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DomKen -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:35:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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f no one spends any money the economy certainly won't improve. Anyone actually concerned with the economy would be pleased to hear about this sort of purchase it will have direct and indirect economic impact far in excess of the amount spent on the yacht.


I made the point that yachts need crews.... it was lost on him

It's more than that.

It was built by people who purchased materials from other people. It was designed by still other people. It will be maintained by yet other people. Fuel will be bought from yet more different people. All those people have homes and buy things.

That 7 million will get spent and spent again which is far better for the struggling economy than if it was simply sitting in a bank somewhere.



popeye1250 -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:35:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5


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ORIGINAL: hlen5

Thinking about it, a true sense of noblesse oblige would require Kerry to cut back as his constituents are having to.

However, since Massachusetts isn't one of the states that had a meltdown in the financial mess of late, and since I assume (!) there's a lot of money in MA, maybe he is operating within n. oblige.


Hlen, ever been to Brocton, Lowel or Lawrence Mass?

Nope. I have read of the factory girls of Lowell at the start of the industrial revolution, but have not been there.

Note I emphasized it was an assumption, and I realize the entire financial spectrum exsists in every state. I guess I should have made it more clear that what I posted was (somewhat) tongue-in-cheek.



Hlen, no worries. My family up North tells me that the economy up in New England sucks too. I'm down here in Myrtle Beach, SC with a bunch of "pensioners" from up North.



Moonhead -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:36:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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Just so people* know (fast reply, it isn't aimed at you, julia) it's "noblesse oblige".
*(The independent sailorman who likes his spinach, mostly.)


beware my Lèse majesté

I missed that hlen had corrected him already, Ron.



Moonhead -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:37:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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f no one spends any money the economy certainly won't improve. Anyone actually concerned with the economy would be pleased to hear about this sort of purchase it will have direct and indirect economic impact far in excess of the amount spent on the yacht.


I made the point that yachts need crews.... it was lost on him

It's more than that.

It was built by people who purchased materials from other people. It was designed by still other people. It will be maintained by yet other people. Fuel will be bought from yet more different people. All those people have homes and buy things.

That 7 million will get spent and spent again which is far better for the struggling economy than if it was simply sitting in a bank somewhere.

It's strange how trickle down theory suddenly ceases to work if it's a liberal buying expensive shit, isn't it?



EbonyWood -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:37:11 PM)

He should keep the yacht and let some charities use it when he isn't.
 
Wouldn''t that be nice. Sick kids getting a great day out etc. I'm sure they could get a volunteer crew for that.
 
Maybe he's going to anyway. Someone should write him a letter and suggest it.
 
Then again, that's an idea. No place here.



juliaoceania -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:37:53 PM)

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Well he certainly spent a lot of money in Australia didn't he? Did they quit building yachts in New England?


So you do not think that there are jobs created by this? Who will be sailing this ship for him? Who will be cooking on the ship? Who will be maintaining the outside of it? Who will be the maid on board? Etc etc etc.... i bet there are like 40 jobs created by having such a yacht... these are positions where there are several people that fill each one so that they can have time off, etc.. I bet those people are glad he bought this toy



Moonhead -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:40:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Well he certainly spent a lot of money in Australia didn't he? Did they quit building yachts in New England?


So you do not think that there are jobs created by this? Who will be sailing this ship for him? Who will be cooking on the ship? Who will be maintaining the outside of it? Who will be the maid on board? Etc etc etc.... i bet there are like 40 jobs created by having such a yacht... these are positions where there are several people that fill each one so that they can have time off, etc.. I bet those people are glad he bought this toy

And the fact that it's a bigger yacht means more jobs. Hell, it's just like an Ayn Rand novel! he'll be changing his name to John Galt and blowing stuff up next...



EbonyWood -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:50:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Well he certainly spent a lot of money in Australia didn't he? Did they quit building yachts in New England?


So you do not think that there are jobs created by this? Who will be sailing this ship for him? Who will be cooking on the ship? Who will be maintaining the outside of it? Who will be the maid on board? Etc etc etc.... i bet there are like 40 jobs created by having such a yacht... these are positions where there are several people that fill each one so that they can have time off, etc.. I bet those people are glad he bought this toy



Besides, the Aussies probably build bloody good yachts. Mate.
 
They are surrounded by water after all.
 
You want a global economy or what?
 
Some of them probably buy our junk too, like Fox News.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 2:53:44 PM)

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Besides, the Aussies probably build bloody good yachts. Mate.
 
They are surrounded by water after all.



Water that's full of sharks the size of school buses, too. You can bet their boats are built to float!



Moonhead -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:12:35 PM)

And poisonous snakes. Don't forget the poisonous snakes. They have stonefish as well.



LaTigresse -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:14:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Well, wouldn't it help him to stay in touch with the "common man?" Well, John Kerry traded in the "Scaramouche" for a much bigger and more expensive boat,...er, Yacht build in Australia.
And at 76' you'd need a crew of six to crew this boat, Capt, First Mate, Engineer, Cook, Hostess/Server, Deck Hand.
Oh, and then there's a small matter of "taxes" as the article explains.

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100723senator_skipper_skips_town_on_sails_tax/srvc=home&position=1


I don't care for John Kerry but.......if a person has wealth, I don't care how they spend it.



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:14:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

And poisonous snakes. Don't forget the poisonous snakes. They have stonefish as well.


And crocodiles! Christ. It's not safe to go in the water, and it's not safe to get back out again.

And don't forget the kangaroos! They'll hop right up and bop you one right in the nose if you're not careful. How can anyone live in such a place?



mnottertail -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:15:50 PM)

I did a quick look see at MA boatbuilders, and there are none who build in that class.



Moonhead -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:19:22 PM)


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And poisonous snakes. Don't forget the poisonous snakes. They have stonefish as well.


And crocodiles! Christ. It's not safe to go in the water, and it's not safe to get back out again.

And don't forget the kangaroos! They'll hop right up and bop you one right in the nose if you're not careful. How can anyone live in such a place?


They're nasty buggers. I'm told the koalas will have your eye out if they have the eucalyptus horrors as well. They have more species of lethally poisonous spider in Australia than anywhere else on Earth as well. You guys have one, if you live in the southwest. They have three.
You do wonder how any of the colonists lasted long enough to establish a town, don't you?



DomKen -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:31:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

And poisonous snakes. Don't forget the poisonous snakes. They have stonefish as well.


And crocodiles! Christ. It's not safe to go in the water, and it's not safe to get back out again.

And don't forget the kangaroos! They'll hop right up and bop you one right in the nose if you're not careful. How can anyone live in such a place?


They're nasty buggers. I'm told the koalas will have your eye out if they have the eucalyptus horrors as well. They have more species of lethally poisonous spider in Australia than anywhere else on Earth as well. You guys have one, if you live in the southwest. They have three.
You do wonder how any of the colonists lasted long enough to establish a town, don't you?

Don't forget about the octupi. This little sweetheart will kill you dead and there is no anti toxin available.



Moonhead -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:37:38 PM)

I was forgetting the octopi. Mea culpa.



DomKen -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:41:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I was forgetting the octopi. Mea culpa.

I'd just stay the hell out of Australia period. Every native critter is lethally poisonous but the place is over run by rabbits. Just how tough are these bunnies?



ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:43:30 PM)

And don't forget the box jellyfish! You're dead in as little as 30 seconds. 



MsConception -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 3:49:37 PM)

, in a country in which only .09% of the general population are millionaires.


Currently the estimate is between 1-1.5% of the US are millionaires, you misplaced a decimal, which makes a difference.

What I don't understand is that what some of you are saying is that because someone has money they should not be allowed to spend it. If those that have it don't spend it then the economy will never get thriving again. You want more jobs created, then those with money need to be buying to create more jobs etc.

As far as those that think the millionaires in the senate and HofR are out of touch with the rest of us, feel free to find some joe blow off the street, get a grass roots campaign to either get him on the ballot for one of the parties, or get a write in campaign going. The problem is that running for US Congress is not usually a first step. In TX state legislatures make $7200 a year, plus per diems for when they are in session (grand total including per diem is $25K) sessions are 140 calendar days (plus special sessions). So, for the most part to get into such positions, you almost have to be wealthy, how many jobs held by the Joe Blows of the world have jobs they can take off from for 5-6 months of the year.

So should you decide to run for US congres and/or US senate you would make $162k but no per diem, when you price places to stay for 6 months of the year in DC you quickly find your take home isn't as much as you would like.

So for now the system is rigged so that the wealthy can really fill those positions...the Joe Blows of the world simply could not afford to hold those positions.

Ok...enough
So the probem is the system, not the individuals.



AsmodaisSin -> RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? (7/23/2010 4:01:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Well, wouldn't it help him to stay in touch with the "common man?" Well, John Kerry traded in the "Scaramouche" for a much bigger and more expensive boat,...er, Yacht build in Australia.
And at 76' you'd need a crew of six to crew this boat, Capt, First Mate, Engineer, Cook, Hostess/Server, Deck Hand.
Oh, and then there's a small matter of "taxes" as the article explains.

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100723senator_skipper_skips_town_on_sails_tax/srvc=home&position=1


My biggest beef with this entire thing?  That he didn't buy American.  I think if he wants to spend millions of dollars on a yacht, fine.  But I think it would have been better if he'd put that money back in the economy instead of somewhere else.  -Shrugs.- 



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