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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 4:34:08 PM

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I'd say neither. Intelligence is the ability to understand.

I don't get it.

Sorry I couldn't help it...really.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 4:52:45 PM

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I'd say neither. Intelligence is the ability to understand.

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What makes one "intelligent"? A test score, or how they function in mainstream society?

That's pretty deep. I'll be mulling it over all evening

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 5:17:12 PM

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Laughing.

All I meant is that when you start talking about how to MEASURE intelligence, you get yourself in serious trouble. IQ tests measure the ability to perform well on an IQ test. No more and no less. Success in society (however you want to quantify that) measures the ability to suceed in society. Neither one of those is a direct measure of intelligence. Of course, no one has ever found a very good direct measure of intelligence--in part because no one agrees as to what "intelligence" means. Is a great musician "intelligent"? An artist? I think it's pointless to try to quantify any of this.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 5:24:16 PM

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OH Hell... don't be tripping on George Carlin... now that one has brains!!.... lmao... He's got it all figured out. Life, sex, politics, oh and of our serious Golf Course shortage... lmao

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 5:37:45 PM

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It is said there is a fine line between genius and insanity. Maybe we are intelligent enough to know we are insane and thus more open minded to abstract thinking and ideas. I know I am willing to look at all the possibilities and tangents of any given situation. This is what defines my intelligence!

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 5:43:55 PM

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Laughing.

All I meant is that when you start talking about how to MEASURE intelligence, you get yourself in serious trouble. IQ tests measure the ability to perform well on an IQ test. No more and no less.

Actually they also show a strong correlation with success in conventional education... for whatever that's worth.

Just had to take on the "no more and no less."

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 6:19:49 PM

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It's interesting to me to read the posts on the forum boards and just marvel at the amount of folks we have with obviously high IQs and amazing amounts of knowledge. Sure, we disagree often, probably due to it (nature of the beast), but I am just wondering if anyone else is seeing a correlation between being intelligent and being in the lifestyle? I'm almost thinking that we, as a group, may have inadvertently got bored with the "nilla" world not only because of particular kinks and such, but perhaps also because on an intellectual level we didn't fit in. Yes, I know there are some flyers, but the vast majority seems to fit this classification.

THis is the funniest thread EVER posted here. Christ Scooter, you must be new. And now all the "geniuses" come out to preen. Fuck!!!!!! You have made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 6:27:37 PM

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Christ Scooter, you must be new.

Usually don't feel my age, but new?...haven't been accused of that one lately...lol.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 7:28:15 PM

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A scientific study? Your earlier post said a study, which anyone could do. Your original post also spoke only of the education of those in this lifestyle. This most recent post of yours makes the comparision of "lifestylers" to "vanillas" so i'm wondering which it is? i'd actually love to see the study - could you post it? Was it a per capita breakdown? i wonder how many people they polled, and what the questions were. i wonder what organization embarked in its creation, and who funded it. It would indeed be an interesting read. As all of us educated folks know, studies can be created to reflect whatever the surveyor wishes to see. i do not doubt such a study exists, or even its validity. i would simply be interested in seeing it.

ahhh ... a woman after my own heart. If you can't show me the cite, source data, funding source and methodology ... it's all crap as far as I"m concerned.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 7:48:58 PM

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"ahhh ... a woman after my own heart. If you can't show me the cite, source data, funding source and methodology ... it's all crap as far as I"m concerned.

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I don't think that anyone is going to offer to be your research assistant. If you care enough about the subject you will find the data for yourselves. Find data that refutes the data that I have found and THEN it is worth my time to document my sources and have a discussion about what it all means. If you don't care enough to move out of the state of ignorance then I don't know how much your opinion is worth.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 7:53:25 PM

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IQ tests measure the ability to perform well on an IQ test. No more and no less.

I agree. I think the more you take those tests the easier they become.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 7:56:24 PM

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I agree with most who have posted already. Most people who take the time to read information, opinions or anything posted on a message board... let alone write on one, are often less academically-challenged than those who log into the site to send a dozen "Hey, do U wanna chat?" e-mails.

The content of the e-mails and profiles seem (to me) to be equal to most vanilla sites I have viewed in the past. For the most part, I have been extremely impressed with the quality of users on the CM forums. Perhaps Bdsm attracts the high and low end of the intelligence spectrum... or maybe it doesn't.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 8:22:50 PM

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I don't think that anyone is going to offer to be your research assistant. If you care enough about the subject you will find the data for yourselves. Find data that refutes the data that I have found and THEN it is worth my time to document my sources and have a discussion about what it all means. If you don't care enough to move out of the state of ignorance then I don't know how much your opinion is worth.

Your argument is specious. Negatives generally aren't provable. I did extensive research and found absolutely zero on the subject for or against. If you can't cite sources, then 'you' shouldn't bring them into the conversation in the first place.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 8:36:24 PM

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"ahhh ... a woman after my own heart. If you can't show me the cite, source data, funding source and methodology ... it's all crap as far as I"m concerned. "

I don't think that anyone is going to offer to be your research assistant. If you care enough about the subject you will find the data for yourselves. Find data that refutes the data that I have found and THEN it is worth my time to document my sources and have a discussion about what it all means. If you don't care enough to move out of the state of ignorance then I don't know how much your opinion is worth.

Sorry and here i thought you were the one who brought up this study as truth and fact. So i was asking about it (as were others). i did look it up, because i was interested. Found not a thing. So i asked he who presented it as the basis of argument in this discussion (that would be you.).

As for your comment about humor. Can i use your argument and say i am not going to offer to be your linguistics translator? Tone does not translate well (at all, actually) if not spoken. i trust others to differentiate humor from seriousness. If there is misunderstanding, it only takes clarification to sort it all out.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 8:51:32 PM

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Well, there are a lot of things they're correlated with. That doesn't mean they're direct measures.

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IQ tests measure the ability to perform well on an IQ test. No more and no less.

Actually they also show a strong correlation with success in conventional education... for whatever that's worth.

Just had to take on the "no more and no less."

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/18/2006 9:09:22 PM

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"ahhh ... a woman after my own heart. If you can't show me the cite, source data, funding source and methodology ... it's all crap as far as I"m concerned. "

I don't think that anyone is going to offer to be your research assistant. If you care enough about the subject you will find the data for yourselves. Find data that refutes the data that I have found and THEN it is worth my time to document my sources and have a discussion about what it all means. If you don't care enough to move out of the state of ignorance then I don't know how much your opinion is worth.

On re-reading my post, I can see where you might have thought it was directed in a challenging manner to you, personally Steve, although it was not.

I've gotten into enough "discussions" about "facts" on many a forum and blog that I meant it in a more general sense.

So, if you took offense, I offer my apologies.

However, since you brought it up, I have to say I agree with both Bita and ownedgirl:

1. The person making the claim has the responsiblity to document or prove their claim,
2. You provided no "facts", only an opinion which you claimed was based on "facts".

I can do my own research quite well, thank you. Please do yours.

Now .. since we have both "got our licks in", what say we drop the confrontational attitudes, and talk as two (or more) intelligent (!) and interesting people, and leave all the garbage at the door?

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/19/2006 1:09:55 AM

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While a correlation between intelligence and BDSM might have been drawn at one time, I don't believe that it can be now. Why not? Because it's no longer hidden in the shadows, if you will. Due to the internet, mostly, access to information about BDSM is exceedingly available, whereas, it was extremely limited before everyone was "online". It's also become "cool". Trendy. There's a character on a television show sporting bondage gear as fashion accessories much of the time. Of course, the producers of the show probably just believe it makes her seem quirky instead of it being a true acceptance of BDSM, but it goes to lend credence to the point.

As far as this board is concerned, yes, there are a great many intelligent posters. But there are also many that should have their keyboards replaced with crayons.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/19/2006 1:13:17 AM

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Lack of creativity in everyday life usually equates a lack of creativity in the sexual life. Does someone have to have a high "IQ" in order to be kinky, no. But I've never seen a "stupid" person involved in BD/SM either.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/19/2006 1:18:29 AM

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Lack of creativity in everyday life usually equates a lack of creativity in the sexual life. Does someone have to have a high "IQ" in order to be kinky, no. But I've never seen a "stupid" person involved in BD/SM either.

Then I know some people you should meet.

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RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM - 4/19/2006 3:29:24 AM

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I'm a genius. I don't know about the rest of you.

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