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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
So, because someone was born in a disadvantaged country that means we should open our gates? I dont agree. Each country have an immigration policy. Mexico's is much stricter than our own. Dont like the policy, then have that changed. Until then, the law should be enforced. Period.

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Illegal immigration is simply the result of an inanely absurd and insane legal policy.

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ORIGINAL: cadenas

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States have benefited, and so have some businesses... but not all. Some have taken hard hits because of the immigration problems. So have individuals through loss of ID when someone "borrows" their SS number. While the economy was good, many states could "look" the other way, and the Fed gladly obliged.

If illegals are deported, yes, the tax base takes a hit. But the welfare side takes a breath. Some companies lose business, other companies gain some relief from bad debts.

This has long been a battle that is just now coming to a head as states scramble to make their budgets.

Do i think this is the way to go about it? No. But, to date, nothing else has worked. At least now this issue is getting the attention.

The tax base "hit" is miniscule compared to the services illegals use. Even if all of their hours are reported and they are making $8/hr, all it takes is claiming 3 deductions to have no withholding, and they have no tax liability. $10/hr? a whopping $8 a week....2%.

You are overlooking FICA taxes. At $8/hour, that's another $2272 per year. By the way, US citizens in that income bracket pay the same.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Here you are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well that it takes in excess of 25 years to do that.


So, because someone was born in a disadvantaged country that means we should open our gates? I dont agree. Each country have an immigration policy. Mexico's is much stricter than our own. Dont like the policy, then have that changed. Until then, the law should be enforced. Period.

You are still being intentionally obtuse.
You hide behind the facade of the law while you know full well the law is exclusionary. That is both disingenuous and bigoted.
We both recognize that the simple way to end the illegal alien problem is to arrest,fine and incarcerate those who hire them.

Thompson, isn't the law supposed to be "exclusionary?" lol Immigration to *any* country is not a "right."

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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Here you are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well that it takes in excess of 25 years to do that.


So, because someone was born in a disadvantaged country that means we should open our gates? I dont agree. Each country have an immigration policy. Mexico's is much stricter than our own. Dont like the policy, then have that changed. Until then, the law should be enforced. Period.

You are still being intentionally obtuse.
You hide behind the facade of the law while you know full well the law is exclusionary. That is both disingenuous and bigoted.
We both recognize that the simple way to end the illegal alien problem is to arrest,fine and incarcerate those who hire them.

Thompson, isn't the law supposed to be "exclusionary?" lol Immigration to *any* country is not a "right."

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Most people with a three digit i.q would feel that a 25 year wait for one of 5000 openings means don't come here.


Well, if that's the actual situation, then yeah, that's exactly wtf it means.
I'm good with that.
I'm for a shrinking population- here, elsewhere, globally

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I think so! I can't imagine open immigration policies are a good thing. Some people seem to be under the impression that anything else is somehow discriminatory and wrong and that because of it, people should be able to disregard the law. It would seem to me that if your problem is with the law, then you should fight against those laws to change them, instead of making allowances for those who aren't legally allowed to be here. There are plenty of laws we don't 'like' in any society yet we abide by them so that there is order and not chaos.

Also, the concept of perfectly open and easy immigration as some sort of intrinsic right seems to convey a sense of entitlement to me. Sort of like, you get to do whatever you want, without having to do the requisite work...

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Most people with a three digit i.q would feel that a 25 year wait for one of 5000 openings means don't come here.


Well, if that's the actual situation, then yeah, that's exactly wtf it means.
I'm good with that.
I'm for a shrinking population- here, elsewhere, globally

I am with mikey here...why don't you follow your advice and stop breathing up all of my air.

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So when the u.s. illegally crossed the border into mexico and disregarded that countrie's immigration laws and took half of that country that is somehow different?

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I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".

Drunk much?

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"These fuckers need killed most rickytick. Overwhelming force is the only thing they will ever understand, and it is, fortunately, multi-lingual."

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do you any of you read about the source or the highlighted comment at the top of the article?

Wilbur is an idiot and pa you are an idiot for posting it.

Wilbur thinks that an article which clearly states that it is an unsubstantiated account and that many people are questioning the validity of the "minuteman's account of things....Is a grounds for impeachment.

It goes to show how desperate wilbur is. He never cares about the quality of the source or lack thereof.

Do any of you have an ounce of dignity or intelligence in the things you feel are news worthy or relevant?

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Well, see, either you din't read the actual articla or your lack of reasoning skills may stem from your lack of reading skills.

Anonymous sources in law enforcement in the Laredo area tonight have passed on word that US law enforcement agencies are in the area and are weighing their options regarding the ranches

Story is now 100% confirmed by second source within the Laredo Police Department

The minutemen alerted the site to the story, they were not the original sorce. Got it now?

Impeachable? God, I truly hope not.

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Ever notice how much of the truly childish name calling comes from the lefties?

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for some strange reason I shoot lefty....with both a rifle and a bow....go figure )

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So when the u.s. illegally crossed the border into mexico and disregarded that countrie's immigration laws and took half of that country that is somehow different?

Well, we were at war with them at the time, so I dispute the "illegally"; but, even so, lets assume it was wrong for us to acquire land from the Mexicans, and the Indians, and for the Spanish to have taken land from the Incas, who were wrong to have taken it from the monkeys.
BFD and boo hoo hoo.

What is, is. And the US is a sovereign nation (so far), with borders that others are legally required to accept.
That "legally required" thing is backed up, bottom line, by a helluva lot of firepower.

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Ever notice how right wingnuts have this wonderful habit of posting false stories?

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Since we agree on this issue...and not just the truckin part of it....I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Ever notice how right wingnuts have this wonderful habit of posting false stories?

Couldn't deny his statement, so you throw an insult right back. Yea, it's nice to see you are consistent.