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RE: Child support - 7/20/2010 9:31:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


There is no way out of the civil injutice done to us in this country unless we can get some form of solidarity. We can't even organize a boycott anymore, even on one square city block ! What does that say about us ?

It says we deserve to get fucked.

T


What we need Termy, is to get rid of representative democracy. They represent themselves and big business only.

Real democracy, is the empowerment of the people, and not, the empowerment of politicians. In the UK, we have a kleptocracy - rule by thieves. They get to vote for their own pay rises, allowances, and expenses. They can even claim for new plasma tv's, washing machines, shopping etc. We even had one jerk claiming to have his moat dredged !

Like you folks, what we really need is real/ deliberative democracy. Go wikipedia for it. It looks good to me.

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RE: Child support - 7/20/2010 9:37:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, it does take two. Sadly I was married and bought into that for life deal they try to sell you when you are growing up. What bugged me was that once he left and found the new life our children were "lessor" to his more important children. "I" was still paying for my responsibility. I bought food, clothing, paid for electricity, gas, water, the roof over their head. I did not abandon my duties.
The only other time any money came from his pocket was when the nabbed his taxes for back support.
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Missokyst

  I agree with you whole heartly !!  Many males get off scott free in not paying for child support!For what whatever reason.  But( don't you just hate the BUTS) It's does takes TWO !  I know of three guys , that are just  bums, that just  don't want to work. ( I know that for a fact, had them all work for me, even help them get other jobs) The only job they were any good at was getting out of work!!  All three were on drugs at one time or another all were in jail at one time or another! Two of them stole from me. Yet all three had kids!!!  One for the life of me was liveing with this women that had a good job and a nice place ! Yet she was going with this one asshole!Taking care of him. Remember I said it take two!!  What on earth do these females see in these looser!!!    Yes if you are going to father a child , stand up and BE A MAN, BE a  DAD!!   Then again women kick his damm ass out of bed before it happen !!!!  Takes TWO!


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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 12:41:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Raising kids takes cash. If you don't have it, don't make them"

It takes two.

Don't spread them legs then I guess, until you got some sort of contract. Oh nevermind, they had that and it was called marriage. After a five thousand year trial it was found that it just doesn't work. Too bad huh ?

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 12:45:06 AM   
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"I love it when people cry foul long after the facts and can't stand up for themselves, making them victims of some woman or system. "

Your spouse has put you out of the house. She kept your tools and all you have is  a shitcan car and the clothes on your back. Where do I send the summons ?

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 4:23:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got screwed in my divorce b/c he had an attorney and I didn't.
My kids got screwed in child support for 4 yrs b/c he and an attorney and I didn't
Then I discovered that EVERY county has a Child Support Division. That costs NOTHING. Either parent can go in and file a child support claim. Once I did that my child support went from $50 a mth for 2 kids to close to $600 for 2 kids.

I know ALOT of single fathers. Who have sole custody of their children. Who are the sole providers for their children. They fight the same battles getting child support from their dead beat moms as some women do with dead beats dad. It's not a gender issue, its a character flaw, its a responsibility issue IMO.

I have a friend of several yrs who I didn't speak to for along time because when he lost his job he made the choice to hold out for another job in his field. In the mean time almost a year past and his 4 kids went without child support. His ex had a good job and was able to carry it on her own but she shouldn't have had to. I'm sorry, collect cans, flip burgers, sell your ass but as a parent you have a responsibility to support your children. It costs money to keep a roof over their head, to keep power on in their house, to keep food in their bellies, to keep clothes on their backs. He eventually lost his licence due to none payment of child support. I told him he derserved far more than that.Several weeks later he found the money to pay the arrears owed to get it back and took a job outside his field. Imagine that.

I will say that I do NOT agree that visitation should be withheld due to nonpayment of childsupport. Those or 2 different issues IMO (and in the courts eyes from my exeprience). I see far to many people (both men and women) us visitiation as a way to manipulate the other parent. Its sad and its unfair. Children have a right to both parents unless there is abuse of some sort.

If their is a standing order IMO it is the responsibility of the the parent with phyical custody to make sure that order is enforced. Even if that child says, "I dont wanna go." If there is an order in place and either parent isnt keeping up their end take it back before the judge. If a parent is late picking up or droping off a child or refuses to abide by a court order call the cops they will enforce the order.


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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 7:24:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		No matter what two people did to each other during a relationship, who cheated on who, or how adults hurt each other, that is completely secondary to Me.  It doesn't stop the fact that, every single day, a child needs food in their stomach, clothes on their back, and a roof over their head.  The custodial parent has to find a way to manage to meet those needs, regardless of how bad the economy is or whether or not they can find a job.  Whether you see your kid every day or haven't seen them all year, they still wake up every day wanting breakfast and they want dinner every night. 

The excuse of not knowing where they are doesn't fly.  Go to the courthouse of the county that you got your divorce and find a way to get the child support to them.  Put it in the damn bank every week in a savings account so it can be theirs when you do find them.  If somebody is going to say that they would be paying if they knew where they were, they can manage to set that money aside.  It belongs to your kid anyway.

For every story out there about the non custodial parent who got screwed, there is a child out there that somebody, somehow, is managing to take care of. 


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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 7:44:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		My husband most definitely did not get to see his 4 kids, for the first 9 years after I left him. Neither did he pay a dime of child support. It was a trade off. Yes, I struggled financially, but I did it to protect my children from his influence, drug addiction, mental issues and abuse. In the most recent 4 years, he's only been allowed to come here to see them, I wouldn't let them go to him. Which means he's spent 3 weeks total in 13 years with his children. People may think that is cold, wrong and there's no excuse, but I definitely make no apologies.

I could have sued him for child support, but he had already fucked up his life enough. I knew he couldn't/wouldn't pay, that his money went to drugs, and didn't see any reason to see him in jail more than he already saw himself there for his other issues.

It would have been nice to have the extra cash, raising 4 boys wasn't cheap. But, I didn't care about the money. I cared about keeping my kids safe.

His story is that I'm a fucking bitch who kept his kids from him, screwed him over and ruined his life because I broke his heart when I left him.

Everyone has a fucking story.

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 8:38:43 AM   
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OK, I understand that alot of custodial Parents get screwed and my own Mother was one of them. The olman was paying when he was in town but things got a bit too hot legally for him and he took off to parts unknown for a time. During that time she got nothing. So in essence I have been on the short end of that stick. When he got back there was alot of catching up to do, but it was done in cash. Also every year they did their taxes about four different ways, splitting us "deductions" up and filing to get the maximum tax refund, and then just split it up. His legal problems had nothing to do with child support, and my Mother suffered because of it. I learned what it was like to do without.

I have no problem with putting deadbeat Dads or Moms in jail. This is punishment and intended to be a deterrent. But the fact is that this state takes licenses at the drop of a hat, so much so that in Ohio when it comes to employability a driver's license is more valuable than a degree. I shit you not.

This is wrong. Let's put it this way, if you put the bum in jail, he won't be driving anywhere. As far as I'm concerned, let the drug heads out to make room for the deadbeats. But after they serve some time, at least let them drive, it is essential for most people for their employment. Maybe that is my point. I think the intent of issuing driver's licenses should be as pure as the original intent - to make sure that drivers know and obey the basic rules of the road. Actually if you go out driving you probably know that this is not being accomplished.

There is a little known place, a bank somewhere offshore, that promises NOT to give your money back, nor even tell you how much you have. It is specifically designed so that you are unable to comply with a US court order. In other words the purpose is for tax evasion. It only works sometimes, and is probably shut down because they now know about it, and having such an account is prima facie evidence that you intend to evade taxes. But it did work for a few people for a short time. So if the inability to comply with a court order is a valid defense in that case, why not here ? Sure we got hungry kids, but if the couple had never split up they would be just as hungry.

Now we have this fucked up economy, and you have these assholes like Judge Judy who say to go pick up cans. Bullshit. With all the partying I've done over the years, and I mean with friends and drinking heavily myself, in a month I could save up about fifty bucks worth of cans. This simply doesn't cut it and is therefore a waste of time. If you have hungry mouths to feed, wasting time is not a good thing. In other words, don't pick up cans, drop them off, i.e. drive a beer truck. That should net you maybe $15 an hour at least, which might be enough.

It's damn hard enough to find people in real life who can think things through logically and determine an effective solution, but it seems noone in government is able to do so at all. All of this shit is non productive. Like penalties for late tax payments. You dumb motherfuckers, you think I want you on my ass for this money ? If I had it I would pay it, so now you make it harder ? What sense does that make. Actually interest I can understand. But another little known thing is that in an audit, you can offer the tax, and refuse to pay any interest or penalties, it's been done more than once and 99% of the time they will take it. That's because when you assert it they know you will have a credible defense if they run your ass into court. Details on that some other time.

The way I see it, even having been on the short end, is to put people in jail for any debt is a debtor's prison and that is supposed to be against the law in this country. Either yes or no. That means if you think the deadbeat Dads should go to jail, YOU should go to jail for missing a credit card payment, and they are working on that, see other posts, it has been brought up.

You know this whole motherfucker brings me alot of disdain. I can see that it is [inappropriate] knee jerk reaction typical of the government(s) here. I caan take this to a much higher level (or is it lower ? ) with two words :

Food stamps.

So you got someone down and out who can't afford food. The government gives them monet for food. OK, not that crazy about the idea but I can live with it. But now it was found that people were using the money for other purposes. So they came out with food stamps. But the will of the "people" survived and they took to selling the food stamps. Some sold them for booze or drugs, most in fact. I happen to know a couple people who traded them for gasoline, literally to get to work to get off the public dole. To get their earning power in order. To better themselves.

But it is alot harder now that they have the cards, referrred to on the street as the "grub stub". It has become a whole new sub-economy. Sure some misuse it and just get high while their kids starve, but what if they work and just don't bring the money home where it belongs ? What do you do about that ?

But when a couple splits up the government gets involved. And they charge a fee of course. Now if you got a guy who is making good money, driving a new Hummer and all this and refuses to pay that paltry couple hundred a month to suport those who he spawned, I am all for putting his ass in jail. In fact let him just check in and park that Hummer, and drive home - after paying the parking. You took away all his rights for a time by putting him in jail. Why would you break his legs as he walks out the door ? It doesn't make sense if you are truly trying to compel payment.

This persistent inclination to not actually solve the problem leads me to believe that they do not want to solve the problem at all. I don't put it past them and I see more evidence of it every day. This is in all aspects of government.

(sorry this is unproofed)

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 10:23:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was not an issue for me. I made the cash. I supported the kids. I knew that going into it. Never count on forever.
If more men were made to face up to the children they spawn there would be a lot less of these court mandated orders that you find so unfair. I faced my responsibilities. He should have as well but never did. And based on his second ex wifes claim I can tell you that he did blame it all on me. She learned better.



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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Raising kids takes cash. If you don't have it, don't make them"

It takes two.

Don't spread them legs then I guess, until you got some sort of contract. Oh nevermind, they had that and it was called marriage. After a five thousand year trial it was found that it just doesn't work. Too bad huh ?

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 3:33:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		They do not take licenses at the drop of the hate. You have to be owe a certain amount and you are notified on several occassions and given several opportunities to fix the issue. If someone chooses not to that is their choice.

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 6:34:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, if you don't have the money, and I mean through no fault of your own like a layoff or your job going offshore, please outline those vast choices you have.

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 7:05:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		This always astounds me.  NO job is less than what I would do to support my family.  I have moved furniture, delivered cars, sold them, worked as a singer, an artist, a dancer, gone to school and worked in retail, served drinks and worked as a bouncer.  If you are laid off, you get another job.  You find work even if it is outside your comfort level if you can.  You do what you need to, to survive and support your family.  Why do people feel they MUST only do certain things?
To me that seems like an excuse to fail. I detest those that use the "poor me" mentality to justify not taking care of business.  Someone needs big girl panties.

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 7:17:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut

I got screwed in my divorce b/c he had an attorney and I didn't.
My kids got screwed in child support for 4 yrs b/c he and an attorney and I didn't
Then I discovered that EVERY county has a Child Support Division. That costs NOTHING. Either parent can go in and file a child support claim. Once I did that my child support went from $50 a mth for 2 kids to close to $600 for 2 kids.

I know ALOT of single fathers. Who have sole custody of their children. Who are the sole providers for their children. They fight the same battles getting child support from their dead beat moms as some women do with dead beats dad. It's not a gender issue, its a character flaw, its a responsibility issue IMO.

I have a friend of several yrs who I didn't speak to for along time because when he lost his job he made the choice to hold out for another job in his field. In the mean time almost a year past and his 4 kids went without child support. His ex had a good job and was able to carry it on her own but she shouldn't have had to. I'm sorry, collect cans, flip burgers, sell your ass but as a parent you have a responsibility to support your children. It costs money to keep a roof over their head, to keep power on in their house, to keep food in their bellies, to keep clothes on their backs. He eventually lost his licence due to none payment of child support. I told him he derserved far more than that.Several weeks later he found the money to pay the arrears owed to get it back and took a job outside his field. Imagine that.

I will say that I do NOT agree that visitation should be withheld due to nonpayment of childsupport. Those or 2 different issues IMO (and in the courts eyes from my exeprience). I see far to many people (both men and women) us visitiation as a way to manipulate the other parent. Its sad and its unfair. Children have a right to both parents unless there is abuse of some sort.

If their is a standing order IMO it is the responsibility of the the parent with phyical custody to make sure that order is enforced. Even if that child says, "I dont wanna go." If there is an order in place and either parent isnt keeping up their end take it back before the judge. If a parent is late picking up or droping off a child or refuses to abide by a court order call the cops they will enforce the order.

Divorced parent of one.....not every woman feels the need to be a parent.My ex certainly didn't,though I wish she had been more forthcoming with that information....I stayed in a miserable marriage because I had a need to say good night and good morning to my only son.The nicest words that woman ever said to me was..."come get your son".My response to her was "are you sure,we are not going to play ping pong with my son".She was sure...or at least she thought she was...right up till the court told her just how much she had to pay in child support.She paid,and on time...as a matter of fact the nicest thing I can say about her as a parent is.....she rights a nice check ';-)

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 9:57:20 PM   
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Geezus fucking Christ, and I don't say that often. I really shouldn't, but one more time to get the point across.

Hypothetical situation OK ? The child support order is for $400 a month and you make $350 a month. Where do you buy bus tickets ?

You will never drive again because the arrearage is always increasing and you are never going to be in compliance, so you CAN'T get your old job back making twice as much because it requires a license. Are we on the same page now ?

Are you allowed to die ? Are you allowed to go to jail ? I know you are allowed to go to jail, and the day you get out you owe $80,000 and have no job.

Sorry, I am just letting a little bit of my humanity peek out. My situation is different. First of all I have no kids that I know of, and even though I own, operate and maintain a motor vehicle I get rides to and from work for free. I am trying to see this from another point of view. To me JJ didn't do me so bad that I got rid of him or anything, but he is pretty close to what I said. Very lacking in skills. The best job he ever had was as a painter. You can make that pay if you know what you're doing but still the problem is alot of people can do it. We tried him out working construction, some car repair and I forget what else. He flopped. He can't grasp electronics, as if that would do any good in 2010, mechanics, or much more than like driving or mowing grass or maybe some landscaping. Well folks they simply can't bring those jobs to you, you go to them. Also JJ is dyslexic and has learned to read, but slowly, so he is not likely to ever be a C++ software writer or an IT profewssional, and THOSE jobs don't come to you either ! You simply have to go there and in alot of cases the venue changes.

And speaking of venue, the best revenue comes from places where it is impossible to get by bus. I remember when I was jammed up and afraid to drive, I took a cab to work. But I wasn't working for minimum fuckling wage to say the least. I don't really care about JJ's little infractions against me right now, I still see this as kicking a Man when he is down. In the case of JJ as well as MI, their exes also ran up a shitload of utility bills in their names and they can no longer live independently.

Time to escalate this to a new level. None of those mentioned are the brightest bulb on the tree to say the least. I know this, and for example JJ can't even have a bank account now, but that is not his exes fault. And MI can never have gas or electric in his name, which is his exes fault. (well his for not killing her on the spot)

In no way am I saying that they did not create their own problems. Men - if she puts you out for whatever reason, file first ! But I can't expect everyone to know how to deal with the system, it is a bit complicated at times. None of these three guys are all that smart, but nobody said you have to be a rocket scientist to live well in this country. I completely understand that they have a responsibility, but there is a big difference between won't and can't. What if they had never split up and were out of work. The contribution would be the same would it not ? But no, she fell out of love and now he has to pay separate rent and utilities, all the while forking over half of his pay not knowing if it is going for food or heroin. And JJ knows for a fact his ex uses alot. She has seven kids, but only three of them are his. How does he know his money is going to his kids ? He might love all seven just the same but he only has a responsibility for three of them.

And now the epitome of the escalation :

What are you dumb broads doing fucking these losers ? If you brought them home to meet my Mom it would be you who is out the fucking door. True, but a strange statement. Just so happens my sinister who is 46 has a boyfriend who is like 22. But she is smart enough not to get knocked up. The guy appeals to her, and I say you only live once. But he is practically devoid of skills right now. However he does show signs of a live brain and we are going to try him out working construction Saturday. While I was at work, my mason gave him a tutorial on the tools. As a laborer on the jobsite he acts pretty much like a nurse would during surgery. Always make sure that mason/bricklayer has bricks and mortar, that is the crux of the job. He will show you how to do everything. He is getting the kid cheap for now, but will pay bonuses and raises. In fact with this guy, if you get the job done by noon you still get paid to the end of the day. Our ilk knows the value of rewarding good performance.

But she makes twice as much as he will at this time. What if he gets her knocked up ? How can he possibly pay half ?

And then we have the case of JS, who has been a househusband since about 1992 and really excelled at it. The kids were taught right, the house was always clean, he cooked all the time and did quite well at that. The only reason he became a househusband is because his olady got a really good job. He had benefits as well. First of all he gave her a house and with her credit she got a loan to remodel and expand for the growing family. Would that be taken into consideration ? I bet not. Even though he did all the labor.

The system will crush the little guy like a Hebrew slave unless Moses shows up with a knife to cut their caught clothing off from the big rock they are moving (you do remember the Moses movies on TV around Christmas right ? ) And their callous disregard in their application of the law or whatever is extant today. That is my point, that is THE point.

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 10:17:38 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		My sister was a lousy mother.  She would have fit into this no need to be the single parent slot, IF society had not pushed the guilt button that says the mom should be the custodial parent.  These days in Ca, most custody is jointly shared.

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Divorced parent of one.....not every woman feels the need to be a parent.My ex certainly didn't,though I wish she had been more forthcoming with that information

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 10:21:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I still see excuses to fail.  I am dyslexic, I adapted.  I am agorophobic, yet I work in a field that requires I make my way out to peoples houses every day.  Failure is not an option.  And my ex husband who used the court systems to get out of paying child support was very successful at having his payments to raise OUR children constantly reduced based on his income.  He still did not pay.  You are basing your thesis on the words of men who only offer excuses.  How reasonable is that?

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RE: Child support - 7/21/2010 10:33:24 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Miss, you obviously have some strong opinions about this.

Let me take it to the next level then (I will never run out of them).

My child support order is for $600 per mointh. Both my legs are broken and I have a heart condition, I am also blind. I get $550 a month disability.

If all this were true would you put me in jail like a judge who jacks off under the bench and make five fucking times what you make in your best day ? And you don't even know that some guy's lawyer is in chambers during a recess giving him braibes ?

Hypothetically, now what is your position ?

Fine, if you happened to marry Johnny Carson then things are different, but you did not.

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RE: Child support - 7/22/2010 12:00:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Child support can be a real bitch. One of my ex co-workers has 3 kids with 2 different women. When he was with the first woman, he paid all the bills because he was the man and that's how he was raised. She enjoyed punching and kicking him and laughing at his reaction. They split up and he started paying child support on his 2 sons. Then he met the second woman and got her pregnant. She had a bad temper and broke stuff over his head. They split up and he started paying child support on his 3rd child. He worked hard and his paychecks after child support were $215 every 2 weeks. He has no drivers license because he was caught driving without insurance. He couldn't afford to pay for car insurance because of his child support. He has no family he can live with so he lives alone in a cheap apartment. He depends on women he's involved with to help pay his bills and treats them like shit because he hates depending on them. His first ex told his sons he's a man whore. Last I knew he got approved for a student loan and is starting school in August. When he gets out of college he will owe both student loans and child support. Unless he gets a job that pays $20/hr he will be in worse shape than he is now. The way the economy is now, that isn't likely. I have nothing against child support, just the way the law handles it. The person paying should be left with enough income to live on. If a man is thrown in jail over child support, work release should be immediate. And they should never suspend a drivers license over child support because it defeats the purpose. If a man can't drive, it interferes with him getting to and from work. If he can't get to work, he can't make money to pay the child support.

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RE: Child support - 7/22/2010 2:20:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow defiant, some sense out of the matter. I am all for making these deadbeats pay, but all this shit takes away their ability to pay. THAT is what I am talking about. Every fucking thing the government does seems to be counterproductive.

This is deeper of an issue than who fucked whom. Work release sounds good. He has no rent, he can't go partying, and if he is a deadbeat by choice that serves him right, but what of Johnny Carson ? Ten grand a month, thrity grand a month ? It must be based on ability. Now if the government did not aspire to take every last fucking dime from everyone, maybe there would be less guys adept at hiding income.

The voice of reason is unheeded at least, possibly unheard.

T

(in reply to defiantbadgirl)
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RE: Child support - 7/22/2010 2:26:46 AM   
LadyEllen


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From: Stourport-England
Status: offline 		Now why would anyone who could, authorise work release from prison when the work done by those in prison is so profitable to them, being slave labour and all?

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