Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: What would it take to actually secure the border with Mexico?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What would it take to actually secure the border with Mexico? Page: <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 12:27:48 AM   
domiguy


Posts: 12952
Joined: 5/2/2006
Status: offline 		You have come up with nothing.

_____________________________



(in reply to Marini)
Profile   Post #: 81
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 12:27:59 AM   
Marini


Posts: 3629
Joined: 2/14/2010
Status: offline 		We appreciate your slapstick comedy, and maybe if NOTHING is done, and this country
is overtaken by terrorists from all over the world, and 9/11 is small potatoes,

we will still have one of the greatest minds of all times to lead us, the internet prick with all the jokes, and usually nothing to say, that spends most of his life trashing other people and spewing bullshit on the internet.

It sucks to be you.
But one day, you will be my bitch.
Goodnight you vanilla white wanna be black bitch

< Message edited by Marini -- 7/27/2010 12:31:07 AM >

_____________________________

As always, To EACH their Own.
"And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. "
Nelson Mandela
Life-long Democrat, not happy at all with Democratic Party.
NOT a Republican/Moderate and free agent

(in reply to domiguy)
Profile   Post #: 82
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 12:29:43 AM   
Lordandmaster


Posts: 10943
Joined: 6/22/2004
Status: offline 		OK, I'm going to take this one seriously and say that the only way to address the problem of illegal immigration is to crack down on employers who hire them.  Until you do that, you're just farting around, and that means most bills, laws, "movements," whatever, aren't really about illegal immigration at all; they're about something more sinister.

The problem, for those of you who are still with me, is that local governments in this country can't or won't, as a rule, go after the employers who hire illegal immigrants, and that means we're not going to have a real solution to the problem under the present political system.

(in reply to aphotic)
Profile   Post #: 83
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 12:35:32 AM   
popeye1250


Posts: 18104
Joined: 1/27/2006
From: New Hampshire
Status: offline 		http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100727/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico


And "another" drug gang pops up in Mexico.
They're just "infants" though, they've only killed six people so far.

_____________________________

"But Your Honor, this is not a Jury of my Peers, these people are all decent, honest, law-abiding citizens!"

(in reply to Marini)
Profile   Post #: 84
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 12:47:25 AM   
domiguy


Posts: 12952
Joined: 5/2/2006
Status: offline 		Only because we won the war on terror? Our borders are sieves, where are the terrorosits?

You sell fear as motivation. Prove your point. It is apparent that anyone who wants to make a concerted effort to get into this Country probably can.

Where are the attacks?

Sell the fear instead of dealing with the realities of the situation. 1969 miles of border. That is reality. There are few roads and much of the terrain is completely unnavigatable as well as inhospitable.

I think cadenas painted a fairly realistic portrait of the situation.

Let's brankrupt the country to protect us from those that are supposedly bankrupting the country.

You make grand and sweeeping statements as how they, the illegals, are afforded the same rights and priveleges as Americans citizens...Prove it!

Do we need to gather control of our borders? In theory it would be ideal, in practice another matter entirely.

Since you are terrified of terrorism what are you going to do about the U.S. Canadian border?....The Canada – United States border, officially known as the International Boundary, is the longest border in the world. The terrestrial boundary (including small portions of maritime boundaries on the Atlantic, Pacific, and Arctic coasts, as well as the Great Lakes) is 8,891 kilometres (5,525 mi) long.

Are the terrorists only allowed to come in through Mexico?

If we get hit we get hit. I am not willing to allow myself to worry about the possibility.

How many times has it been said, "If Domiguy worries about a terrorist attack, haven't the terrorists already won?"

You want to thwart the illegals force the employers to stop hiring them. Legalize the drugs we can live with and try our best to intercept those we feel we cannot.

There are no easy answers and thus far your's and pop's ideas "border" on the ridiculous.

< Message edited by domiguy -- 7/27/2010 1:03:14 AM >

_____________________________



(in reply to Marini)
Profile   Post #: 85
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 12:52:01 AM   
domiguy


Posts: 12952
Joined: 5/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100727/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico


And "another" drug gang pops up in Mexico.
They're just "infants" though, they've only killed six people so far.



http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2507818,CST-NWS-shoot18.article

3 slain, 18 wounded in weekend gun violence
Comments

July 18, 2010

BY LEEANN MATON Staff Reporter
Three people were killed and 18 others injured in weekend gun violence across the city.

Most of the shootings took place during a several-hour span from late Friday to early Saturday evening, according to police reports.


Oh my God!!! Gangs shot 18 and killed 3.

Hide Pops, hide!!!

< Message edited by domiguy -- 7/27/2010 12:54:25 AM >

_____________________________



(in reply to popeye1250)
Profile   Post #: 86
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 4:46:52 AM   
ShoreBound149


Posts: 622
Joined: 7/2/2009
Status: offline 		Until the gap between how much it sucks to be there versus how much better it is to be here closes dramatically, those who want to get here will get here. 

Employers of the work that Mexican immigrants are capable to do will always seek the lowest qualified labor cost.

The money and resources necessary to create an enormous wall or enforce laws that force businesses to hire more expensive labor is a fruitless undertaking.

Only when living in Mexico stops sucking will the "problem" be fixed. 

Our efforts and resources should be focused on supporting that outcome.

John Maynard Bound

< Message edited by ShoreBound149 -- 7/27/2010 5:10:33 AM >

_____________________________

"People don't think it be like it is, but it do."

Oscar Gamble

(in reply to jlf1961)
Profile   Post #: 87
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 5:50:10 AM   
thishereboi


Posts: 14463
Joined: 6/19/2008
Status: offline
quote:

Which immediately removes 97% of the conservatives in this country from understanding. They need tiny sound bites and a silver bullet. Anything else, and you just watch their little brains drain from their heads. Its just that simple in their case.


You are a bigot but at least you show yourself in the first paragraph so I don't have to waste my time reading the whole post. Thanks for that.


_____________________________

"Sweetie, you're wasting your gum" .. Albert


This here is the boi formerly known as orfunboi


(in reply to joether)
Profile   Post #: 88
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 5:50:59 AM   
jlf1961


Posts: 14840
Joined: 6/10/2008
From: Somewhere Texas
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149

Until the gap between how much it sucks to be there versus how much better it is to be here closes dramatically, those who want to get here will get here. 

Employers of the work that Mexican immigrants are capable to do will always seek the lowest qualified labor cost.

The money and resources necessary to create an enormous wall or enforce laws that force businesses to hire more expensive labor is a fruitless undertaking.

Only when living in Mexico stops sucking will the "problem" be fixed. 

Our efforts and resources should be focused on supporting that outcome.

John Maynard Bound



We cant change the conditions in Mexico, and there are more than just Mexicans coming across the border.

We can enforce the laws here in the states to the point of making hiring of illegals cost preventative, it just means more manpower to do the enforcement of the laws.

We can build a physical barrier along the border and patrol it around the clock, just means construction cost and a continuous road along the border to facilitate making the patrolling easier.

We can place military personnel along the border and the cost is negligible since we are already paying for those service members.

The question becomes, with the border patrols using military, what orders do we give them, detain and deport, or shoot.

Short of militarizing the border, there is no way to actually secure it.

_____________________________

Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think?

You cannot control who comes into your life, but you can control which airlock you throw them out of.

Paranoid Paramilitary Gun Loving Conspiracy Theorist AND EQUAL OPPORTUNI

(in reply to ShoreBound149)
Profile   Post #: 89
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:06:51 AM   
MistressRosalyn


Posts: 908
Joined: 8/16/2009
Status: offline 		OK, I'm going to step in and say this:

As long as our border with Mexico looks like this, we will never be able to control illegal immigration. And before y'all jump down my throat, I am only addressing one issue purposely. The only thing I am trying to do is to demonstrate how ineffective our border currently is.

These photos were taken by me on the US/Mexico Border near Palominas, Arizona. Yes, that cut barbed wire fence is our border, and in the second picture, the road in the left is in the US, and the one on the right is in Mexico.





_____________________________

Member of Lance's Fag Hags.

I have 20 Fluffy Points and you don't!

I went to the Dark Side...now where are the cookies?

When did my life become a Jerry Springer/Jeremy Kyle episode?

(in reply to jlf1961)
Profile   Post #: 90
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:16:19 AM   
thompsonx


Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline
quote:

So, slvemike, and others, what do we do to secure the border? Here is the chance to give your ideas.


I may have mentioned this before...
All the states have to do is enforce existing federal law against employing those who cross the border illegally. I believe tazz posted the law which shows it to be something like $250,000 and/or 5 years in the federal pen. for each illegal employed.

(in reply to jlf1961)
Profile   Post #: 91
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:18:40 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		~sighs

That is not what was proven. In order for the fines to be that high, the employers must have enticed or harbored an illegal to the US.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to thompsonx)
Profile   Post #: 92
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:21:14 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Yeah, but you hit em with that, and prove it or not, times lets say 50 illegal workers, it is gonna be so not worth their while.........the checkbook has the effect of law.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 93
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:22:46 AM   
thompsonx


Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

If they cross the border without a passport. Shoot on sight. The word will soon get out.


Execution without trial for a misdomeanor

(in reply to servantforuse)
Profile   Post #: 94
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:23:07 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		oh no doubt, Master Ron. Even the smaller fine for just hiring an illegal could, potentially, bankrupt many small business owners into making better choices.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 95
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:26:17 AM   
thompsonx


Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~sighs

That is not what was proven. In order for the fines to be that high, the employers must have enticed or harbored an illegal to the US.



The law states specifically that employing is harboring.
All that is necessary is to show that the employer knew that they had crossed the border illegally as opposed to overstaying thier visa.

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 96
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:27:21 AM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

and to what end,we are still the worlds foremost consumer of receational drugs...and with no end in sight.


define recreational use and what drugs you speak of.


See... define this, define that.... I find that you like to do this to tie the conversation into knots

you do not know what recreational drug use is, honestly? Come on, this isn't high school debate class here

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 97
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:28:21 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		We have been through this, thompson. Its not that cut and dry and you know it. As Master said to me last night "prove to me you are a US citizen". Anyone could gain access to a birth certificate, SS card, marriage license, ect. Thats all it takes to have "proof" and the employer is in the clear without having to know or admit a thing.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to thompsonx)
Profile   Post #: 98
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:30:05 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

and to what end,we are still the worlds foremost consumer of receational drugs...and with no end in sight.


define recreational use and what drugs you speak of.


See... define this, define that.... I find that you like to do this to tie the conversation into knots

you do not know what recreational drug use is, honestly? Come on, this isn't high school debate class here


picking fights again, julia? defining exactly what drugs we are referring too, when mike says as far as he knows its only pot being pushed for legalization, and me offering proof other drugs are as well, sorta makes knowing which drugs we are both talking about, and agreeing on what we are speaking of, necessary.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 99
RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/27/2010 7:30:23 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		then they have a picture id and social security card (or valid green card on file) not just a good idea, its the fucking law.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 100
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What would it take to actually secure the border with Mexico? Page: <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094