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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ulia, this is a ridiculous post. Physicists know EXACTLY how gravity works.

Tell me where I said they do not?

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brainiac: You are always making disparaging statements against the CM "anti-god squad" yet you've admitted that you've never studied hard science, only social science. Don't you think you are a bit unqualified to criticize things you know nothing about? Not trying to pick a fight. It's an honest question.

Actually, sweetie, I am a firm believer in the theory of evolution, AND I have studied it... stop playing like you know who I am, what I have studied, or what I believe....

I STILL do not like people ridiculed for their religion by zealots. Freedom of thought and belief mean something to me, and the bigotry and nastiness from those professing freedom of thought, show they advocate for anything but...

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our own physicists do not understand the process of gravity

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In having participated in many religious threads with you over the months, it has become apparent that you believe any questioning of religion is ridicule. I prefer honest intellectual discourse to sacred cows any day, and twice on Sunday.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Here is what it comes down to. I NEVER see any religious threads posted here.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Why? Because people think this behavior is acceptable... in polite company, it isn't.... although P&R is famous for its incivility, and most people think of it as the sewer of CM... and yes, there is a reason why

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Higher level consciousness? You mean god and you cannot bring yourself to say the word. wtf?

Vincent you are clearly not understanding some important tenants of Intelligent and it's superior sister theory Unintelligent Design.

First of all it's imperative that one never use the G word. If you do it's not science according to the Supreme Court. So one must always remember to use a science-ish sounding phrase of identical meaning, doing so makes it a valid scientific theory!

Second, use as many really big words as possible. People will think you know what you're talking about and believe you. If you don't actually know what the words mean, that's completely OK just repeat the phrases used by people who know what they are talking about.

Third, say it's a valid scientific theory as many times as possible, if most people hear that enough times they will believe it. It OK to lie about this because our faith proves that we are right about God...cough...cough...uhm I didn't say that, what I meant is that it proves we are right about the Unintelligent Designer.

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ORIGINAL: realwhiteknight
psssst you might want to place a disclaimer at the bottom, something like: "to clarify, this is sarcasm". Just so people don't get confused.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

Formally one can talk about proven theory only inside a certain paradigm. The assumption (the existence of higher level consciousness)  the Intelligent Design theory makes is considered irrational by most  (naive)  materialists.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I interact with people that have wildly different ideas of religion than I do. Some of them are animists, etc. I have read colleagues who call their beliefs "myths", which i find offensive. People share their heartfelt beliefs and we label them "myths"...

How hard is it to say "you have the right to believe anything you like, I don't believe the same way, but I respect you and your right to believe whatever you like."

Try it sometime, and what you will find may astonish you....like people being open, and tolerant of you in return

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Here is what it comes down to. I NEVER see any religious threads posted here.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1269458/mpage_1/key_christianity/tm.htm#1269458
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1127836/mpage_1/key_christianity/tm.htm#1127836
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1391894/mpage_1/key_christianity/tm.htm#1391894
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1360490/mpage_1/key_christianity/tm.htm#1360490
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1668469/mpage_1/key_christianity/tm.htm#1668469
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1589625/mpage_1/key_christianity/tm.htm#1589625

My exhaustive 3 second typing christianity into the search turned some up, I've certainly seen more recent ones but I don't think I need to hunt around for them to point out that you're making an argument from ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Why? Because people think this behavior is acceptable... in polite company, it isn't.... although P&R is famous for its incivility, and most people think of it as the sewer of CM... and yes, there is a reason why

1. This is a politics and religion chatroom not an ignore the elephant in the room forum so it should be acceptable to talk about religion.

2. If you consider the incivility unacceptable why do you engage in it so often?

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Don't get offended on my behalf, please. I'm not an animist but I do believe in some "myths" and I don't mind if people call them myths. The word 'mythos' means story, not lie or falsehood. And they are stories.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Higher level consciousness? You mean god and you cannot bring yourself to say the word. wtf?

Vincent you are clearly not understanding some important tenants of Intelligent and it's superior sister theory Unintelligent Design.

First of all it's imperative that one never use the G word. If you do it's not science according to the Supreme Court. So one must always remember to use a science-ish sounding phrase of identical meaning, doing so makes it a valid scientific theory!

Second, use as many really big words as possible. People will think you know what you're talking about and believe you. If you don't actually know what the words mean, that's completely OK just repeat the phrases used by people who know what they are talking about.

Third, say it's a valid scientific theory as many times as possible, if most people hear that enough times they will believe it. It OK to lie about this because our faith proves that we are right about God...cough...cough...uhm I didn't say that, what I meant is that it proves we are right about the Unintelligent Designer.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I don't think I am uncivil because I draw attention to the incivility of others. I just would wonder something, why go around bashing people for being religious on a RELIGIOUS forum.... seems pretty fucking stupid

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Questioning religion? Hmmmm... one of those threads that you speak of was one that I started, it was not even ABOUT religion, but because a christian was on it, contributing to it, there was this FLOOD of atheists that did not miss a trick in insulting me, etc, about starting the thread, assuming I had some agenda... "

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
You and the anti-god squad are the most pompous, judgmental, nasty folks on CM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
...pretty fucking stupid

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

IF is not a real theory. Intelligent design is a scientific theory.

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So you are saying it was a christian group that came up with the wiki? And they did it to tear a hole the popular conception of gravity? Ok then.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I've discussed evolution with a few classmates that didn't "believe in it" (this was in a biological sciences class to boot) and they had some real misconceptions going on.

1) They mashed up evolution with cosmology and said that ET denied God's role in the creation of the universe (it's impossible to prove your specific God created the universe).  Cosmologists deal with creation of the universe.

2) They believed that ET states that man descended from monkeys.  Not true, man and monkeys (great apes) descend from a common ancestor.

3) They confused the science definition of theory with a much looser everyday definition of theory.  For example, "I have a theory why the pizza guy is late" or "I have a theory that explains a photocopier breaking down right when you need it the most."

4) They think that once a theory is made, it's cast in stone and never update or explored any further.  When changes or updates are made, that means science is not to be trusted.

5)  They think Darwin was an atheist.  What we consider atheist today didn't even exist in Darwin's thoughts.

6)  Many believed in ET for bacteria, insects, and mammals except for modern primates which is inconsistent.

7) There's a general lack in knowledge of other science info; some declare ET to violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, or the speed of light is changing and by some incredibly convoluted thinking find that a reason to distrust radioisotope dating.

8) They confuse clear reasoning with correct reasoning.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

So you are saying it was a christian group that came up with the wiki? And they did it to tear a hole the popular conception of gravity? Ok then.

All I can say is, ????????????????????????

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: realwhiteknight

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

So you are saying it was a christian group that came up with the wiki? And they did it to tear a hole the popular conception of gravity? Ok then.

All I can say is, ????????????????????????

You don't know what you were saying?

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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

IF is not a real theory. Intelligent design is a scientific theory.
The wiki chapter beginning says it all: "Intelligent falling (IF) is a parody...".

He knows this, he is just trying to ridicule other people...

The odd thing is, our own physicists do not understand the process of gravity, which makes this "parody" all the more ironically meaningless.

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As for the science behind the action, we know that Isaac Newton defined gravity as a force -- one that attracts all objects to all other objects. We know that Albert Einstein said gravity is a result of the curvature of space-time. These two theories are the most common and widely held (if somewhat incomplete) explanations of gravity.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question232.htm

Julia, this is a ridiculous post. Physicists know EXACTLY how gravity works. I can explain it to you if you like, and I'm not talking any of this Newtonian "gravitational pull is directly proportional to the product of the masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them" crap. I mean I will tell you exactly why the apple falls from the tree and you are welcome to fact check it till your heart's content.

You are always making disparaging statements against the CM "anti-god squad" yet you've admitted that you've never studied hard science, only social science. Don't you think you are a bit unqualified to criticize things you know nothing about? Not trying to pick a fight. It's an honest question.

<edited to get Newton's formula correct>