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southernsultry -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 8:51:42 AM)

I'm an Independent. Not deserting him yet. I give him a full 3 years to "what happens..." 




mnottertail -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 8:59:14 AM)

What, hes elected to a short term?  I thought it was 4 full years, or do you have intimate knowledge about the timing of the assassination attempt?




RacerJim -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 9:06:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

I vote based upon what I believe about a candidate...a belief/disbelief developed by paying attention to what a candidate says/does during their campaign AND researching what they have said/done in their past. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as some to run from." -- Barack Hussein Obama, 2008 DNC Nomination Acceptance Speech. That one statement should have told every objective thinking person that Obama himself didn't believe he could win on own record.



What in the fuck is going on that conservatives and Republicans consistently take things out of context to try to prove their points?

Are you that weak-minded that you cannot come up with legitimate reasons to criticize Obama but have to resort to this nonsense?

The full quote you are misleadingly referring to:



Transcript - Barack Obama's Acceptance Speech - Text - NYTimes.com


But this, too, is part of America's promise, the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer, and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values.

And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.


If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.
And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.


What the fuck is going on is you just fell for the trap I set for you...just like Obama, the NAACP and the liberal msm fell for the trap Britebart recently set for them. What the fuck is going on here is the fact of the matter is that during the election it was Obama himself who didn't have a record to run on, so he painted McCain as someone voters should run from.

And that was to be expected, because after he put whence he came under lock and key, Obama had no alternative but to use "Hope and Change" to attack McCain and scare voters.

And you know what? An ever-increasing number/percentage of people who voted for Obama have had their hopes dashed by Obama.




RacerJim -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 9:23:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

First off, you gotta have a message to refute. That is, you actually have to say something that is at least peripherally true, logical and worthy of consideration.



Apparantly you either didn't read, didn't comprehend or, most likely, are ignoring the OP's message because you can't refute it.


I did, and as presented it was asswipe.

Americans makeup as of:




White persons, percent, 2008 (a)
79.8%


Black persons, percent, 2008 (a)
12.8%

So to say that some people  (who happen to be white) are dissatisfied with Obama is like saying that the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today. 

What is the significance of what is patently obvious?   There are more white folks in america than not.  How would you expect something stunning out of that?  What fucking possible use is that in the headline other than to sensationalize some ho-hum asswipe?

Like I said, really bad economy with no easy fix in sight, and hes doing better than reagan was same time same place in a not as bad economy.

But yeah, they both did horseshit, next.  We know hes not doing any miracles, so what miracles are there to perform?

Hell, whats Hipshooter or Faceshooter got?  They turn this bitch around and we'll toss Obama and elect them Prez by proclamation.

Nobody's got nothing, nobodys gonna get nothing. 


The key word in the title and OP is "Deserting".

The significance of that is patently obvious. An ever-increasing percentage of whites and independents who voted for Obama, the ones without whom he couldn't have been elected, have been deserting him.




rulemylife -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 10:11:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

I vote based upon what I believe about a candidate...a belief/disbelief developed by paying attention to what a candidate says/does during their campaign AND researching what they have said/done in their past. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as some to run from." -- Barack Hussein Obama, 2008 DNC Nomination Acceptance Speech. That one statement should have told every objective thinking person that Obama himself didn't believe he could win on own record.



What in the fuck is going on that conservatives and Republicans consistently take things out of context to try to prove their points?

Are you that weak-minded that you cannot come up with legitimate reasons to criticize Obama but have to resort to this nonsense?

The full quote you are misleadingly referring to:



Transcript - Barack Obama's Acceptance Speech - Text - NYTimes.com


But this, too, is part of America's promise, the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer, and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values.

And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.


If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.
And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.


What the fuck is going on is you just fell for the trap I set for you...just like Obama, the NAACP and the liberal msm fell for the trap Britebart recently set for them. What the fuck is going on here is the fact of the matter is that during the election it was Obama himself who didn't have a record to run on, so he painted McCain as someone voters should run from.

And that was to be expected, because after he put whence he came under lock and key, Obama had no alternative but to use "Hope and Change" to attack McCain and scare voters.

And you know what? An ever-increasing number/percentage of people who voted for Obama have had their hopes dashed by Obama.


You and Andy are just way too clever for us dumb liberals.




mnottertail -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 10:20:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

First off, you gotta have a message to refute. That is, you actually have to say something that is at least peripherally true, logical and worthy of consideration.



Apparantly you either didn't read, didn't comprehend or, most likely, are ignoring the OP's message because you can't refute it.


I did, and as presented it was asswipe.

Americans makeup as of:




White persons, percent, 2008 (a)
79.8%


Black persons, percent, 2008 (a)
12.8%

So to say that some people  (who happen to be white) are dissatisfied with Obama is like saying that the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today. 

What is the significance of what is patently obvious?   There are more white folks in america than not.  How would you expect something stunning out of that?  What fucking possible use is that in the headline other than to sensationalize some ho-hum asswipe?

Like I said, really bad economy with no easy fix in sight, and hes doing better than reagan was same time same place in a not as bad economy.

But yeah, they both did horseshit, next.  We know hes not doing any miracles, so what miracles are there to perform?

Hell, whats Hipshooter or Faceshooter got?  They turn this bitch around and we'll toss Obama and elect them Prez by proclamation.

Nobody's got nothing, nobodys gonna get nothing. 


The key word in the title and OP is "Deserting".

The significance of that is patently obvious. An ever-increasing percentage of whites and independents who voted for Obama, the ones without whom he couldn't have been elected, have been deserting him.



are they signed up with contracts?   deserting?   You got numbers?  of that number, how many were lukewarm with him to begin with and voted for him because they would have voted for a fucking slab of sidewalk before they would have voted mccain palin?

Again, it don't mean shit.  They are deserting him and going where?   Not to the teaparty that I can see, not to the republicans that I can see, they are going back to their homes, and watching tv and not any longer interested in politics, the game is over.  Wait until the next time.  They may or may not vote per usual.

Large turnout to say anyone but a republican for president. Backlash against Bush and co, is all.  They arent deserting him because they were never behind him, they just werent going to go republican.
 

He's somewhat mediocre as a president, no big deal about that. So, agreed a few of the gapers are disgruntled, but hey, it aint newsworthy.




RacerJim -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 11:05:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

Love listening to Obama got you thrown under the bus by Obama. LOL


I do not think I got "thrown under the bus" by Obama. I do think Obama is better than any republican that could challenge him. I voted for Obama in the California primary right before I changed parties. I like Obama. I think there is hope for his presidency. I find those who adamantly oppose him are often doing so out of racial fears.

From your posts people are not wrongly classifying you as a racist because you "oppose Obama"... but for the reasons they have eloquently posted on this thread... Now I can understand no one wants to wear that label "racist", but hey, if the shoe fits, dude, you better wear it...

Notice something? I have been attacked by both left and right on this thread because I am politically radical. I expect being targeted, in fact I am used to it, nothing that has been leveled at me here shocks me, some people have to get personal because they can't debate their way out of a paper sack....like you, for example... but it comes with announcing a political opinion in 2010. Here is the deal though, no one, not one person, accused me of being a "racist" because I do not know if I can support Obama... so your post that anyone who doesn't support Obama gets labelled a racist is WRONG.



Don't think you got "thrown under the bus" by Obama if you want, but if I had voted for him for one specific reason (as you have said you did) and he reneged on that one reason I'd sure feel like he had thrown me under the bus (like an ever-increasing percentage of people who voted for Obama for whatever reason feel). Think Obama is better than any Republican who could challenge him if you want, but recent polls/surveys show Obama would lose to any Republican who challenges him. Like Obama if you want, I don't. Have hope for his presidency if you want, I have hope he is removed from the presidency as soon as possible. I find those who adamently support Obama are often doing so out of denial of what he himself has proven himself to be.

You want racist? Read Obama's books. It was in fact Obama who injected race into the 2008 election with "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know there’s a reaction that’s been been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it." during the Democratic primary followed by "They're [Republicans] going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?" at the outset of the general election.

Notice this. You don't think Obama threw you under the bus, you think Obama is better than any Republican who could challenge him, you voted for Obama, you like Obama, you have hope for Obama's presidency, you think those who ademantly oppose him often do so out of racial fears (i.e., they are racists) and you say I can't debate my way out of a paper sack...so your saying "...no one, not one person, has accused me of being a "racist" because I do not know if I can support Obama..." is BULLSHIT.




slvemike4u -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 11:41:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim



Don't think you got "thrown under the bus" by Obama if you want, but if I had voted for him for one specific reason (as you have said you did) and he reneged on that one reason I'd sure feel like he had thrown me under the bus (like an ever-increasing percentage of people who voted for Obama for whatever reason feel). Think Obama is better than any Republican who could challenge him if you want, but recent polls/surveys show Obama would lose to any Republican who challenges him. Like Obama if you want, I don't. Have hope for his presidency if you want, I have hope he is removed from the presidency as soon as possible. I find those who adamently support Obama are often doing so out of denial of what he himself has proven himself to be.

You want racist? Read Obama's books. It was in fact Obama who injected race into the 2008 election with "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know there’s a reaction that’s been been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it." during the Democratic primary followed by "They're [Republicans] going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?" at the outset of the general election.

Notice this. You don't think Obama threw you under the bus, you think Obama is better than any Republican who could challenge him, you voted for Obama, you like Obama, you have hope for Obama's presidency, you think those who ademantly oppose him often do so out of racial fears (i.e., they are racists) and you say I can't debate my way out of a paper sack...so your saying "...no one, not one person, has accused me of being a "racist" because I do not know if I can support Obama..." is BULLSHIT.
 Now what does that highlighted line sound like to all of the non racists in the congregation? Does that sound like a man who would be content to await the next election ?




thishereboi -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 2:06:20 PM)

Actually what's going on is rulemylife is taking your words and attitude and painting 1/2 the country with it. Thank god he's wrong. Personally I think we should have a special party for racist fucktards like you and cucky so the rest of us don't get tainted with your bullshit views.




Owner59 -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 2:17:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim

I vote based upon what I believe about a candidate...a belief/disbelief developed by paying attention to what a candidate says/does during their campaign AND researching what they have said/done in their past. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as some to run from." -- Barack Hussein Obama, 2008 DNC Nomination Acceptance Speech. That one statement should have told every objective thinking person that Obama himself didn't believe he could win on own record.



What in the fuck is going on that conservatives and Republicans consistently take things out of context to try to prove their points?

Are you that weak-minded that you cannot come up with legitimate reasons to criticize Obama but have to resort to this nonsense?

The full quote you are misleadingly referring to:



Transcript - Barack Obama's Acceptance Speech - Text - NYTimes.com


But this, too, is part of America's promise, the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer, and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values.

And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.


If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.
And that's to be expected, because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters.

And you know what? It's worked before, because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping and settle for what you already know.


What the fuck is going on is you just fell for the trap I set for you...just like Obama, the NAACP and the liberal msm fell for the trap Britebart recently set for them. What the fuck is going on here is the fact of the matter is that during the election it was Obama himself who didn't have a record to run on, so he painted McCain as someone voters should run from.

And that was to be expected, because after he put whence he came under lock and key, Obama had no alternative but to use "Hope and Change" to attack McCain and scare voters.

And you know what? An ever-increasing number/percentage of people who voted for Obama have had their hopes dashed by Obama.


So the perpetrator is some brilliant luminary helping us see the light and not a cocksucker character assassin with bodies on the floor and a bloody knife in his hand.

No one but cool-aid drinkers think breitbarf is a good guy or that Obama is a bad guy in this ugly race-baiting spectacle.

Thanks for confirming that foxnoise is not mainstream..




slvemike4u -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 3:15:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Actually what's going on is rulemylife is taking your words and attitude and painting 1/2 the country with it. Thank god he's wrong. Personally I think we should have a special party for racist fucktards like you and cucky so the rest of us don't get tainted with your bullshit views.
I know we have banged heads more often than not....but this was a beautiful post.As a former registered republican I echo the sentiment [:)]




Lucylastic -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 4:51:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Actually what's going on is rulemylife is taking your words and attitude and painting 1/2 the country with it. Thank god he's wrong. Personally I think we should have a special party for racist fucktards like you and cucky so the rest of us don't get tainted with your bullshit views.

Best post of the day




thompsonx -> RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... (7/27/2010 7:39:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Personally I think we should have a special party for racist fucktards like you and cucky so the rest of us don't get tainted with your bullshit views.



Why must you sugar coat everything you say.
You are such a little "goody two shoes"
Tell us what you really think






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