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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:06:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

Back to the initial point of CD's, I do agee however that "True" needs to be banned to the pile of don't use words when describing something in SM or BDSM. (we'll let truesub4U's nic slide however..lol)

Hmm.. when it comes to BDSM, my most oft quoted advice is.. 'to thine own self be true.' I'll pass on this particular 'ban' wagon. Just one more instance of people trying to tell other people what to do, how to live and now let's get together and tell others how to write and speak.

No thanks.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:09:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
By these definitions, i am a "true" slave. If it really bothers people to use that particular word, then perhaps they are applying different meaning to it...?

Bingo...exactly the point. The dictionaries definitions do not always apply in our particular subculture. "We" use them differently so it's not as simple as "look it up".

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:11:14 AM

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Clouds, of course...it would be easier to stop judging others, but then one would have to fact their owh short falls.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:11:47 AM

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Well, I for one, won't be hating on people who use *real* or *true*. They have probably had a relationship with someone posing as a Dom/Master who turned out not to be one. They are probably expressing some baggage.

ps just say "no" to slash speak!

pps I am a *real* sub

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:13:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Crappy

As the only R/real and T/true submissive on the B/board, nay, on the S/site, I/i can only say all of Y/you sicken M/me! Not O/one of Y/you understands that A/all of Y/you are F/fake. I/i will give Y/you A/all a checklist to test Y/yourselves for T/truenessityability:

If Y/you type like T/this in a public F/forum, voluntarily, and claim to not want to offend A/anyone.

If Y/you refer to Y/yourself the T/third P/person to improve legibilty.

If Y/you possess the S/secret knowledge from the 12th Order, that T/true slaves have no L/limits.

If Y/you expect/give S/submission to/from A/anyone Y/you encounter, be T/they D/dom, S/sub, or S/sW/wI/iT/tC/c/H/h.

All T/true BDSMers know this, and if Y/you do not, Y/you should be B/banished from this S/site and used as D/dog F/food.

Yours,

benji

PS: I do not wish to offend people who do these things because they are told to by their Masters, I only wish to offend those who cannot laugh at themselves. So, feel free to be offended... LOL!!!

You realize that I adore you... right??

rotflmmfao.... this was great benji.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:17:17 AM

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S/sW/wI/iT/tC/c/H/h

Bravo!!! absolutely LOVED it. Benji, you must be one hell of a lot of fun to play with, You have a great and twisted sense of humour.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:18:03 AM

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'to thine own self be true.'

Ouch! Not what I meant Celeste, I said when describing something, like some of the examples.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:19:40 AM

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gets benji a nice bag of dog treats

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:19:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie
By these definitions, i am a "true" slave. If it really bothers people to use that particular word, then perhaps they are applying different meaning to it...?

Bingo...exactly the point. The dictionaries definitions do not always apply in our particular subculture. "We" use them differently so it's not as simple as "look it up".

If i can't express myself with words as they are defined, then i'll just stop talking.

(yeah yeah yeah, stop the applause).

"We" use words differently than the dictionary?? Huh. i didn't realize our particular subculture had its own language with its own definitions. i'll go look for "The English Language as applied in BDSM."

Meanwhile, i'm going to join Celeste and jump off this bandwagon.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:22:03 AM

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I think some folks have missed the point here, i think it is the "I am a True Dom" or "a true slave has no limits" sort of BS that Crappy was taking aim at (I might be wrong, one can never be sure what hidden motives the 12th Order might have, after all).
At any rate, I took it to be aimed at that sort of usage, and in that context I applaud the sentiment, and look forward to the demise of that usage.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:26:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I think some folks have missed the point here, i think it is the "I am a True Dom" or "a true slave has no limits" sort of BS that Crappy was taking aim at (I might be wrong, one can never be sure what hidden motives the 12th Order might have, after all).
At any rate, I took it to be aimed at that sort of usage, and in that context I applaud the sentiment, and look forward to the demise of that usage.

Agreed

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:29:47 AM

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I find it funny... the way some people like to "out" ones they don't like. So it's easier to pick on the way they talk, label themselves, or think. It's not about the word.... it's about the people.

I personally think it's funny the way others dislike the word true or real... it's almost like they're allergic to those words.. that someone might find out they don't use them.. because they don't aply to them. (Example of trying to out people with that statement)

They're just words... unfortuantely.. sometimes.. words describe real... and non real.... they also hurt.. they also help... they mentor.. they destroy... so when used.. think of who is using them...

Benji... Mr Kyle gave you doggie treats... how about a steak bone?.... LOL

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:33:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Crappy

As the only R/real and T/true submissive on the B/board, nay, on the S/site, I/i can only say all of Y/you sicken M/me! Not O/one of Y/you understands that A/all of Y/you are F/fake. I/i will give Y/you A/all a checklist to test Y/yourselves for T/truenessityability:

If Y/you type like T/this in a public F/forum, voluntarily, and claim to not want to offend A/anyone.

If Y/you refer to Y/yourself the T/third P/person to improve legibilty.

If Y/you possess the S/secret knowledge from the 12th Order, that T/true slaves have no L/limits.

If Y/you expect/give S/submission to/from A/anyone Y/you encounter, be T/they D/dom, S/sub, or S/sW/wI/iT/tC/c/H/h.

All T/true BDSMers know this, and if Y/you do not, Y/you should be B/banished from this S/site and used as D/dog F/food.

Yours,

benji

PS: I do not wish to offend people who do these things because they are told to by their Masters, I only wish to offend those who cannot laugh at themselves. So, feel free to be offended... LOL!!!

AMEN! That's the B/best P/post in this T/thread!

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:35:19 AM

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truesub,

I'll accept, but only if there's a steak attached to it....

Yours truly,

benji

PS: From reading your posts and such, I think your nic is as far from, or as near to, depending on how much you hate the word, being right as possible. That made no sense, but it's a compliment.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:38:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

"We" use words differently than the dictionary?? Huh. i didn't realize our particular subculture had its own language with its own definitions. i'll go look for "The English Language as applied in BDSM."

Yes we certainly do, just as any other subculture or group does. And if we had one of those books, it would make it so much easier. (actually there is some reference materials that are close, but to my knowledge they have never been compiled together).

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:44:24 AM

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Iron Bear:
I too wear the badges of honor you speak of, wear them proudly and in fact, flaunt them at every possible turn of events. Over fifty thousand Americans did not return from Nam and those of us that did have no reason to hid the signs of courage valor and honor we now carry with us. Those finding the scars of life’s living offensive neither warrant nor deserve the energy to be viewed as insignificant.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:46:43 AM

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What say you?

The people who wasted time, mental energy, and get emotionally involved with defining slave, submissive, bottom, top, dom, domme, master, mistress, with or without adding the modifiers real and/or true; are indicating they need to get out more. It's debatable who should be pitied more, those seeking validation for their label by posting and arguing through seven pages of posts, or those so concerned with the issue that they need to start a thread condemning it.

Unless used for humor or sarcastic inflection, I've never encountered any discussion or concern about these terms or labels when at a party, munch, or presentation.

(Accepting minor 'self pity' as a 'poser' citing first paragraph reference.)

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:54:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I think some folks have missed the point here, i think it is the "I am a True Dom" or "a true slave has no limits" sort of BS that Crappy was taking aim at

The point is that you and others want to police language and you, in particular, plan on flaming anyone who doesn't fall in line with what you deem is right and proper... or was there another point that I actually did miss?

Celeste

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:54:34 AM

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I think some folks have missed the point here, i think it is the "I am a True Dom" or "a true slave has no limits" sort of BS that Crappy was taking aim at (I might be wrong, one can never be sure what hidden motives the 12th Order might have, after all).

I agree here... it gets real old, real fast. But saying that particular usage of that word should be banned because of what it implies to those reading it is right up there with "words have no absolute definition" and "words can mean whatever we want them to mean". Either they do have a definition and in understanding that we can then say this word or that word should be banned because of the implied meaning or words can mean whatever we want them to mean and no, we can't ban the usage of any words because we have no idea what they mean to the person using them.

Gosh, it comes right back to defining the word, doesn't it? How is it possible to say that some words have concise definitions and or implied definitions and others don't? See, because we (as a group) are not allowed to assign a specific definition to words (those who try are often told that there is no ONE word that can define or describe an orientation accurately) that we use to label or describe ourselves how is it we can even discuss banning one word in particular because of it's implied definition?

Until we can agree that when someone is saying one is a "true" submissive or that their way is the "true" way to do things that they are in fact saying that theirs is the only one true way rather then they are a "true" submissive because they have encountered a lot of so-called submissives or fakes, or wankers or any number of things that would cause them to be jaded and therefore are making an attempt to set themselves, as well as their belief in what they are doing aside from those that caused them to become jaded... then no, we can't ban that usage. And I really don't see that we are all going to agree on anything concerning words, their usage and their definitions any time soon.

So... lets poll the ones that use "true" in their decriptions and find out what they mean by it and by general consensus we can then decide if they are using it accurately... until then it's a mute point and an act of futility.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 10:04:09 AM

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"I've never encountered any discussion or concern about these terms or labels when at a party, munch, or presentation"

Which is because when you are with a person you can get a feel for who they are, language is less important than it is in the virtual world. Like it or not, the community is increasingly online and virtual, now more than ever these words need to be pinned down. I don't buy your arguement that no has ever cared either. My understanding is that in the 70's the community was very small and definitions were agreed to. In fact once could often not become something without have first passed through a ritual or right-of-passage. You may feel sorry for those of us who care, but I am very sure that we are the future of the community. The community must adapt to its popularity and the way modern people interect with each other-IE increasingly by printed words before voice and actually meeting each other.

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