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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:00:32 PM   
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He doesn't represent me. I live in Illinois. He represents people who keep voting for him.

This is what bothers me about term limits. We are asking congress to save us from congress.

How many people pay any attention to what their Representatives do? How many even know their names?

How about phone numbers?, email addresses?

It is easy to blame John Kerry for being a rich guy. If the people of his district or in his case the state don't like him, they can vote him out.


Jeff, I think he's helping the good people of Massachusetts to make up their minds! When is he up for re-election?

Yeah, if I were a senator from Michigan say and Taxes were much lower in Ohio I'd register my yacht in Ohio! That would go over great eh?

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:01:23 PM   
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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:01:41 PM   
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Who are these fuckers, and what qualifies them to govern us? Other than their money and their social position?




Hmmmm. Maybe education and experience?

Money doesnt mean someone will be a good legislator, but it sure as hell doesnt mean they cant be.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:04:28 PM   
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If I had the money, and I wanted a Yacht, I would get one...

Here I keep seeing conservatives attacking rich liberals for the crime of having money.... I thought that was what liberals do....too fucking funny


As Popeye is about to tell you he is a moderate, centrist, Independent who just happens to hate liberals and Democrats.

Purely a coincidence.


With a special disdain for rich liberals....



Julia, I'm from Massachusetts origionally.
Many people there go to New Hampshire to buy and register their cars to avoid the high taxes in Massachusetts. Register them at a friend's, family members address etc.
If they get caught they have to go to court, pay steep fines and lose their lisences for 90 days.
But, those people aren't U.S. Senators.
It doesn't matter which "party" the Senator belongs to, doing something like this isn't going to make them popular with the "non-working" people.
John Kerry never did have any grasp of the sense of "Noblise Oblise." (sp?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noblesse_oblige

Kerry is acting within the second definition of n. oblige. Do I think he should buy (or rather, upgrade) a yacht right now? No, but it's not illegal or anything and if one doesn't like being represented by someone such as Kerry, one should vote him out.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:04:49 PM   
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We're not in a depression.

By all measurements we are no longer even in a recession.




When 1 out of 7 workers can't find suitable employment (or any employment at all), the technical definition of terms like "recession," "depression," and "recovery" are only relevant to a limited degree. I think Popeye's point stands, and in my opinion it's a damned good one.



So we can start naming things whatever supports our point without any regard for the legitimacy?



Who's suggesting that? I haven't seen anyone say anything remotely like that, at least not in this thread.




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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:05:00 PM   
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If I had the money, and I wanted a Yacht, I would get one...

Here I keep seeing conservatives attacking rich liberals for the crime of having money.... I thought that was what liberals do....too fucking funny


Lumping all conservatives (if popeye is even a conservative) together, eh?


Can someone point out where I said "all" conservatives in that statement? Perhaps my eyesight is failing, but I just can't see where I said anything about "all" conservatives up there in that quotey-box-thangy

Edited to add, you also claimed I apologized to you earlier, when I hadn't.... perhaps it is your eyesight that is off




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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:06:20 PM   
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If I had the money, and I wanted a Yacht, I would get one...

Here I keep seeing conservatives attacking rich liberals for the crime of having money.... I thought that was what liberals do....too fucking funny


Lumping all conservatives (if popeye is even a conservative) together, eh?


Can someone point out where I said "all" conservatives in that statement? Perhaps my eyesight is failing, but I just can't see where I said anything about "all" conservatives up there in that quotey-box-thangy

Edited to add, you also claimed I apologized to you earlier, when I hadn't.... perhaps it is your eyesight that is off





Its implied by the lack of a qualifier.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:07:12 PM   
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Its implied by the lack of a qualifier.


Just like the apology was implied... but only in your mind....

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:08:22 PM   
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Who are these fuckers, and what qualifies them to govern us? Other than their money and their social position?




Hmmmm. Maybe education and experience?

Money doesnt mean someone will be a good legislator, but it sure as hell doesnt mean they cant be.



Oh yeah, we've really "hit the jackpot" with people who went to "HARVARD" and "YALE" haven't we?

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:08:34 PM   
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We're not in a depression.

By all measurements we are no longer even in a recession.




When 1 out of 7 workers can't find suitable employment (or any employment at all), the technical definition of terms like "recession," "depression," and "recovery" are only relevant to a limited degree. I think Popeye's point stands, and in my opinion it's a damned good one.



So we can start naming things whatever supports our point without any regard for the legitimacy?



Who's suggesting that? I haven't seen anyone say anything remotely like that, at least not in this thread.



Okay. 

If you say so.

"....the technical definition of terms like "recession," "depression," and "recovery" are only relevant to a limited degree."

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:08:41 PM   
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However, since Massachusetts isn't one of the states that had a meltdown in the financial mess of late, and since I assume (!) there's a lot of money in MA, maybe he is operating within n. oblige.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:08:53 PM   
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To be sure I do not mean to imply that all conservatives are complete assholes.This is a very specific charge directed at a specific asshole.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:09:38 PM   
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Its implied by the lack of a qualifier.


Just like the apology was implied... but only in your mind....


No, that was quite clearly offered when you said that YOU wouldnt consider it an insult, but acknowledging that someone not as "thick skinned" as you (more self delusion) would.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:10:18 PM   
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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:11:24 PM   
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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:13:06 PM   
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Its implied by the lack of a qualifier.


Just like the apology was implied... but only in your mind....


No, that was quite clearly offered when you said that YOU wouldnt consider it an insult, but acknowledging that someone not as "thick skinned" as you (more self delusion) would.
Please see post # 32.
Popeye whats the problem ...is Kerry failing to make payments on his yacht?
Don't you have better things to do then worry about this shit...there is an Immigration thread going on and you haven't even made an appearence....You are allowing yourselff to be distracted from your core issue

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:13:47 PM   
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................. Switch to mustard for fucks sake............ 


Too funny!!

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:15:07 PM   
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I suppose I would agree with you if Kerry was standing in the way of getting aid to the unemployed, for example, but he isn't. He is very progressive when it comes to supporting social programs aimed at the less fortunate, he is also very philanthropic.

I have this view of wealth, how people spend it, etc.... as long as people do not begrudge others, they should have whatever their heart desires...

And believe it or not, he is stimulating the economy and creating jobs with that purchase. A yacht requires staff to run it, etc. I do not feel diminished by other people having wealth. It is when they try to shut the door after them and keep others from getting ahead that I have the problem... such examples would be Newt Gingrich when he wanted to end Pell Grants when he had received one.


I probably wouldn't disagree with any of that, but the larger point is whether people who are that detached and that insulated from the average citizen can adequately represent people who are struggling to get by on $15,000 a year. Congress - and especially the Senate - is disproportionately represented by the wealthy and the elite of our society, and I see that as a serious problem. 66% of our Senators - 2 out of every 3 - are millionaires, in a country in which only .09% of the general population are millionaires.

My question is, who are these people and what can they possibly know - I mean, really know and understand - about the lives of the people they represent? And what the hell are we doing electing people to govern us who have nothing in common with us, and no comprehension of who we are and the lives we lead every day?


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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:17:04 PM   
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So we can start naming things whatever supports our point without any regard for the legitimacy?



Who's suggesting that? I haven't seen anyone say anything remotely like that, at least not in this thread.



Okay. 

If you say so.

"....the technical definition of terms like "recession," "depression," and "recovery" are only relevant to a limited degree."



Thank you for including the quote that proves my point. Saved me the cutting and pasting!


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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/23/2010 2:18:49 PM   
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