insurance to our staff.

In a global market where people can acquire things like software from anywhere then our health care costs must come down or companies that compete internationally will continue feeling pressured to drop the coverage entirely.

Of course not one thing youve cited here in any way addresses what you claim is utter horseshit. Its basic economics, Kendoll, not surprised its beyond your ken though (pun intended)

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Agreed.

And 2012 could possibly get us out.

chia* (the pet)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

free health care is better then sliced bread.


did you know during the depression- sliced bread was illegal.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is utter horseshit.

A few years back my company did some work with a software house out of Toronto. Our companies were about the same size and we liked working with each other so we started talking about joint ventures and/or a merger. We went over each others books and we had virtually identical expenses except we had our huge monthly premium for health insurance. They were able to underbid us by about 5% because their costs were that much less and that was entirely driven by our providing a fairly basic health insurance to our staff.

In a global market where people can acquire things like software from anywhere then our health care costs must come down or companies that compete internationally will continue feeling pressured to drop the coverage entirely.

Of course not one thing youve cited here in any way addresses what you claim is utter horseshit. Its basic economics, Kendoll, not surprised its beyond your ken though (pun intended)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is utter horseshit.

A few years back my company did some work with a software house out of Toronto. Our companies were about the same size and we liked working with each other so we started talking about joint ventures and/or a merger. We went over each others books and we had virtually identical expenses except we had our huge monthly premium for health insurance. They were able to underbid us by about 5% because their costs were that much less and that was entirely driven by our providing a fairly basic health insurance to our staff.

In a global market where people can acquire things like software from anywhere then our health care costs must come down or companies that compete internationally will continue feeling pressured to drop the coverage entirely.

Of course not one thing youve cited here in any way addresses what you claim is utter horseshit. Its basic economics, Kendoll, not surprised its beyond your ken though (pun intended)

Your claim that it isn't bankrupting us is horseshit. As I've shown above. My company is being bankrupted trying to be both competitive and provide health insurance to its workers.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is utter horseshit.

A few years back my company did some work with a software house out of Toronto. Our companies were about the same size and we liked working with each other so we started talking about joint ventures and/or a merger. We went over each others books and we had virtually identical expenses except we had our huge monthly premium for health insurance. They were able to underbid us by about 5% because their costs were that much less and that was entirely driven by our providing a fairly basic health insurance to our staff.

In a global market where people can acquire things like software from anywhere then our health care costs must come down or companies that compete internationally will continue feeling pressured to drop the coverage entirely.

Of course not one thing youve cited here in any way addresses what you claim is utter horseshit. Its basic economics, Kendoll, not surprised its beyond your ken though (pun intended)

Your claim that it isn't bankrupting us is horseshit. As I've shown above. My company is being bankrupted trying to be both competitive and provide health insurance to its workers.

your company isnt the country/economy, moron.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

This is utter horseshit.

A few years back my company did some work with a software house out of Toronto. Our companies were about the same size and we liked working with each other so we started talking about joint ventures and/or a merger. We went over each others books and we had virtually identical expenses except we had our huge monthly premium for health insurance. They were able to underbid us by about 5% because their costs were that much less and that was entirely driven by our providing a fairly basic health insurance to our staff.

In a global market where people can acquire things like software from anywhere then our health care costs must come down or companies that compete internationally will continue feeling pressured to drop the coverage entirely.

Of course not one thing youve cited here in any way addresses what you claim is utter horseshit. Its basic economics, Kendoll, not surprised its beyond your ken though (pun intended)

Your claim that it isn't bankrupting us is horseshit. As I've shown above. My company is being bankrupted trying to be both competitive and provide health insurance to its workers.

your company isnt the country/economy, moron.

My company and small business like it are the economy halfwit.

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

This is why the democrats told everyone to pass the bill, you can read it later. Previously, your employer may have paid your health care premium, along with a minor contribution from you, and it was tax exempt to encourage employers to provide this for you.

Now, it will no longer be tax exempt. So they will have to include your health care premiums in your gross income, which will put millions of people into a higher tax bracket.

You people are suckers. Nothing is free in life, someone has to pay for it, and it will be the middle class. The freeloading welfare recipients will still be driving around in their new or tricked out cars, talking on cell phones, playing on the internet, and watching cable tv, thanks to hard working Americans paying for their health care. Hey, when you're having that much fun cruising and chasing women, who has time for a job, right???


http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/2011-w2-tax-forms-and?xg_source=activity

By the way, this is just one of the little surprises that people will slowly become aware of, and many of them don't kick in until after 2012 since they know it will destroy Obama's chances for reelection.

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The Canadian company, the one with single payer? Or did you think Toronto was in the US?

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The Canadian company, the one with single payer? Or did you think Toronto was in the US?

Actually I missed that, apologies. Of course its interesting that you single out a 5% difference in health care premiums but dont bother to mention the corporate tax difference, which for a profitable US company are much higher. And since you were talking about a joint venture there was obviously enough business available to support both of your staffs, so "underbidding" wasnt really an issue.

Ie I dont believe you.

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On January 1st, 2011. we will see the biggest tax increase our country has ever had. It won't be the rich, it will be everyone except the bums who already pay nothing.