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porcelaine -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 7:54:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lally2

since becoming a single parent and most specifically Toms mum ive erred on the side of caution on his behalf - to be honest, if someone felt vaguely 'off' to me i just didnt go there. its why i do spend a fair amount of time getting to know a person through phone calls and through emails and chat before i ever meet.   a person can keep a facade up for a while, but if you can lull a person into being more who they are thats when you pick up on shit.


I have always felt that my daughter was my saving grace. Thankfully I didn't replicate the situation that I foolishly placed myself within. Nor did I want to leave her unattended or put undue hardship on my family because of my stupidity. The irony of my location and the temptation it provides have never encouraged me to walk that path again. I've changed.

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ive read how people insist on meeting up asap - ive never really agreed with that, but never said it so much.  the intensity of cyber and listening on the phone to how people speak, listen to you tells you a whole lot more about a person than some people give credit.


I've met my share of people from the Internet in the past, both friends and two partners. However, life was different back then in the early days. I would be unwillingly to do the same right now. But, many of those connections still remain well over a decade since their inception.

In regard to men, I use different criteria and I'm much more careful overall. When conversing with a prospect I take note on his reaction to the subject and interactions outside of this realm as well. It's very telling and allows me to gauge his time frame and willingness to extend the line. I'll be the first to admit I cut to the quick and recognize there are some that will never leave the Internet or attempt to establish their bond via phone to the degree where the meeting is a guarantee of sorts in their mind. From a practical standpoint where distance is concerned I'm a realist. His hesitation can be due to financial issues, fear, or misrepresentation. The bottom line is that we're in two different locales and if he's skittish I don't waste my energy.

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i have never had a fuck fuck fuck..... what have i done moment and i hope i never do.


I'm not a casual player and for the most part I view the above as poor decision-making by the assigned. The only one watching my back is yours truly. And if I put myself in the wrong hands I have no one to blame for my carelessness. Risk is an inevitable element of any relationship, however, I make sure that I know who I'm taking the leap for and if he's worth it before jumping. That's kept me from calamities' clutches. 

~porcelaine




juliaoceania -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 8:02:18 AM)

My prevention is to only do that sort of play with people who insist on developing trust before taking me there....

In other words, when I am seeing someone, play is not casual to me, and I listen for THEM to say they have limits of putting anyone new into a situation where they are completely vulnerable. I am wary of men that are in a hurry to tie me up and then beat me instead of slowly building the prerequisite trust to engage in that sort of play. Now could I be "fooled"? I suppose I could be, but if I were, everyone I know in the vanilla world would know who had my body[:D] (in other words, I tell people that love me who I am spending a lot of time with, their name, locale, and their employment...lol)




LadyPact -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 8:35:08 AM)

This is a really good thread, Bita.  My thanks to you and everyone who has participated in it.

Thankfully, no, I haven't been in that position.  I'd like to claim anything other that just plain good luck, but I don't think it would apply.  As you very aptly stated, anybody can be fooled.

It's always good to have the occasional reminder of the old adage about the position that a person is in once they have given up their hands and feet.




Missokyst -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 9:20:27 AM)

What do you do? You wait. You watch. You observe your target and plan out what you can do IF the opportunity arises. You think of yourself as prey who has been caught and will likely be killed at any moment. You look for weakness, flaws in reasoning, chance or mistakes. You estimate the personality of the aggressor and think of ways you can exploit what you already know.

When I was younger I used to test this out in dangerous ways. My brother used to tell me, you are small, if you get into trouble you need to act fast because you won't get another chance. Acting fast for me is thinking quickly and hitting hard if I must. Mostly I have been able to out maneuver them. As a kid I would sometimes hitchhike to the beach. One time I got into the truck only to discover there was not a door handle on the inside. I was pretty sure this was not good so I took a deep breath and evaluated my opponent. He was probably in his late 20's, a smoker, wirey, with muscled arms. He put his hand on my leg and made it pretty clear what he expected. I thought about saying no but it did not seem a wise move. I told him I was having a bad day and needed to see some beach, asked for a cigarette (I didnt smoke) and smiled tentatively. I could see him relax. He gave me a cigarette which I briefly considered jamming into his cheek as he drove but passed on that. He told me he would take me to his place which was near the beach. I asked, do you have a Christmas tree up? He told me no and I got perky, happy and asked if it would be ok if I got one to put in his house.
He said sure and I directed him to a local farm.
I knew that my school would be selling from that location. We walked around the trees picking out good ones, while his hand held me firmly in his grip. And then I spotted someone I knew. I told the guy who held me that I better say hello because Mark would figure something was wrong. The upshot was that when I got to Mark I made my move. That guy quickly left without a backward glance.
If that had not worked I would have played along, waiting for defenses to go down and another opportunity to arise. Die? Only if it was the last chance to escape an intolerable situation.



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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

So what do you do when you find yourself in that situation? When your gut and instinct have failed you and you are bound by someone who is dangerous to you? Besides physical restraints, there are mental and emotional restraints that are just as difficult (if not more so) to cast off so I am speaking asking about situations when you are already bound.. not what to do to prevent that from happening.






mstrjx -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 2:22:51 PM)

Hello. My name is Jeff. And from reading a majority of the responses above me, that would make me your worst nightmare.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am perfectly legitimate, and everything I claim to be maybe even a smidge more, but I'm safer than even your average garden hose.

Long before I was on CM, I was on some telephone personal ad service in the 'alternative' section. I don't remember how often, but there were certainly times when I would converse with someone for the first time and then meet and then play before that day was out.

It has happened since I've been on CM the same way. Email, chat, dinner, play.

I'm trying to recall whether it's happened more than once, but on at least one occasion I've met someone and they moved in with me inside a week.

I give good voice, I give good chat, I seem (and am) earnest in my intentions, and the slope gets quite slippery after that.

Now, some of the affairs that I have had I should not have gotten into (whoopsi-doodle!), but none of them have been disastrous or horrific. Well, not in a Texas Chainsaw Massacre or Saw sorta way.

The last time I had the opportunity to meet someone (from here), it was a 10-hour drive just to get to my destination and I SWORE TO MYSELF that I would do the drive, have the most vanilla of all possible vanilla dates, and drive back. Didn't end up happening that way. Sigh.

So, I'm single again. Anyone lining up? I promise I'll go slow.

Jeff




camille65 -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 4:52:58 PM)

FR

Among my friends I'm unfortunately known for being dismal at picking up negative cues from people, it could be that it just so rarely occurs to me that someone has truly negative motivations because I believe in people having a good core.

Yes that has led me into situations that have been less than safe. Those times when it has happened (in regards to physical not emotional) I turn on the charm. I do my utmost to manipulate and have them believe they can trust me. Then when their guard is lowered, I strike and get myself out.

In a way it is almost easier to extricate myself from physical danger over emotional danger, I'm still figuring that part out.

Bita, my compliments on a great topic. And there have been some very good responses.




AlwaysLisa -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 5:21:19 PM)

Hi Bita Trouble,

I so have been there, bought the shirt.

I don't think of myself as stupid, asked all the right questions, did a prelim background check, the works.  This guy was good at what he did.   Coming from a family of  strong women, I found out how quickly I fell into the battered partner syndrome and now that I look back...it was frightening how fast that happened.  It wasn't a panic of "what have I done"...it was more like...I need to be real quiet and extra good so he will stop beating me.  

After a few weeks of this, it was like a fog lifted when I discovered he had a wife and child...to my surprise.  The wife and kid were what snapped me out of my stupor.  I had already become a timid, meek person afraid to make a sound at his beatings, so in a way I am grateful his little hidden secret came to light.

How did I get out of this?  It wasn't easy.  Physically, it was painless to buy him a one way ticket on the next train out of town...mentally, I struggled for awhile and felt there was something I could have done, or didn't do, or should have thought of..in order to keep him happy.   I think, that during this time frame, if he had said that he left his wife, I hate to admit this but I probably would have welcomed him back, vowing to be so perfect that he would never get angry again. 

That chapter in my life is not one I am proud of, I thought I was smarter then that.   It showed me how emotions can rule your brain, even when you think it can never happen to you. 






sublizzie -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 5:21:51 PM)

Before I learned that I was way too naive to make reasoned decisions about people I had a scary encounter or two but I learned how to stay safe.

RE: emotional ties. There were huge emotional ties to my ex-husband that I'm still getting over 7 years after the divorce (though I've come a long way in recovering). That was a case where it took me 26 years to realize that he was only invested in our relationship because I enabled his narcisism. It was difficult to end it and recover from it.




LadySunn -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 5:33:42 PM)

This is a very informative topic. Thank you for posting this.




NuevaVida -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 7:05:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

The mask which is projected is often a mask that I *want* to see and that makes it easier to fool me. Mea culpa. I know that if I look long enough and hard enough, generally speaking, I do have the ability to discern the reality regardless of how clever someone is with their acting ability but I haven't always used that when it suited my own agenda. Sometimes it's because it wasn't that important to me or maybe I just wanted to get some kicks or whatever.. but most of those moments in my life, in retrospect, was someone whose mask was appealing and I didn't want to lift that mask because I was pretty sure I knew what I would find beneath it. I just wasn't interested in the reality when the fantasy of the image was so sexy and inviting. Twice though, that I recall, I was really fooled and could not pentrate the mask those two wore. One was no big thing, the other was something which changed my perceptions in a very basic and fundamental way so the experience was educational but painful as a lesson of self-discovery often can be.


This describes my own experience, to a tee.  Twice I chose to believe the more appealing option and wear blinders to the truth.  Once unattached, I took risks that not only made some friends quite concerned, but caused others to say "enough" and go away.

My mother shared some wisdom which I took to heart.  When talking to her about a man who had captured my attention, I told her "But men lie.  Everything is a lie.  Men are a lie, and love is a lie, and I don't know what to believe anymore."  She said "It's not that they lied to you, it's that you lied to yourself.  You knew they were lying but you chose to believe it anyway."  I knew she was right.  There were gut feelings I had pushed aside, time and again. From then on, I made it a point to listen to those gut feelings, and immediately question anything that didn't feel right.

As for BDSM play, I made a commitment to myself that I would not have sex or play again until I was in a committed relationship.  This was a very important decision to me, and one I did not waiver from.




Mesmerist -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 7:47:28 PM)

Thanks for the wonderful topic. This came up earlier today talking to another dom about over zealous safety advice I gave to someone new to the lifestyle. He stated that all the horror stories were simply rumors and could not be documented. I know there are a lot of cliche's about BDSM and most of us are sane folks with non-socially acceptable interests, but I find it hard to believe this has not and unfortunately will not occur again. I love the submissive / bottom / masochistic folks out there and hope they continue to play but it is threads like this that can teach them to do so safely.




Chrisincuffs -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 8:34:51 PM)

Great point Mesmerist! As a sub, I can't stress the importance of safety. When you're doing something you really get off on it's easy to get carried away and lose sight of your surroundings. One may get a rush from the unknown , but when it becomes possibly life threatening you need to take a step back and ask yourself..."If I saw the person I love most in this situation, what would I say to them?" I'm one that has great advice for others but not myself. Asking myself this can snap me back into reality.
What good is BDSM if you aren't around to enjoy it anymore




mistoferin -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/20/2010 10:06:23 PM)

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So what do you do when you find yourself in that situation? When your gut and instinct have failed you and you are bound by someone who is dangerous to you? I am speaking asking about situations when you are already bound.. not what to do to prevent that from happening.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as the saying goes and that is usually very good advice but when you find yourself already ill, what's the cure since the oz of prevention wasn't already in place? When you are tied down, wearing that gag, can't scream for help .. do you just.. die? How do you fight that? How do you flee that?

Just putting this out there hoping that folks might share their perspectives and maybe one or two will see this and it will be their oz of prevention so they don't actually ever find themselves in a situation where they are all trussed up and what's going through their mind is a really bad fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done?


I've been checking in on this thread all day, trying to figure out how I wanted to respond. I quoted the above because I read it as "what do you do when you find yourself IN an unescapable situation?".

As I said in my first post on this thread. Been there, done that. Once you're there, physically there really ISN'T a lot you can do. You're bound, possibly gagged and at the whim of whoever has restrained you.

In my case it was my "dream dom". Ok, so maybe that is a bit over the top but...it really was close...or so I thought at the time. We had been seeing each other for several months at that point, on an almost daily basis. He only lived just down the road from me. His only real downfall in my eyes was that he was quite new to the lifestyle, but he was hungry to learn. He treated me like gold, spoiling me with nice things, evenings out, unexpected flowers. So I wasn't really too surprised to come home from work one day to find him waiting in my driveway. He said he wanted to take me out for a nice dinner. "Hurry up and get showered and dressed" he said...and "make sure to wear something nice!"

We sat at the restaurant, him holding my hand and smiling. " I have a surprise for you", he said. "I wanted you to dress nicely because I am taking you to meet someone tonight". Now I don't know why, certainly there was no valid reason...but that sentence sent red flags waving wildly in my head...so I can't really say that instinct failed me that night. *I* failed me....because I discounted that instinct, told myself I was being ridiculous and paranoid. Even as we drove there, that voice in my head...in my gut...practically screaming at me...and I just kept silencing it. This man we were going to see was a dominant who had many years of experience. The man I was seeing referred to him as his mentor.

As we pulled up to the home my fears eased slightly. It was a beautiful home...somewhat of a mansion really. He met us at the door and again that voice, hammering away in my head. Inside the home was even more lovely and impressive than the outside. This man had travelled all over the world and there were many "things" to see. I like things and as a way of calming myself I began to move about looking....he was all too glad to share the fascinating stories behind the things. "Come on, I'll give you a tour of the place", he said.

We wandered around the house in no real rush. As we did and as he told the tales of the places he had been I began to relax a bit...but there was still this uneasiness that I continued to choke back. Silly me...he was a perfectly nice man who was being a wonderful host. In the upstairs of the house we began to enter one room. He was in front of me, going in first...the man I was seeing directly behind me. He reached in to turn the light on and made a comment about the bulb burning out. Suddenly he turned back toward me and I had to take a quick step back, up against the man I was dating. Standing sandwiched between the two of them, this man looked down at me and said..."So, I understand you are submissive". I was completely off guard and stammered a "yes, yes I am" in response. In the flash of the next second I found myself, dress yanked over my head, thrown on the bed and quickly and hopelessly bound. What in THE Hell???? "This is for your own good" I heard the man I was dating say.

So what do you do at this point? Well, you try desperately not to let panic take hold. You try to reason. You make excuses. You try to bargain. You pray. You get pissed. You demand. You threaten. At least those are the things I did. When I realized that none of that was going to work I think that my head switched over to some damage control mode. I started to notice details...and I was making a mental list of them in my head. The shape of his face and eyes, the small scar just under his eyebrow, the pattern on the sheets, what was on the dresser. Funny because I can remember all of those things very clearly. What I don't remember so clearly is the pain, odd as that sounds. Oh, it was there because I remember hearing myself screaming...I remember the blood. But it's like I simply disconnected my head from my body so that I wouldn't be distracted by what was happening to it...so I could still store the details and look for a way out, so that no matter what happened to my body I could still keep my mind safe because it was the only thing I had control over still.

No, you don't want to have a fuck, fuck, fuck...what have I done? moment. They suck.

LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN to that inner voice....no matter how stupid or ridiculous it sounds at the time.




hlen5 -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 12:44:24 AM)

Bita, what a wonderful informative thread.

Myssokyst, how clever you were.

I've talked my way out of a date rape, was unable to get out of/away from a (sexual) assault, but I can't recall ever having felt like I was in mortal danger.

[........quote]We sat at the restaurant, him holding my hand and smiling. " I have a surprise for you", he said. "I wanted you to dress nicely because I am taking you to meet someone tonight". Now I don't know why, certainly there was no valid reason...but that sentence sent red flags waving wildly in my head...so I can't really say that instinct failed me that night. *I* failed me....because I discounted that instinct,......

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There is a book I recommend to people constantly - "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker. The main thrust of the book is to learn to trust your instincts and follow your gut. DeBecker would say that there certainly was a valid reason Mistoferin felt a red flag go up. Her sub-conscious had all the information it needed to make the correct decision with whatever clues her sub-conscious picked up on.

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There is another book that would fit in well on this thread "Her Wits about Her" (I've forgotten the author). It is a compilation of women getting away from predators. so often "conventional wisdom" says "don't fight or you'll get hurt worse". They are remarkable tales of women who won against people intent on doing them harm.




CaringandReal -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 5:41:54 AM)

Domiguy said:

"Patience and time are the only remedies that are on your side. "

Also constant alertness--watching for angles, not giving in to despair, and trickery, maybe, if you are willing to do what it takes. I have thought about what I would do if I found myself in that situation. I think I would try very hard (in this order) to defecate, vomit, or piss myself, in the hopes that this would disgust the captor so much that he would lose interest. If I couldn't get my body to respond, I might try to act crazy, a very obnoxious unpleasant sort of crazy. I am not a good actor, but it would be totally unexpected and so might work.

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PS: I am manually responding because since last Monday or so I can't click any button or link on the message boards, including "Quote" and have it respond with anything but a 505 (server) error. I assume the people that run this place are aware of this issue and it's not just me? Actually, if I am willing to click a messageboard link up to 10 times and then wait a minute for the page to load, I can usually get through. That is how I am making one or two posts a day. But it's hard to get anywhere, especially in the early mornings. If someone has already posted on this issue, I don't know it because I can't get around fast enough to scan for it. Sory for the hijack, Bita. It's kind of like when the power goes out in your neighborhood. I have no idea if anybody around me has bothered to report it (they probably have, but I don't like to just blindly trust that!) so I report the outage, just in case.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 8:19:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Okay, so there have been hundreds if not thousands of posts on these forums in which the major form of advice is block, delete and move on. All well and good when you are online and trying to escape from trolls, people who are just incompatible with you, scammers or what have you. I certainly have blocked my fair share, probably more than most, in an attempt to take responsibility for my own online experiences and keep to quality, education or things which have entertainment value to me.

Toes to toes though, it's not so easy to block and delete. If you are serious about BDSM or starting a life with a power dynamic, eventually you are going to find yourself alone, in a room with someone who has the power of life and death over you. (Is that too dramatic?) When I am tied up, gagged and unable to defend myself, all I have to keep me safe is the time I took *before* allowing myself to get into that position to use my instincts and my intellect so as to reassure myself that this person isn't going to do me harm. That's great and probably enough if I have common sense and good instincts. As has often been said here, common sense is not so common and not everyone has good instincts. Also, there are some folks that are so smooth at what they do that even a jaded old bird like me can be fooled for a while.. perhaps even long enough to allow myself to be put in a situation which is not conducive to my overall physical health and well-being.

In other words, you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. It's that first phrase of which I am speaking. You can fool all of the people some of the time. I fall into that catagory. I can be fooled, not easily, not often.. but on occasion either my gut or intellect fail me and I don't see who is really in front of me. I see only the image of what they have represented because there are some folks out there that can actually wear a mask hiding their true selves for a very, very long time. Such would probably take a lot of time and effort but motivation and agenda have always been driving forces in much of human history.

So what do you do when you find yourself in that situation? When your gut and instinct have failed you and you are bound by someone who is dangerous to you? Besides physical restraints, there are mental and emotional restraints that are just as difficult (if not more so) to cast off so I am speaking asking about situations when you are already bound.. not what to do to prevent that from happening.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as the saying goes and that is usually very good advice but when you find yourself already ill, what's the cure since the oz of prevention wasn't already in place? When you are tied down, wearing that gag, can't scream for help .. do you just.. die? How do you fight that? How do you flee that?

Just putting this out there hoping that folks might share their perspectives and maybe one or two will see this and it will be their oz of prevention so they don't actually ever find themselves in a situation where they are all trussed up and what's going through their mind is a really bad fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done?

I put this in General BDSM because I would like to see input from any orientation or gender. Dominants are *all* the people, too, and can be mindfucked, fooled and led just the same as anyone else by a clever or devious mind with motivation and an agenda.


Interesting subject, bita.  I wanted to focus my attention on the emotional side of your post, as it seems to me that most of the posters have addressed the physical aspect of dangerous situations.  Yet I saw that you'd also noted situations in which the ties that bound you were not physical but emotional and mental.  SexyRed mentioned this too...  You also noted you wanted dominant perspective since we are people too and can be mindfucked.

IronBear mentioned this in his post about his second wife.  Coincidentally, this is what happened with MY second wife.  My mother took the money that my father had left her and left it to my brother and I.  My ex convinced me that rather than take that money and do what I wanted to do with it...finish my hot rod...it would be much wiser to put that money aside for my kids college years.  So, we took the money and set up CDs...in BOTH our names.  The rest of the money was "wisely" put into our joint savings account.  Well, just like IronBear, I trusted my ex to remember that the money in these accounts came from MY side of the family...MY mother...not her family or her work.  I chose not to see the spiteful, greedy person beneath the mask of "good, caring, wonderful little S_ _ _ _ _".  The day she filed divorce papers on me, she also filed a restraining order...and cleared out the savings account.  I got half of it back but only half...and ironically that wound up going to pay bills that the judge said I alone was responsible for. 
You'd think that the above would've made me leery to the point of driving every woman who came near me away OR that I would have become the type of man who began using women since "they're only interested in using us anyway, no matter what mask they put on".  But no, luckily or unluckily...depending on how you look at it...I did not become that type of person though I did become more intense in my scrutiny.
My problem is that I tend to believe in this quote that was posted by another in this thread...A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.   Fault me because I am, as someone very dear and very deep in my heart called me, the Eternal Optimist.

That optimism has led to emotional ties that have been difficult to unravel, at least from my side.  Up til the last 10 years, I had always felt that the fact that these ties existed were proof of the "greatness" of certain relationships.  Sadly, the way that both of my marriages ended and a couple of my D/s dynamics have ended have taught me that while there may have been great aspects to those relationships/dynamics, there were other aspects that only appeared great because of ...as bita put it...the mask that I did not want to see, or if seen did not want to look behind.  The difficulty in seeing the mask sometimes lies in the fact that the mask=wearer is often not aware of their own mask and that makes it doubly difficult in that you become aware of it and they do not...because they do not feel they are wearing one...they are just "being me". 

For me, seeing those masks has led to a bit of fraying of those ties, especially those with my ex-wife.  That part has been difficult because my kids have not seen behind the mask or believe so deeply in their mother...and who can blame them completely for that?...that they don't see the manipulation or the conniving or the theft.  And while I don't feel the need to hold that mask in place for them, I don't see the good in trying to rip it away.




dovie -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 8:23:55 AM)

Bita,

Been there, done that, have the t-shirt and the lab reports showing the arsenic in my system. Long story, however I am here to say to you, it happens to the best of us.

hugs you,
dovie




hlen5 -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 8:33:32 AM)

dovie,

So what did you do once you recognized your situation?

I hope it doesn'tseem salacious to ask, but in keeping with the thread, what did you do?




Missokyst -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 9:03:23 AM)

{{hugs for past trauma}} Wowie erin.. I have a couple of questions. Did the man who brought you stick around? And did you report it?

I have done the mental disconnect which for me is a last minute escape from trauma. But to be delivered into a situation has to be the worst case senario, adjusting into damage control is more difficult with betrayal. I guess in an odd way I was fortunate to have learned to be aware of the "will robinson danger danger" signs from an early age. I try never to allow myself to stand between two men (or hell.. 2 women!) unless I am in a sufficiently large enough space that I can throw one in to the other if I need to. Hallways suck, as do doorways... this might be why I am claustrophobic.

It is my preference to take all experience and make it a lesson. Listen to the inner voice. Pay attention to fear (which is odd since in a bdsm sense I play fear games), and the differences in the fear response. Look for a way out and if you cannot, look for a way to escape the trauma. But.. survive.

I find your quotes to be most appropriate. And I am glad that you have developed the skills to continue on a bit wiser, as you appear to be in many of your posts

~Andrea




Missokyst -> RE: Fuck, fuck, fuck.. what have I done? (7/21/2010 9:12:43 AM)

Mental and emotional attachments seem more horrifying to me. This is probably the main reason I try not to fall in love (and have mostly succeeded). To trust someone and then see that trust stomped beneath without regard for the good times you shared has to be intolerable.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

So what do you do when you find yourself in that situation? When your gut and instinct have failed you and you are bound by someone who is dangerous to you? Besides physical restraints, there are mental and emotional restraints that are just as difficult (if not more so) to cast off so I am speaking asking about situations when you are already bound.. not what to do to prevent that from happening.



Interesting subject, bita.  I wanted to focus my attention on the emotional side of your post, as it seems to me that most of the posters have addressed the physical aspect of dangerous situations.  Yet I saw that you'd also noted situations in which the ties that bound you were not physical but emotional and mental. 





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