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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:38:45 PM   
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Here is where you and I differ. I don't need unkind, unfeeling, "prick" type of man to feel submissive, I only submit to quite the opposite. If I choose to be submissive to someone I wouldn't even DREAM of trying to "run him over". Some of us do not need strict stern firm men. Some of us respond to dominant, not domineering.


I don't recall using that descriptor in my response. I simply said a firm hand and clearly indicated that it was a matter of personality and compatibility. I know myself and the associations I make in terms of leadership. To suggest that means the individual is an unfeeling prick is quite an assumption. Nor did I say I've chosen to submit to these men (Daddy dominants) or that I want a domineering man. I believe those are your ideas not mine. And I never defined firm. You elected to do it on my behalf. Needless to say you're wrong.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:43:53 PM   
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I share far less on the board these days. But I am very grateful for the offline friends I have made here.


It is unfortunate you share less, you have a lot to offer from your experiences, both good and bad, to many of us here. I am likewise grateful for those friendships too...


I do when I feel inclined.  But I usually don't. LOL


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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:44:20 PM   
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The responses here are funny. So many people are judging each other back and forth while claiming they aren't.

Whatever works for people works. Stern isn't necessarily domineering. Kind isn't necessarily someone you can run over.

Thankfully, most people aren't all of one thing or another. Most Doms aren't either. You can actually have a partner that is kind, loving, supportive and approachable and still at times stern and demanding which doesn't necessarily mean micromanaging either.

There's no right or wrong and y'all know better.




I am truly not judging master/slave dynamics. I have respect for them. I understand why people are attracted to them, and I do not think they are inherently unhealthy or wrong in any way.

I also think this stuff is mostly just labels that people attach to what they want, seek, and find fulfilling. There are some slave sorts that act like little girls, and vice versa... my point of drawing comparison was to show just that, slave sorts speak of dominants controlling their lives, and so do daddies girls.

I also think it is flame baiting to call out everyone that is over the age of 40 because they call their dominant "daddy" as somehow being incapable of being an adult, especially since I am a person that is over 40 and calls the dominants I have been involved with "daddy". It is not a nice thing to say because many of us have high power careers, have raised families, etc etc etc... just because we call our lover "daddy" doesn't mean we are not functioning adults.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:46:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Oops I missed this.

I can understand the desire/need for a strict touch, as I had that once myself.  I'm not sure it's universal that a Daddy does not have a firm hand.  Mine can, but has not felt the need to exercise it.  Based on who I am now, he knows I would crumble under that type of treatment.  But from where I came, compared to now, I do see the difference, for sure.  And I felt similarly - that my personality would steamroll over someone who didn't smack me down.  I also felt a Daddy would not be someone I could thrive under...but I changed - oh boy did I change LOL.

May we all find our compliments.


I don't think anything is universally true. However, we each know what works best for us and ideally we're adhering to that when searching or entertaining a prospect. The Daddy dominant men I've encountered were nice but weren't my cup of tea. That means he isn't the dominant for me, but may be precisely what another woman needs. 

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:49:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

The responses here are funny. So many people are judging each other back and forth while claiming they aren't.

Whatever works for people works. Stern isn't necessarily domineering. Kind isn't necessarily someone you can run over.

Thankfully, most people aren't all of one thing or another. Most Doms aren't either. You can actually have a partner that is kind, loving, supportive and approachable and still at times stern and demanding which doesn't necessarily mean micromanaging either.

There's no right or wrong and y'all know better.




I agree with the bolded part.

After reading the post which says we basically can't get through life without the help our our Daddy and boy must he be tired, I'm not so sure everyone knows better. 

But eh, shit happens.  It was worth speaking up about.


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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:51:03 PM   
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I don't think anything is universally true. However, we each know what works best for us and ideally we're adhering to that when searching or entertaining a prospect. The Daddy dominant men I've encountered were nice but weren't my cup of tea. That means he isn't the dominant for me, but may be precisely what another woman needs. 

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I figured you agreed about "not universal" but wanted to clarify that point for the sake of others, who might.


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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:55:23 PM   
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I've noticed a few submissive females here referring to their partner as "daddy". I don't mean to disrespect their relationships, but I find the concept a tad unsettling.

As a male, I can't envision calling a female "mommy", and I was wondering if those involved in such a relationship could explain themselves a bit. I have a desire to understand, but from the outside looking in it seems a bit incestuous, and thus off-putting.


The term I use most often when speaking to Himself is *babe* or *baby*. When we are doing something more serious or ritualistic then it's Sir or Master. When we are joking around.. it could be anything from Rat Bastid to Cuppycake to Poopyhead (or Mister Poopyhead). It's simply a term of affection and he most often calls me babe or baby as well. We don't engage in AB or any other sort of age play lifestyle or even scenes and we didn't start out calling each other babe or baby.. it just sort of evolved that way as our relationship progressed.

When we decided to explore the D/lg dynamic last year sometime, we found it felt too forced and unnatural for us so we dropped it and moved on to other things but after trying that dynamic, I became more aware of different aspects of D/lg that we did embrace but had just never thought to use the terms as a descriptor of our dynamic. There are elements which usually come out during cathartic scenes, sometimes during humiliation scenes or mocking and then the scene is over and he's my babe again. In some respects, Himself is very much a daddy as I view that term from my own perspective and what it means to me within the boundaries of an adult, consensual M/s or D/s relationship. Because I view it that way, I have never thought of it as anything other than a viable dynamic with a nurturing flavor mixed into a power exchange relationship. I think it's simple and sweet and it doesn't squick me at all. In fact, I have suggested to a some folks that Daddy might be the perfect term to use when describing their partner. For now, Himself and I are going to stick with babe and baby, I'm sure.. but that doesn't mean we might not explore D/lg at some future point. Baby's grow first into little girls after all, right?



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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 2:56:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I figured you agreed about "not universal" but wanted to clarify that point for the sake of others, who might.


I'm holding my breath to see if I can "pull" the tantrum having bedwetting stunt next time around. I picked that up from one of the kidlets over yonder. I might as well go all out.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 3:02:28 PM   
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Here is where you and I differ. I don't need unkind, unfeeling, "prick" type of man to feel submissive, I only submit to quite the opposite. If I choose to be submissive to someone I wouldn't even DREAM of trying to "run him over". Some of us do not need strict stern firm men. Some of us respond to dominant, not domineering.


I don't recall using that descriptor in my response. I simply said a firm hand and clearly indicated that it was a matter of personality and compatibility. I know myself and the associations I make in terms of leadership. To suggest that means the individual is an unfeeling prick is quite an assumption. Nor did I say I've chosen to submit to these men (Daddy dominants) or that I want a domineering man. I believe those are your ideas not mine. And I never defined firm. You elected to do it on my behalf. Needless to say you're wrong.

~porcelaine



I am going by some of the conversations on this thread about daddy doms not being "dom" enough... some of them have included being a prick... etc.

You were the one that made the assumption that daddy doms can be "run over", why is this? I wonder, how many daddies have you dated? Unless you are speaking from personal and repeated experience, I wonder from what position you speak from...

As far as from what you see on message boards, as you astutely said, what people do and what they say are two different things. This reminded me of something my last dom confided in me, which he warned me from repeating in the local community, he told me that the masters he knew usually had slaves that ran everything... which he found quite amusing. Now I don't know from first hand experience, but knowing how good he was at reading power dynamics and watching people to gauge them... he was probably very accurate in his assessment. I never known anyone so good at getting people to do what he wanted as Sinergy was, a true "master" of getting people to joyfully and cheerfully comply with his will.... and he was calculated in how he went about it.

Those who lead least, lead best.... in other words, bossy punishing strict people tend to turn me off. Leadership is delegation, it is voicing expectations, and it is listening to others to get good ideas so you can implement them. It is directing by using the willingness of those who serve your goals and needs. It is being able to make hard decisions and live with the outcome. It is the ability to admit mistakes and find solutions. It is building up those who follow you so they are a good asset and do you credit. Such a man that leads like this doesn't need to keep me in line, I will follow him as long as he wants me....

Just me, etc



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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 3:20:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I am going by some of the conversations on this thread about daddy doms not being "dom" enough... some of them have included being a prick... etc.


I didn't use that verbiage in my comments.

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You were the one that made the assumption that daddy doms can be "run over", why is this? I wonder, how many daddies have you dated? Unless you are speaking from personal and repeated experience, I wonder from what position you speak from...


Why would I get involved with a man who's authority I feel no compulsion to yield to? That wouldn't make sense at all. Whether you agree with my reasons for electing not to do so is not important. However, I've been approached by many self-described Daddy dominants and have never found it appealing for myself. I do believe my remarks included "I", which would suggest I'm speaking of myself and not in generalities instead.

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Such a man that leads like this doesn't need to keep me in line, I will follow him as long as he wants me....


When I encounter a man capable of doing such I do the same. And for me that isn't a Daddy dominant and it's my personal decision to choose otherwise. If that form of leadership works for you and you're thriving under it that's all that matters.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 3:32:55 PM   
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I've noticed a few submissive females here referring to their partner as "daddy". I don't mean to disrespect their relationships, but I find the concept a tad unsettling.

As a male, I can't envision calling a female "mommy", and I was wondering if those involved in such a relationship could explain themselves a bit. I have a desire to understand, but from the outside looking in it seems a bit incestuous, and thus off-putting.

Looking way back to the beginning, the OP said he was wanting to understand, but now here are people saying they aren't judging other dynamics, yet that is exactly what they are doing. So far, just some of the things I've heard on here are that the Daddy's girls want everything done for them by a Daddy Who doesn't enforce rules and that, apparently, they are not functional as adults in their own right, and then there are the "pro-Daddy" posters that say the M/s dynamic is too micro-managing, strict and pricky. Like I've said on other threads "Can't we all just get along?" Judgments flying back and forth do nothing at all to foster illumination and understanding. Even though our kinks may be different and we each don't understand the appeal of the other's, we should still be able to respect differences.

For me, a good Daddy is loving and wants the best for me, wants me to grow in healthy ways and be the best I can be, AND He sets and enforces definite boundaries and rules that I am expected to abide by (and I do). Daddy & I love and respect each other, neither of us takes advantage of the other, we are both functional adults, and contribute to each other's happiness and fulfillment. It's not one-way with us. I am 52 yrs old (well over 40), a healthy-functioning adult, have a respectable job as a nurse, and take care of myself, but yet....yes, I am a Daddy's girl.

I respect everyone's choice to have the dynamic of their choosing and don't judge them. I'd like to think that's a mature approach, allowing people to have different choices and not being nasty and insulting.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 3:39:26 PM   
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Why would I get involved with a man who's authority I feel no compulsion to yield to? That wouldn't make sense at all. Whether you agree with my reasons for electing not to do so is not important. However, I've been approached by many self-described Daddy dominants and have never found it appealing for myself. I do believe my remarks included "I", which would suggest I'm speaking of myself and not in generalities instead.


You have every right to do what works for you...

I just find it odd when people weigh in on things they have no interest in exploring, particularly when they hint they are "less than" what they do...

And yes, saying that you can run over a daddy dom is a bit like saying he isn't "man enough" for you. I can tell you, the daddies I have known, personally I might add, would tell you to not let the door hit you in the ass if you tried to run over them. I think this is something I noticed about the daddies I have known, if a woman doesn't want to be there experiencing the dynamic the way they designed it... well perhaps that meant she had outgrown him and needed to move on to someone else....a nicer way of saying they kick their ass to the curb

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 4:17:45 PM   
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I just find it odd when people weigh in on things they have no interest in exploring, particularly when they hint they are "less than" what they do...


Then you clearly jumped the gun because I did weigh in on this thread earlier.

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And yes, saying that you can run over a daddy dom is a bit like saying he isn't "man enough" for you.


No, you don't need to tell me anything. You have an interesting way of putting words in my mouth that I didn't utter. If I meant to say he wasn't man enough I'd do so.

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I can tell you, the daddies I have known, personally I might add, would tell you to not let the door hit you in the ass if you tried to run over them.


And what you fail to realize is that if I can remotely run over him there is nothing to consider. Which means I dismissed him not the other way around.

I think it's neat that this is your thing. But there will always be people that disagree. Whether they do it in your face or remotely. That's life. But if you're going to dismantle my remarks. It would help if you address what's stated rather than the things you're inferring instead.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 4:27:44 PM   
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I respect the fact that it isn't your interests. I do not mean to battle over this. I just think people sometimes do not know how they come across with what they write (myself included).

And I have been unnecessarily defensive with you, I apologize, because truly, you were not the most "judgmental" person on this thread... truly you were not...

I apologize, Porcelaine, for being too defensive... when truly, the dynamic does work for me, and I am happy camper, and that is all that is really important. The other people on this thread that have been less than kind, projecting their issues, etc, should not bother me because it does work for me.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 4:32:30 PM   
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I have never called anyone Daddy other than my own father and I never intend to. It just would not work for me. I would not want to be called either Mommy or Little Girl. I actually dislike when men write me and say, how is the little girl today? I also would never call myself L'il anything.

I am not little nor am I a girl. I have girlish tendencies, but I am all woman, so age play is not for me and neither is little girl even as a term of affection. I would feel too actressy if I had to say that and it would not work because the feelings would not be there, therefore making such words inauthentic.

I have mostly been in D/s relationships with men younger than me so it never came up. Also my type of dynamic is more Master-ish, and I don't see Daddy Doms in that way.

As much as I want a well rounded relationship where caring, love, support, protection are part of things, I want that as an equal partner who happens to be submissive.

I only will ever have one Dad, and thankfully he is still very much with us.

Of course this is just my opinion of what is right for me and it's cool for everyone else to have whatever dynamic they desire.


Hey SexyRed, that is exactly what I mean as well. I never really see a Daddy Dom type as being compatible with myself either, I need someone a bit more of a prick Dom..  One that loves me, but prickly none the less.



Aynne, I don't want a prick Dom. I had one. I got rid of him. He is so gone, there needs to be a new word for gone. Being a prick to me was not working for me.

As others have said, we can all have our opinions and respect each other's. I also find that nothing in life is black and white, especially people and their relationships. So I prefer an amalgam of all the traits I am seeking and whatever works for everyone else is their business.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 4:54:39 PM   
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This thread is exactly why I can't stand most other people in this lifestyle. I mean, c'mon, we're all on the same team here. We're all a bit too kinky for the "normal" world but instead of being supportive of each other, we find every moment we can to do exactly what we know the "normal" world would do to each and every one of us if they knew half of what we did in private. Yes, I know some people don't care and do what they do in public too but for the most part, people keep this part of themselves pretty private - hence alot of people not putting pictures of themselves on their profiles.

Who the h-e-double hockey sticks cares if someone, who you are not at all involved with, calls their partner daddy, mommy, slut, whore, pig, papa...you get the picture. Is it ok to be curious as to the why someone does that...of course! How are you to know if it's something you might have any remote interest in if you don't talk to those who actually engage in that type of play. It is *not* ok to sit there and judge those who do decide to have pet names for the partners.
I, for one, do call my husband Daddy. Why do I do it? We both love my childish nature and he feels that Daddies are nurturing and caring. I also have a strong trigger in my brain for the parental discipline I got as a kid and alot of times need it to keep me in check. We don't pretend that I'm a child. Yes, I will call him Daddy during sex because it's something we both enjoy. Quite honestly I act like one on my very own and don't need to pretend. It's not at all meant to be incestuous. If people want to pretend they are a child, that's their business. Personally, I don't agree with it but I'm certainly not going to berate someone who does enjoy that. Who am I to do that? Who are any of us to tell someone that what they are interested in or like or whatever is not acceptable? That makes each and every one of you no better than those on the outside of the lifestyle who judge us to begin with.

Think about it...how many "normal" women would approve of submission and for that matter...how many "normal" butch guys would approve of males submissives? Each is just showing how weak we are...right? Most of us "in the know", know that it takes a pretty strong person to give up all control to someone else. It's not at all that we're weaker. I'd say something about being Dom but let's all be honest here...most of the people out there would approve of being Dom (not an asshole...Dom - totally different) before they would agree with being submissive.

So to all those out there who like to call their partner Daddy or Papa or anything else that makes you both happy...KEEP ON ROCKIN! We didn't decide to engage in these activties just to have to be normalized by other lifestyle people who feel that everyone should do things their way.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 5:05:25 PM   
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I respect the fact that it isn't your interests. I do not mean to battle over this. I just think people sometimes do not know how they come across with what they write (myself included).


I was very transparent on this thread and included a perspective that I knew some would find offensive. But as my previous owner always said, so what. He owned my ass. The only opinion that I had to worry about in terms of what we did were ours. I responded to that post because I've seen that behavior elsewhere. I don't pretend to understand it but it works for them and I respect that.

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And I have been unnecessarily defensive with you, I apologize, because truly, you were not the most "judgmental" person on this thread... truly you were not...


I have lived as a little girl 24/7 in the past and openly acknowledged how the relationship impacted me. I'm speaking from personal experience about what is best in the here and now. My opinion about Daddy dominants isn't negative at all. There's an individual on this thread living that dynamic and she'd be the first to tell you that I'm tickled pink about her happiness. There has never been a time when I felt he wasn't worthy of her or adding value to her life. If anything I'm darned glad they met. She's happy and that makes me happy as well.

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I apologize, Porcelaine, for being too defensive... when truly, the dynamic does work for me, and I am happy camper, and that is all that is really important. The other people on this thread that have been less than kind, projecting their issues, etc, should not bother me because it does work for me.


Apology accepted and no hard feelings.

I would hope that you keep that fertile soil pure. And understand the reference that I made the other day. If you're happy relish that and don't let anything move you away from that place. And don't stop sharing. Do it because you have something of value that another person might benefit from. Think of all the things that could have been learned that you didn't put forth. If one person grabs a nugget it was not for naught.

Thank you for your graciousness.

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 5:19:50 PM   
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And don't stop sharing. Do it because you have something of value that another person might benefit from.


Being who I am, I will continue to share unless someone that I gave that decision over to tells me otherwise.. unfortunately, some of the perspectives presented in this thread, the stereotypes pushed forward, etc, may keep more timid people away... Who wants their dynamic and their very life held up to ridicule? One the one hand, I am a "big girl" and can handle that other people may think that my life is somehow less than theirs because I call my lover a different name then they call theirs... I think, "whatever and just get the fuck over yourself and your superiority"... and as someone recently said to me "If people have to hold your relationship as somehow inferior to theirs, it shows theirs is lacking something"... I tend to agree with that assessment

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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 5:34:28 PM   
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And don't stop sharing. Do it because you have something of value that another person might benefit from.


Being who I am, I will continue to share unless someone that I gave that decision over to tells me otherwise.. unfortunately, some of the perspectives presented in this thread, the stereotypes pushed forward, etc, may keep more timid people away... Who wants their dynamic and their very life held up to ridicule? One the one hand, I am a "big girl" and can handle that other people may think that my life is somehow less than theirs because I call my lover a different name then they call theirs... I think, "whatever and just get the fuck over yourself and your superiority"... and as someone recently said to me "If people have to hold your relationship as somehow inferior to theirs, it shows theirs is lacking something"... I tend to agree with that assessment


It is human nature to belittle or question what we don't understand. I don't believe the intention behind the words are always malicious. But this I will say. When I am owned he is king. Nothing can blind me to the beauty of being his. Not here or elsewhere. And being his means that I resonate that in everything I do. It wouldn't matter what others thought or stated. He towers well above them all and that is what I align myself to.

The testament of my tether isn't the good moments. It's the trying times when I could behave otherwise. When conduct unbecoming might be fitting but would serve to mar what he's imparted to me and that is not allowed. I sincerely understand your feelings and recognize that some subjects are difficult to discuss without derision occurring. And while it is easy for me to take these things to heart, I simply accept that person cannot see it through my eyes. Hopefully that will change in time or they'll encounter someone that inspires them to look a little deeper.

~porcelaine


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RE: Daddy dominants - 7/26/2010 6:35:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bratinneed
This thread is exactly why I can't stand most other people in this lifestyle. I mean, c'mon, we're all on the same team here. We're all a bit too kinky for the "normal" world but instead of being supportive of each other, we find every moment we can to do exactly what we know the "normal" world would do to each and every one of us if they knew half of what we did in private.

Ridiciulous, isn't it. there's too much of this going on.
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ORIGINAL: bratinneed

So to all those out there who like to call their partner Daddy or Papa or anything else that makes you both happy...KEEP ON ROCKIN! We didn't decide to engage in these activties just to have to be normalized by other lifestyle people who feel that everyone should do things their way.

Thank you.

~sweetsub~

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In lowering yourself to talking behind my back, you're perfectly positioned to kiss my ass.

An it harm none, do what ye wilt.

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