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British health care - 7/26/2010 9:20:02 AM   
truckinslave


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Status: offline 		The British health care system the dim libs (yeah, I know: redundant) have claimed for so long was so good (against all rational analyses) is finally starting to show its true face:

"Some of the most common operations — including hip replacements and cataract surgery — will be rationed as part of attempts to save billions of pounds, despite government promises that front-line services would be protected."

More here.

We told you that sevices such as hip replacements would be rationed. 0bama0 care must be defunded and then repealed.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 9:32:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find some serious irony in this.  Serious irony.  

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 11:46:22 AM   
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I find some serious irony in this.  Serious irony.  


I have to admit, I am wondering about this also. It seems like only yesterday when people were saying how stupid the US was for not copying the UK's health care system because it was doing so well.


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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:24:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		What a load of bollocks. No one seriously advocated a UK style system. The UK system is truly government run health care i.e. almost all medical professionals work directly for the UK government. What people advocated here was a single payer system where the government would essentially provide medical insurance to everyone.

As to rationing the fact is there is rationing in the US right now. Rationing based on maintaining the profits of for profit companies.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:31:52 PM   
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Bloody hysterical..its been pointed out SO many many times by fellow Brits  that the system isnt perfect and is in a constant flux   to the needs and challenges also to recover from bad decisions made in the past. The NHS is in a mess yes, no one has ever said it was perfect, please feel free to  provide a source if you disagree
However this system has been in place for 60 + years and yet you are still running scared, "OMG it MUST BE repealed before the shit hits the fan"........you are sad  so very pathetically sad.
If you cant see far enough forward to keep a system for 60 years then no perhaps you shouldnt even try it.
meanwhile the poor in the US will still have zero chance of being able to get that fucked up hip fixed or  go blind because they just cant afford the payments to even get diagnosed with cataracts, let alone get them removed



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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:35:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		DomKen is quite correct. The UK system was never considered for use here in America. The San Fran system and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts 'Mass Health' system were the basis of frame work used. Besides which, didn't Britain sent troops to Iraq, like the USA? Takes alot of cash to fund a war. The Brits paid for it with cash, we Americans just put all of it on the national debt. Ironic isnt it? A bunch of 'fiscal responsible' conservatives, plunging the USA deep in to debt.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:40:15 PM   
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What a load of bollocks. No one seriously advocated a UK style system. The UK system is truly government run health care i.e. almost all medical professionals work directly for the UK government. What people advocated here was a single payer system where the government would essentially provide medical insurance to everyone.

As to rationing the fact is there is rationing in the US right now. Rationing based on maintaining the profits of for profit companies.


Aww, my bad, I didn't realize they weren't being serious. Maybe they should have added "just kidding" at the end of their posts.


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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		The british health service actually differs greatly depending on what part of the UK you live in. I live in Scotland and what you can and can't get is vastly different to what my say mother in England can get. For instance here in Scotland we have something called the Minor AIlments scheme under which if you are retired, on benefits or have a longterm condition you don't have to go to your doctor to get medicine for some conditions, you just go to your friendly pharmacy and they'll give to you for free! Also Scotland is copying the Welsh health service in having free prescriptions.

The downside of living in rural Scotland however are that medical services are confined to the big town in our case Dumfries 65 miles away. Try explaining to your English relatives that an outpatients appoinment involves a 130 mile round trip! A 10 minute down to their local hospital is about their limit.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:49:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What a load of bollocks. No one seriously advocated a UK style system. The UK system is truly government run health care i.e. almost all medical professionals work directly for the UK government. What people advocated here was a single payer system where the government would essentially provide medical insurance to everyone.

As to rationing the fact is there is rationing in the US right now. Rationing based on maintaining the profits of for profit companies.


As if by being the only healthcare insurance provider our government wouldn't be able to dictate who gets what for healthcare. What a load of bs.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 12:49:53 PM   
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(against all rational analyses)


Saying something doesn't make it true.

You don't want it, don't have it.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 1:00:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: carol58

The british health service actually differs greatly depending on what part of the UK you live in. I live in Scotland and what you can and can't get is vastly different to what my say mother in England can get. For instance here in Scotland we have something called the Minor AIlments scheme under which if you are retired, on benefits or have a longterm condition you don't have to go to your doctor to get medicine for some conditions, you just go to your friendly pharmacy and they'll give to you for free! Also Scotland is copying the Welsh health service in having free prescriptions.

The downside of living in rural Scotland however are that medical services are confined to the big town in our case Dumfries 65 miles away. Try explaining to your English relatives that an outpatients appoinment involves a 130 mile round trip! A 10 minute down to their local hospital is about their limit.



But, but, but...according to this it's working in 100% of the countries.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3084475/mpage_2/tm.htm


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Why don't you open your eyes to the fact that it works in 100% of the other countries all around the world and stop wasting time coming up with stupid reasons that it won't work?   Not just you but all you people.

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I don't get it. The idea is that if businesses pay less for health care, they will have more money and will spend it hiring.

1. What if they spend it on something else?  Big bonuses to top execs, for example?
2. What was the money going to that is now spent on health care? Presumably to employ people at the HMOs...



Steven,

First, it is only an assumption that the current proposals would bring down the cost of health care, I would argue that the document put out yesterday admits that it won't (hence the phased out exemptions to help defray the expected increase in costs).

Second, none of the benefits seem to be scheduled to kick in for at least 3 years and most are outward from there. Meaning, that even if we assume that those benefits will bring down the cost of health care, it won't be for at least 3 or more years.

Finally, many of the tax hikes and other fees kick in immediately. Therefore, the cost of doing business is going to go up, the cost of hiring people is going to go up, and at best some relief may or may not come in years down the road. I could be wrong and they could be counting the number of new jobs that govt is going to create with these new agencies, but that is far from private employers being encouraged to go on a hiring spree.

Know what I mean?




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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 1:03:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

What a load of bollocks. No one seriously advocated a UK style system. The UK system is truly government run health care i.e. almost all medical professionals work directly for the UK government. What people advocated here was a single payer system where the government would essentially provide medical insurance to everyone.

As to rationing the fact is there is rationing in the US right now. Rationing based on maintaining the profits of for profit companies.


As if by being the only healthcare insurance provider our government wouldn't be able to dictate who gets what for healthcare. What a load of bs.


Then ask yourself this.

Would the government profit?

Then ask yourself about the profits enjoyed by the health care industry.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 1:54:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		And these wars are probably a contributory factor in  the UK  government trying to cut costs in the NHS. The wars, just where is all the money coming from when it seems we have not enough money to pay for basic essential services for the UK tax payer. Will the UK taxpayer actually benefit from these wars, unlikely, especially so as it was recently revealed the terrorist threat to Britain only came about because the illegal invasion of Iraq, and that from home grown terrorists, not some people supposedly trained in some foreign terrorist training camp.

These wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, we are wasting vast sums of money, lives and resources for what, we are by being engaged in these conflicts actually weakening ourselves. The next thing in the UK will be political unrest and  riots perhaps just like there was in Thatchers reign, when it is realised the tax payer is going to pay through the nose for something they had no say in and as a result find themselves a lot worse off financially and with reduced or removed access to the things that is traditional Britain, free health  being one of those traditions.


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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 4:13:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The British health care system the dim libs (yeah, I know: redundant) have claimed for so long was so good (against all rational analyses) is finally starting to show its true face:

"Some of the most common operations — including hip replacements and cataract surgery — will be rationed as part of attempts to save billions of pounds, despite government promises that front-line services would be protected."

More here.

We told you that sevices such as hip replacements would be rationed. 0bama0 care must be defunded and then repealed.


Just supposition by one reporter. We accept there will be cuts but the deficit has to be tackled, no one knows as yet what the truth of the matter is.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 4:22:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bear in mind this is an article in the Telegraph, rather than a proper newspaper.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 4:26:24 PM   
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Bear in mind this is an article in the Telegraph, rather than a proper newspaper.


Isnt it still the Torygraph ? It is hard to call it that when the issue is anti Cameron isnt it.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 4:27:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno what the hell's happening there. Maybe it's his gimp they object to?

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 4:29:43 PM   
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I dunno what the hell's happening there. Maybe it's his gimp they object to?


Lmao good point Moonhead.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 5:25:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are talking complete bollocks mate.
My child had a second operation to straighten a turn in her eye last month, she got top notch surgery, excellent healthcare and it worked like a charm.
Glasses for children cost nothing and are regularly updated with regard to their needs, not their parents ability to pay. Likewise they got to the dentists four times a year for check ups and treatment, which is also free at point of delivery.No rationing, no trouble finding a first class high street dentist. no holdback on treatments due to cost, just first class care and support. Chiropody is also free at the point of delivery, again the same high level of care for everybody who needs it.
For people who are out of work or disabled medical prescription items, drugs and medicines are free, my daughters asthma inhalers are free, as are her monthly visits to a clinic and the assessments she has.
Hospital treatment is free, my wife recently had an operation and recieved excellent surgery and superb aftercare, without any bill being delivered.
The USA is in the stone age where socialised medicine is concerned, you spend more on space travel and undersea research than you do on your own people, there is no possible comparison to the NHS, it is the bentley continental  to your chevy nova.
If things are rationed over here it's because they are of dubious worth, not because we choose to let our poor die.

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RE: British health care - 7/26/2010 10:24:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya, it's just a made up story spun out of the constant changes PCTs do. The 'rationing of joint replacements' for example, traces back to one countys decision not to give knee replacements on the NHS for people above a certain BMI.

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