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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 7:55:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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Since we agree on this issue...and not just the truckin part of it....I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".



When one considers all of the less than charming "diminutives" you have used to reference me I should think that mikey would be considered by you to be an alcolade.
Okay,I'll take the first step....I apologise for any derogatory name calling I have in the past used....truly.
Now how about you aknowledge that I am a grown man and drop the silly "mikey" thing?
I don't really think we are that far apart on most issues....and yet all we ever do is insult each other...if I am at fault in starting this silliness,I am sorry for having done so.
How about it?

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 7:57:54 PM   
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for some strange reason I shoot lefty....with both a rifle and a bow....go figure )


It is extremely likely that your left eye is dominant over your right eye.

(Makes people take strange political positions and sometimes sexual ones too )

What the fuck is a strange...sexual position?I have found sex to be enjoyable no matter what position I find myself in.
Perhaps you're just doing it wrong?

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 9:01:22 PM   
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I think so! I can't imagine open immigration policies are a good thing. Some people seem to be under the impression that anything else is somehow discriminatory and wrong and that because of it, people should be able to disregard the law. It would seem to me that if your problem is with the law, then you should fight against those laws to change them, instead of making allowances for those who aren't legally allowed to be here. There are plenty of laws we don't 'like' in any society yet we abide by them so that there is order and not chaos.

Also, the concept of perfectly open and easy immigration as some sort of intrinsic right seems to convey a sense of entitlement to me. Sort of like, you get to do whatever you want, without having to do the requisite work...



So when the u.s. illegally crossed the border into mexico and disregarded that countrie's immigration laws and took half of that country that is somehow different?
Your inconsistant interpretation of your own concepts seems a little skewed.


What the hell does what happened centuries ago have to do with this discussion?

Also, it would be impossible to interpret one's own concepts. They already are interpreted by virtue of their existence in my brain. I think you are projecting.


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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 9:07:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a solution that will make it possible for Arizona to repeal its law, cut down the number of people patrolling the border, AND it has been proven to work....

We put landmines, mantraps, barbed wire, claymores and various other anti personnel devices along the border...

Now granted, it will mean a lot of dead bodies piling up, but hey, it will stop illegals from coming across.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 9:56:35 PM   
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Here you are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well that it takes in excess of 25 years to do that.


So, because someone was born in a disadvantaged country that means we should open our gates? I dont agree. Each country have an immigration policy. Mexico's is much stricter than our own. Dont like the policy, then have that changed. Until then, the law should be enforced. Period.


You are still being intentionally obtuse.
You hide behind the facade of the law while you know full well the law is exclusionary. That is both disingenuous and bigoted.
We both recognize that the simple way to end the illegal alien problem is to arrest,fine and incarcerate those who hire them.


When did i say it wasnt the way to deal with this problem?

However, there are laws pertaining to those who enter. The simplest, and quickest, way is to attack from both ends.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 10:01:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Here you are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well that it takes in excess of 25 years to do that.


So, because someone was born in a disadvantaged country that means we should open our gates? I dont agree. Each country have an immigration policy. Mexico's is much stricter than our own. Dont like the policy, then have that changed. Until then, the law should be enforced. Period.


You are still being intentionally obtuse.
You hide behind the facade of the law while you know full well the law is exclusionary. That is both disingenuous and bigoted.
We both recognize that the simple way to end the illegal alien problem is to arrest,fine and incarcerate those who hire them.


Thompson, isn't the law supposed to be "exclusionary?" lol Immigration to *any* country is not a "right."



Perhaps you need to actually understand what "exclusionary" means.
All countries have a right to say who is and is not allowed into their coutry.
When one says that you need to follow our laws...that implies that all are welcome if they follow this set of ruels. When we read the law it says "none of you fuckers are allowed in".
If you are going to be a bigot then why sugar coat it... let your bigotry be seen for what it is.


First, your use of quotes on these boards is sadly lacking.... i never posted the following...

quote:

Here you are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well that it takes in excess of 25 years to do that


Second, the same could be said about being bigoted about who you allow into your home, work, ect.

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When one says that you need to follow our laws...that implies that all are welcome if they follow this set of ruels.


One of our laws is based upon how you are allowed to be here to begin with. Cant follow that law? why should we assume you will follow any other law?

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/24/2010 10:16:30 PM   
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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/25/2010 9:51:20 AM   
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So it is your position that right wingnuts do not post false stories?
Did I say that? Are you taking classes on putting words in people's mouths or does it just come naturally to you?


And that pointing that out is somehow an insult?
I wouldn't expect you to understand.


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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 6:46:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Since we agree on this issue...and not just the truckin part of it....I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".



When one considers all of the less than charming "diminutives" you have used to reference me I should think that mikey would be considered by you to be an alcolade.
Okay,I'll take the first step....I apologise for any derogatory name calling I have in the past used....truly.
Now how about you aknowledge that I am a grown man and drop the silly "mikey" thing?
I don't really think we are that far apart on most issues....and yet all we ever do is insult each other...if I am at fault in starting this silliness,I am sorry for having done so.
How about it?


Mikey:
I believe it is possible for adults to disagree without being disagreable.
I have disagreed with polite sub,arpig,bull, lady pact, northern gent,moonhead and julia just to name a few and not once have any of those people been less than civil to me nor I to them.
When the quantity and quality of your civil responses to me approaches that of your less than civil ones I will consider your request.
You have made an admirable start and I look forward to a more promising dialog with you.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 6:51:31 AM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

Here you are being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well that it takes in excess of 25 years to do that.


So, because someone was born in a disadvantaged country that means we should open our gates? I dont agree. Each country have an immigration policy. Mexico's is much stricter than our own. Dont like the policy, then have that changed. Until then, the law should be enforced. Period.


You are still being intentionally obtuse.
You hide behind the facade of the law while you know full well the law is exclusionary. That is both disingenuous and bigoted.
We both recognize that the simple way to end the illegal alien problem is to arrest,fine and incarcerate those who hire them.


When did i say it wasnt the way to deal with this problem?

However, there are laws pertaining to those who enter. The simplest, and quickest, way is to attack from both ends.



The simplist and quickest way to kill a snake is to cut it's head off.
Cutting off its tail a millimeter at a time is not.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:13:45 AM   
thompsonx


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So it is your position that right wingnuts do not post false stories?
Did I say that? Are you taking classes on putting words in people's mouths or does it just come naturally to you?


The question mark in my post is what shows that I have asked a question and have not attempted to put words in your mouth.

< Message edited by thompsonx -- 7/26/2010 8:15:57 AM >

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:22:14 AM   
slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Since we agree on this issue...and not just the truckin part of it....I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".



When one considers all of the less than charming "diminutives" you have used to reference me I should think that mikey would be considered by you to be an alcolade.
Okay,I'll take the first step....I apologise for any derogatory name calling I have in the past used....truly.
Now how about you aknowledge that I am a grown man and drop the silly "mikey" thing?
I don't really think we are that far apart on most issues....and yet all we ever do is insult each other...if I am at fault in starting this silliness,I am sorry for having done so.
How about it?


Mikey:
I believe it is possible for adults to disagree without being disagreable.
I have disagreed with polite sub,arpig,bull, lady pact, northern gent,moonhead and julia just to name a few and not once have any of those people been less than civil to me nor I to them.
When the quantity and quality of your civil responses to me approaches that of your less than civil ones I will consider your request.
You have made an admirable start and I look forward to a more promising dialog with you.
I tried.....but I don't jump thru hoops,so any hopes you have for a "more promising dialog" will be totally up to you.


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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:22:43 AM   
thompsonx


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I think so! I can't imagine open immigration policies are a good thing. Some people seem to be under the impression that anything else is somehow discriminatory and wrong and that because of it, people should be able to disregard the law. It would seem to me that if your problem is with the law, then you should fight against those laws to change them, instead of making allowances for those who aren't legally allowed to be here. There are plenty of laws we don't 'like' in any society yet we abide by them so that there is order and not chaos.

Also, the concept of perfectly open and easy immigration as some sort of intrinsic right seems to convey a sense of entitlement to me. Sort of like, you get to do whatever you want, without having to do the requisite work...



So when the u.s. illegally crossed the border into mexico and disregarded that countrie's immigration laws and took half of that country that is somehow different?
Your inconsistant interpretation of your own concepts seems a little skewed.


What the hell does what happened centuries ago have to do with this discussion?



160 years do not centuries make.
A parallel might be russia's relationship with poland circa 1750-2010. Where for a significant period of time (more than a century)poland ceased to exist as a nation.

< Message edited by thompsonx -- 7/26/2010 8:41:58 AM >

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:31:13 AM   
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One of our laws is based upon how you are allowed to be here to begin with. Cant follow that law? why should we assume you will follow any other law?


That is pretty much what "they" said to martin luther king concernig his approach to civil disobediance.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:39:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Since we agree on this issue...and not just the truckin part of it....I am going to ignore your repeated and childish you of the diminutive "mikey".



When one considers all of the less than charming "diminutives" you have used to reference me I should think that mikey would be considered by you to be an alcolade.
Okay,I'll take the first step....I apologise for any derogatory name calling I have in the past used....truly.
Now how about you aknowledge that I am a grown man and drop the silly "mikey" thing?
I don't really think we are that far apart on most issues....and yet all we ever do is insult each other...if I am at fault in starting this silliness,I am sorry for having done so.
How about it?


Mikey:
I believe it is possible for adults to disagree without being disagreable.
I have disagreed with polite sub,arpig,bull, lady pact, northern gent,moonhead and julia just to name a few and not once have any of those people been less than civil to me nor I to them.
When the quantity and quality of your civil responses to me approaches that of your less than civil ones I will consider your request.
You have made an admirable start and I look forward to a more promising dialog with you.
I tried.....but I don't jump thru hoops,so any hopes you have for a "more promising dialog" will be totally up to you.




You spend seven months and a thousand posts being less than civil to me and expect to erase that with a two line apology????
When your actions reflect your words I will consider your apology.
If you feel that is jumping through hoops consider that they are hoops forged by you,not me.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:47:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite honestly I don't see what the big deal is about the law Arizona has passed.  When don't we have to prove who we are?    I lost my drivers license, I had to get a copy of my birth certificate, get a copy of my marriage license.   Was it inconvenient?  You bet, was it necessary?  Yep.  I believe in immigration - LEGAL immigration.  And if someone is here illegally, they NEED to leave, and either do it right or stay out.

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 8:56:33 AM   
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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 9:10:34 AM   
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Quite honestly I don't see what the big deal is about the law Arizona has passed.  When don't we have to prove who we are?    I lost my drivers license, I had to get a copy of my birth certificate, get a copy of my marriage license.   Was it inconvenient?  You bet, was it necessary?  Yep.  I believe in immigration - LEGAL immigration.  And if someone is here illegally, they NEED to leave, and either do it right or stay out.


Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with both the federal law (which has been discussed in depth on this board) and the arizona law (which has also been discussed in depth on this board) and compare the penalities imposed by each on both employers and the illegals. You will note that the federal laws impose quite strict sanctions on employers who knowingly employ those who cross the boarder illegally (fines of $250,000 and/or five years in federal prison for each illegal)
I have pointed out on numerous occasions that your birth certificate in no way acutally identifies the holder with the document yet you and others continue to use that dead horse as something to beat.
I have also pointed out that I am not in favor of illegal immigration and have indicated that the easiest and cheapest way to stop it is to sanction the employers.
The arizona law is intrusive and targets "those who look or sound illegal". It offers only minimal sanctions against employers.
My solution is to enforce the existing laws. If the arizona cops can enforce the new law they most certainly can enforce the existing law to a much greater effect and with no intrusion into the lives of law abiding americans citizens whom the cops decide may "look or sound illegal".

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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 9:11:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne

Quite honestly I don't see what the big deal is about the law Arizona has passed.  When don't we have to prove who we are?    I lost my drivers license, I had to get a copy of my birth certificate, get a copy of my marriage license.   Was it inconvenient?  You bet, was it necessary?  Yep.  I believe in immigration - LEGAL immigration.  And if someone is here illegally, they NEED to leave, and either do it right or stay out.


Thank you.  THANK YOU!  -Sighs.- 

I think they need to get rid of the racial quotas.  That to me is racist.  Well, we only want 500 of y'all, and 1200 of y'all, and 20 of y'all. 

Look, as someone whose mother went through immigration legally, I have very little sympathy for anyone who comes here illegally.   She was adopted, she had polio, she was born in Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia).  

It sucks that their country isn't as great as ours is and that they need to feed their families.  It's not their fault that that's true.  I have to applaud Arizona for taking on the government.  If the federal government isn't going after these people and is ignoring the sanctuary cities, then someone needs to take a stand.  If the US government won't stand up and look out for its people, then the people will do it. 


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RE: Az immigration law case begins - 7/26/2010 9:17:10 AM   
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I have to applaud Arizona for taking on the government. If the federal government isn't going after these people and is ignoring the sanctuary cities, then someone needs to take a stand. If the US government won't stand up and look out for its people, then the people will do it.


All arizona has to do is enforce the existing federal law( yes, arizona cops can enforce federal law...you know like the one against robbing banks).

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