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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 1:50:54 PM   
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He has sold out each platform he ran on. He ran for the center as soon as he was elected. The only promise he kept was about the one thing I was against, which was escalating our involvement in Afghanistan

He didn't do effective healthcare reform

He didn't close Guantanamo

Don't ask don't tell is still on the books

Wall Street reform has no teeth

He keeps trying to seem "nonpartisan", which believe it or not, the American people ARE partisan against republicans at this point... he squandered his mandate by kissing republican ass and letting them call the shots

I told myself if he did not get socialized healthcare reform in this country with a public option I wasn't voting for him again... I'm not


What he did accomplish was a beginning and a compromise.

Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.

Guantanamo and being openly gay in the military are issues he has not backed down from.

Sometimes you have to pick your battles and choose when to fight them.

This is July of 2010.

He took office in January of 2009.

Do the math.

I think he has accomplished quite a bit in18 months.






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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 1:57:38 PM   
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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 1:58:13 PM   
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Polls and statistics are very manipulable. A good statistician can make the numbers say anything that they want too. So legend says, anyway.

Where does the statment "Whites, Independents deserting Obama" stem from, who coined it?
I'd like to point out that he can't be deserted by people who didn't like or want him in office to begin with. I would also like to point out I am not surprised he doesn't have his own party and the swing voters from the other party deserting him as much or more. After all he did lie to them. *to us all*





Polls are more easily manipulated than statistics, since those manipulating statistics are generally clueless and make obvious errors.

However your second paragagraph, if it is what you meant to say, telling about where you are coming from. You imply that "Whites and independents" cant be deserting Obama because they didnt support him to begin with. That is both factually wrong and bigoted.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 1:59:57 PM   
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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 2:00:52 PM   
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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 2:35:49 PM   
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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.


I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.



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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 3:16:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

He has sold out each platform he ran on. He ran for the center as soon as he was elected. The only promise he kept was about the one thing I was against, which was escalating our involvement in Afghanistan

He didn't do effective healthcare reform

He didn't close Guantanamo

Don't ask don't tell is still on the books

Wall Street reform has no teeth

He keeps trying to seem "nonpartisan", which believe it or not, the American people ARE partisan against republicans at this point... he squandered his mandate by kissing republican ass and letting them call the shots

I told myself if he did not get socialized healthcare reform in this country with a public option I wasn't voting for him again... I'm not
Julia,there's not much there that one can argue against.....but since I am who I am...I came up with something.
How can you,or anyone actually ,have already decided and absolute position such as this.....tell me what you will do if come Nov.of '12 your choice is Palin or Obama(I know this is highly unlikely...the Republicans aren't that stupid)improbable as that might be....by imposing an absolute litmus test of socialized healthcare,with a public option.....you have left yourself no option.
Add to that the fact that achieving that goal was never actually possible....seems to me such a viewpoint is not only unrealistic.....but unreasonable!

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 3:18:38 PM   
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Julia,there's not much there that one can argue against.....but since I am who I am...I came up with something.
How can you,or anyone actually ,have already decided and absolute position such as this.....tell me what you will do if come Nov.of '12 your choice is Palin or Obama(I know this is highly unlikely...the Republicans aren't that stupid)improbable as that might be....by imposing an absolute litmus test of socialized healthcare,with a public option.....you have left yourself no option.
Add to that the fact that achieving that goal was never actually possible....seems to me such a viewpoint is not only unrealistic.....but unreasonable!


I am a registered Green....

I voted for Obama because I was hopeful that he would bring our troops home, do something about our problems. I do not vote against people, I vote for them....

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 3:40:42 PM   
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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.


I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.




Do have auto insurance?  Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 3:48:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.


I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.




Do have auto insurance?  Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?




Perhaps the cost?

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 3:59:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.


I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.




Do have auto insurance?  Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?




Perhaps the cost?

Or a pre existing condition that allows them to refuse to offer you a policy, perhaps?

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:18:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.


I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.




Do have auto insurance?  Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?



There are millions out of work. There are millions more that are in jobs that offer no health insurance. If you are so disconnected from the plight of the uninsured and the uninsurable, I suppose you would not see the need for healthcare reform...

Seriously, I tend to regard most of your posts to be well reasoned and thought out. I find it odd that you would even feel compelled to ask me that set of questions since I would think you would be informed as to why MILLIONS lack insurance.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:26:11 PM   
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Perhaps the cost?


I am a graduate student. They have a clinic on campus. If I get something they consider a "chronic" condition they will not treat me. I have to pay for this out of my tuition. I would rather take that money and put it into a real health insurance policy. As it is I would have to go without food if I wanted health insurance because I am a single female on the open market. Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance... I can't imagine what it would be if I had high blood pressure or diabetes....

I am living on student loans and grants, I can't afford a car and I take the bus where I need to go... and I rent, I have no homeowners insurance...


The point is there is a significant number of uninsured in this country, for many different reasons... why I would be asked to defend the fact I lack it is really unbelievable to me.... it is a make or break thing for me in my vote precisely because I do not think medical care is a luxury.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:27:31 PM   
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Perhaps the cost?


Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance...


Then drop the maternity coverage.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:30:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.


I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.




Do have auto insurance?  Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?




Perhaps the cost?


Everything costs.

What is the most important thing?

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:31:21 PM   
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Perhaps the cost?


Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance...


Then drop the maternity coverage.


I am 42... they charge me more because I am older.... this is not rocket science..

I am not complaining really anyways... I am stating why I am taking support away from Obama, he did not keep his promise in my mind. He promised that he would get meaningful healthcare reform even if it made him a one term president. All he did was help water down that bill to such an extent that the insurance industry breathed a deep sigh of relief because they can keep raping us economically. This is not what I voted for.... That about sums it up for me. I am allowed to vote for or not vote for whomever I like for whatever reason I like....

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:35:05 PM   
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Perhaps the cost?


Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance...


Then drop the maternity coverage.



May I point out, after a quick look at quotes for myself, male non-smoker starts at 134.00 a month, and that is with a $10,000 deductible. I cant afford 10 grand in medical bills before coverage starts.

Can you?

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:36:09 PM   
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Everything costs.

What is the most important thing?


It must be nice to be employed and have enough money to eat, pay your mortgage, and your health insurance... millions lack your good fortune

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:43:23 PM   
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What is the most important thing?


Drugs and trashy women...health care is not even in the same zip code.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/21/2010 4:52:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Perhaps the cost?


Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance...


Then drop the maternity coverage.


I am 42... they charge me more because I am older.... this is not rocket science..

I am not complaining really anyways... I am stating why I am taking support away from Obama, he did not keep his promise in my mind. He promised that he would get meaningful healthcare reform even if it made him a one term president. All he did was help water down that bill to such an extent that the insurance industry breathed a deep sigh of relief because they can keep raping us economically. This is not what I voted for.... That about sums it up for me. I am allowed to vote for or not vote for whomever I like for whatever reason I like....


Sorry...I didnt realize you were 42...you sound much younger.

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