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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:04:43 AM

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Well, he's ahead of Ronald Reagan at this point, and this is a worse economy.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:06:14 AM

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Julia,there's not much there that one can argue against.....but since I am who I am...I came up with something.
How can you,or anyone actually ,have already decided and absolute position such as this.....tell me what you will do if come Nov.of '12 your choice is Palin or Obama(I know this is highly unlikely...the Republicans aren't that stupid)improbable as that might be....by imposing an absolute litmus test of socialized healthcare,with a public option.....you have left yourself no option.
Add to that the fact that achieving that goal was never actually possible....seems to me such a viewpoint is not only unrealistic.....but unreasonable!

I am a registered Green....

I voted for Obama because I was hopeful that he would bring our troops home, do something about our problems. I do not vote against people, I vote for them....

Since you say you vote for people not against them, please explain how you could vote for someone (Obama) who ran as far and fast as he could from his own record and as hard as he could against his opponents records? Hopefully you've learned not to allow someone to bamboozle you with false hopes and empty promises like Obama obviously did.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:07:40 AM

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Without the compromise there would be no health care reform and there would be no financial reform.

I am uninsured. I could go on all day and all night why we needed better healthcare reform, but I am coming at this from a completely selfish point of view, I want health insurance I can afford because I want to live a long time.... this was not up for compromise for me.

Do have auto insurance? Homeowner's insurance?

If so, why would you not have health insurance?

Perhaps the cost?

It's going to cost most people more thanks to Obamacare.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:08:01 AM

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You don't win elections without us Independants.

If you're an Independent then I must be Sarah Palin's twin brother.

Can't refute the message so desparage the messenger, eh? Sad, but typical.

You must be an Independent too.

It seems we no longer have any Republicans here.

They have all become "Independents".

Imagine that.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:08:45 AM

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What was it that encouraged you to vote Bush, slowmindedJim? Was it the bankruptcy, the fact that he left his state in sorry fiscal shape? Clue us the fuck in.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:10:55 AM

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It's going to cost most people more thanks to Obamacare.

How?

Point that out to me.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:11:08 AM

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Hey julia:) Good too see you setting the pace:) Hugs.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:11:28 AM

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Well, the independents have to vote for SOMEONE. Or else not vote. They may be disenchanted with Obama now, but we'll see who they vote for when they have a choice.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:12:03 AM

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What was it that encouraged you to vote Bush, slowmindedJim? Was it the bankruptcy, the fact that he left his state in sorry fiscal shape? Clue us the fuck in.

It was his sterling service record.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:14:32 AM

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He has sold out each platform he ran on. He ran for the center as soon as he was elected. The only promise he kept was about the one thing I was against, which was escalating our involvement in Afghanistan

He didn't do effective healthcare reform

He didn't close Guantanamo

Don't ask don't tell is still on the books

Wall Street reform has no teeth

He keeps trying to seem "nonpartisan", which believe it or not, the American people ARE partisan against republicans at this point... he squandered his mandate by kissing republican ass and letting them call the shots

I told myself if he did not get socialized healthcare reform in this country with a public option I wasn't voting for him again... I'm not

We, the 46% who realized who/what Obama was BEFORE election day, repeatedly warned you about Obama BEFORE the election but you were too kool-aid impaired to hear us.

How's it feel to be run over by the Obama bus? LOL

I can just hear racistjim warning his neighbors.....

"Don't vote for the ni**er!!!"

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:16:06 AM

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Since you say you vote for people not against them, please explain how you could vote for someone (Obama) who ran as far and fast as he could from his own record and as hard as he could against his opponents records? Hopefully you've learned not to allow someone to bamboozle you with false hopes and empty promises like Obama obviously did.

Would those false hopes and empty promises be anything like this?

Oct. 11, 2000
George W. Bush

"Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building."

(Bush on nation building, Iraq, bin Laden)

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:19:51 AM

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Perhaps the cost?

I am a graduate student. They have a clinic on campus. If I get something they consider a "chronic" condition they will not treat me. I have to pay for this out of my tuition. I would rather take that money and put it into a real health insurance policy. As it is I would have to go without food if I wanted health insurance because I am a single female on the open market. Now I have no preexisting conditions, and it is still a few hundred a month to purchase insurance... I can't imagine what it would be if I had high blood pressure or diabetes....

I am living on student loans and grants, I can't afford a car and I take the bus where I need to go... and I rent, I have no homeowners insurance...

The point is there is a significant number of uninsured in this country, for many different reasons... why I would be asked to defend the fact I lack it is really unbelievable to me.... it is a make or break thing for me in my vote precisely because I do not think medical care is a luxury.

Freedom isn't free. As a graduate student you have freely chosen higher education over healthcare. Deal with it.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:22:44 AM

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Well, healthcare is changing Jim, and that's the point. Deal with it.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:25:45 AM

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Everything costs.

What is the most important thing?

It must be nice to be employed and have enough money to eat, pay your mortgage, and your health insurance... millions lack your good fortune

And it must be nice to be in graduate school on student loand and government grants...millions more lack the good fortune to attend college, much less graduate school.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:28:34 AM

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did you hit anything past kindergarten yourself jimbo?

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:45:36 AM

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And lots of people vote based on no value higher than their own selfish self-interest. I don't know that that is something to be proud of, Julia.

Lots of other people vote based on a bill of goods, without an ounce of good faith behind the lie they believe in. People who actually thought the Dems would end the war in Iraq back in '06, for example. Or took the leap of faith to vote for the guy who got the big job.

Exactly. And an ever-increasing majority of people who voted for Obama on no value higher than their own self-interest have gotten exactly what they voted for...thrown under the bus by someone with no value higher than his own self-interest.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:47:14 AM

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as has happened with every president in the modern world and particularly in america, so you make a distinction without a difference, there is no point here.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:52:22 AM

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Everything costs.

What is the most important thing?

It must be nice to be employed and have enough money to eat, pay your mortgage, and your health insurance... millions lack your good fortune

And it must be nice to be in graduate school on student loand and government grants...millions more lack the good fortune to attend college, much less graduate school.

Almost makes one wish there was some sort of test to pass for one to have the right to vote.Weeding out the terminally stupid and the racists amongst us might actually lead to government we can all live with.
But alas he is safe,and we all are stuck with idiots like this voting.

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:56:11 AM

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And lots of people vote based on no value higher than their own selfish self-interest. I don't know that that is something to be proud of, Julia.

Lots of other people vote based on a bill of goods, without an ounce of good faith behind the lie they believe in. People who actually thought the Dems would end the war in Iraq back in '06, for example. Or took the leap of faith to vote for the guy who got the big job.

Exactly. And an ever-increasing majority of people who voted for Obama on no value higher than their own self-interest have gotten exactly what they voted for...thrown under the bus by someone with no value higher than his own self-interest.

Do you even realise what an asshole you are....Lets look at your statement..."a majority of people voted for Obama based on their own self interests..and got exactly what they voted for"(paraphrased)
If this is true....than a majority of people are quite fucking happy with the results, asshole...and President Obama is assured a second term.
Thanks for playing......class dismissed!

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RE: Whites, Independents Deserting Obama... - 7/22/2010 7:57:45 AM

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And lots of people vote based on no value higher than their own selfish self-interest. I don't know that that is something to be proud of, Julia.

Lots of other people vote based on a bill of goods, without an ounce of good faith behind the lie they believe in. People who actually thought the Dems would end the war in Iraq back in '06, for example. Or took the leap of faith to vote for the guy who got the big job.

I vote based upon what I believe is right...

Which is why I will probably vote Green next time. Now you can make that about "selfish interests" and I suppose if Greens had a chance, that might fit... but since the Greens aren't winning, you really can't paint my voting decision based upon selfishness.

I vote based upon what I believe about a candidate...a belief/disbelief developed by paying attention to what a candidate says/does during their campaign AND researching what they have said/done in their past. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as some to run from." -- Barack Hussein Obama, 2008 DNC Nomination Acceptance Speech. That one statement should have told every objective thinking person that Obama himself didn't believe he could win on own record.

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