Marini
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My 2 cents as a canadian...
Everyone has hit the nail on the head. The issue is drugs. Several central american countries have become controlled by the drug cartels and now its spread north to mexico. I mean these are gangs that put any American-based gang, mob, etc to shame not because of what they MIGHT do, but rather, becuase of simply how brazen they are. I've heard stories of central american cartels sending the decapitated head of a journalist to a TV station with a note NOT to air an investigation that journalist had been doing. Guess what.. it wasn't aired.
So we know what the issue IS. But WHY is it an issue? Becuase in our society, we have decided that getting high is bad. Infact, its much like sex. The more temporarily GOOD something is, obviously, the more bad it is for us. (Texas has anti-sodomy laws, the only legal marriage is the Christian version of it and not OLDER forms of marriage that does allow multiple partners, etc) Thats the logic that built the USA, and for many years, the USA's laws DID shape the world at large. Drug laws included.
Well much like alcohol was once viewed as bad. We had prohibition. Mobsters ran speak-easys and prohibition failed as everyone went WILD with the alchol. So they legalized it. Created legislation to control it. Taxed it. And sure, there are people who still misuse it, BUT now its easier to catch the misuse of it, its punishments are more severe, we have legal, recordable tax income from it, and all in all, people ARE behaving more wisely with alchol by and large.
So we have the war on drugs. Its failing. WHY are we not following a step in history that was proven to work? Yes insanity is defined as repeating the same things over and over and expecting different results. BUT this time, we ARE doing things differnetly, yet expecting the same results. We need to do it the same way.
As much as I hate the "non addictive" drugs like pot (even though I've known people SERIOUSLY mentally addicted to it, much like alchol), there are many drugs that are ideal for legalization. Legislation. Taxation. Many others could be used for doctor overseen therapies. I know many doctors consider ecstacy to be potentialy therapudic for brainchemical imbalance sufferers, but finding a safe, clean batch, is what prevents doctors from even "unofficialy" encouraging this. IF we legalize, legislate, and in this example, give control over it to medical corporations, we can benefit from it as a society.
SO that would solve the drugs into the USA. Guns from the USA to Mexico? Well lets be honest. If you guys stop them from going south, then even MORE will come here to Canada. So please.. send them south. You already send enough here since its far harder to get a gun in Canada than it is in MOST states.
The immigration issue. I honestly agree with other posters. Go the ancient roman route.. hire unemployed. Draft prisioners. Draft illegal immigrants with promise of citizenship apon completion of contract. Build the wall. Dont make it a full "NON SHALL PASS" wall. But rather a wall to force people to the crossings. If its built right, you wont need below ground sensors. Hell you can build a concret wall that goes down as far as it goes up. A few sensors IN the wall to detect breaches, and you would need is motion detection along hte top for people climbing. You WONT get major dig operations going under. Those take time. And occasional patrols, hell even once a day, would find dig operaitons of that size. A tower every 100 miles, except at crossings where you might have them every few miles just to help control traffic... you'd have maybe 25 to 50 towers the entire 200 miles. Depending on work rotation, 2000 people assigned to guard those towers each week (remember the hours your military personelle presently work! they dont get 8 hour days, 5 days on, 2 days off!)
That construction wouldnt be too hard. Alot of digging, concrete pouring. Towers. Minimal sensors. And this is a good "first stage". If it doesnt work, it CAN be upgraded. BUT if the immigration laws are addressed WHILE this is going on, so the "herding" to crossing points is something the would be illegals dont fear, then yes, the wall should not need to be upgraded. Hell, its harder for Canadians to get into the USA than it is for Mexicans right now. They just walk in. I cant even cross the border to go shopping for an hour without a full passport.
AND bear in mind.. this is conceptual/theory. I have NOT done the numbers, or know anything about that southern border. I'm too far north. Just thinking of that far south makes me sweat bullets.
Something to remember though, those claiming "land of the free". Its an ideal. Its not a universal truth. Ideals can be proven lacking. How can you claim land of the free when the government can tap your phone at any time without requiring a court order? (patriot act anyone?)
We are entering a new world. One that mirrors an older world. Where nations isolated from each other. The economic failure of one, did NOT mean the economic failure of all. The political failure of one, was replaced by a new one in its place. Neither did they prosper together either. Walls along borders, armed guards... these are going to be growing trends. Our populations have gotten out of control. I dont mean size alone. I mean WHAT we do. Our governments will take steps to track us. The american one already tracks you. You folks have less freedom than I do here in Canada.
A wall is doable. And in all truth, its likely to happen. The Berlin wall wasnt the last sign of a cold, dark world. It was just hte last harsh reality before we entered the dream of unrealistic freedom.
I shouldn't write at 3am my time. I ramble. Hate mail can be directed to my profile, cause I'm NEVER gonna find this topic again I am sure.
What an outstanding first post!
Decapitation of 1 man? Please....
You forgot to add, that many of those cartels will wipe out an entire family in a NY minute if you fuck with them.
Did you hear about the well in the abandonded building where they "found" all those people murdered by members of drug cartels.
Fascinating story, many were thrown down the well alive, well I digress.
I want to give you a standing ovation, and I will "let" you go to bed, if you PROMISE
to start posting down here more often.
We will need advice from Canadians and people all over the world, Americans are so dense these days many can't see or find their ass from a hole in the wall.
Bravo!
< Message edited by Marini -- 7/27/2010 12:11:29 AM >
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