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juliaoceania -> Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 6:46:37 PM)

Another thread I was posting on started by Lady Pact made me thinking about this and got me to wondering what you think Far Left and Far Right mean. They get thrown around here a lot. The terms also get associated in a negative way with "crazy" thinking, as if the only "rational" way to think is mainstream. Which if entertaining when you consider slavery was once considered a "mainstream" institution, and women voting was considered "whacko". I am not afraid of being considered Far Left for this reason. I think of how many of my positions are becoming mainstream, like Gay Rights for example, and i have no problem with being "radical"... in fact I tend to think "moderates" do not think much outside the box, and they tend to buy in to what our media says is an okay opinion... this is considered the cultural norm, and who wants to deviate too much from that...

My main questions are, how do you identify? Do you think it is insulting to be labelled far left or far right? And why?



rulemylife -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 6:53:02 PM)

No you're just a Lefty.

Just trying to help Popeye, no need for thanks.



juliaoceania -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 6:54:14 PM)

LOL

I would love it if we had a socialist anarchy, how far left do I need to be "Far Left"?[:D]



slvemike4u -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 6:59:10 PM)

I'm a centrist(pauses to allow the laughter to die down) who has been driven to the left as a direct result of the alarming slide to the right that occured during the unfortunate Bush/Cheney/Rove era.
Should we ever slide too far left.....some poster on some future board will label me a far right wing nut.....doesn't bother me in the least.



vincentML -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:00:51 PM)

Far left radical .... far right reactionary... I tend to lean a wee bit left of center depending on the issue. The nation has been to the right of center for decades ... well, at least since the Sixties, and all we have reaped is war, deteriorating physical infrastructure and a disappearing blue collar working class. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Bush, yuk.



rulemylife -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:02:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

LOL

I would love it if we had a socialist anarchy, how far left do I need to be "Far Left"?[:D]


Well considering how many moderate, centrist Independents we have on here anymore, that seem to be conservative Republicans, I would say you have a far way to go.





servantforuse -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:03:51 PM)

Hey Mike, I think it might be time for you to start sliding a little more to the right. This is way to far to the left right now..



vincentML -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:05:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

LOL

I would love it if we had a socialist anarchy, how far left do I need to be "Far Left"?[:D]


Are you tweeking us, Julia? I don't understand the combination. How can you have both? Can't imagine how that would work. You're joking, right?



juliaoceania -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:07:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I'm a centrist(pauses to allow the laughter to die down) who has been driven to the left as a direct result of the alarming slide to the right that occured during the unfortunate Bush/Cheney/Rove era.
Should we ever slide too far left.....some poster on some future board will label me a far right wing nut.....doesn't bother me in the least.


I was in that position after 911, I went from being a dyed in the wool democrat to being a far left wingnut because I am antiwarand anti corpocracy,... all that happened was I investigated more of what goes on in the world and realized how far left I became, the more I learned, the more leftist I was



Level -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:23:18 PM)

The more I read and watched, the less left I became, julia, at least on some things. I went from clueless Democrat, to outraged lefty, to outraged libertarian, poked around the right a bit, then took a little bit from every side, and some from the toilings in my head, to get where I am now. Someone hand me an asperin...



slvemike4u -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:24:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Hey Mike, I think it might be time for you to start sliding a little more to the right. This is way to far to the left right now..
In your quite mistaken opinion....the Times just did a piece that suggested this is the most conservative court in decades.You look at the occupant of the White House and see far left....I see a man who is dissapointing the very people who elected him.



juliaoceania -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:24:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

LOL

I would love it if we had a socialist anarchy, how far left do I need to be "Far Left"?[:D]


Are you tweeking us, Julia? I don't understand the combination. How can you have both? Can't imagine how that would work. You're joking, right?


There is ample information in the net about social anarchism, google is your friend at times like these, and yes, it is a movement related to left libertarianism.



juliaoceania -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:26:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Level

The more I read and watched, the less left I became, julia, at least on some things. I went from clueless Democrat, to outraged lefty, to outraged libertarian, poked around the right a bit, then took a little bit from every side, and some from the toilings in my head, to get where I am now. Someone hand me an asperin...

Yeah, I hear ya.



Arpig -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:28:51 PM)

I am far left (usually vote NDP) and don't care who calls me that...its a compliment to me, being far left is a sign of superior intelligence.



AsmodaisSin -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:31:43 PM)

I think it depends on what we're discussing.  If I need to label myself, I'm a libertarian conservative.  My personal views are generally very conservative, but I also believe government involvement needs to be as minimal as possible.  I guess I'm far right, but leaning toward the center.  I'm inwardly pro-life, but I try to vote pro-choice.  I support gay marriage.  I support the death penalty (I know I know; that contradicts being pro-life, but that's just me).  -Shrugs.-  People call me heartless when it comes to a lot of things, but I don't see myself as heartless.  I just expect people to take responsibility for their actions.  The government doesn't need to bail everyone out every time we make mistakes.  Most parents don't. 



juliaoceania -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 7:33:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I am far left (usually vote NDP) and don't care who calls me that...its a compliment to me, being far left is a sign of superior intelligence.



See, this is my view too!




eihwaz -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 8:33:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

... got me to wondering what you think Far Left and Far Right mean. They get thrown around here a lot. The terms also get associated in a negative way with "crazy" thinking, as if the only "rational" way to think is mainstream.
[...]
My main questions are, how do you identify? Do you think it is insulting to be labelled far left or far right? And why?

My notion of "far left" and "far right" is of people who are unwilling to think independently or critically, who accept whole some worldview and narrative full of myths, legends, certainties, slogans, shibboleths, canards, and sound bites.  They're unwilling to think independently or critically.  I suspect that many "far leftists" and "far rightists" (or "far lefties" and "far righties" if you will) are really authoritarians at heart.  Occasionally I encounter someone considered far whatever who has actually thought hard about their beliefs and positions, and continues to do so.  A person like that can be worth having a conversation with.

Many of my views would probably be considered "left" or even "far left" (depending on who's doing the considering, I guess) but others are rather more moderate or maybe even conservative.  I don't find it insulting to be categorized as left (or right), I'd just prefer not to be, as I don't particularly identify with those categories.  (The absolute worst are those "you liberals" conversations.)




Kirata -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 9:06:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Do you think it is insulting to be labelled far left or far right? And why?

I think it serves no good purpose to label people, period.

K.



juliaoceania -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 9:07:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Do you think it is insulting to be labelled far left or far right? And why?

I think it serves no good purpose to label people, period.

K.


Like always say, labels are best when they are self applied.



Musicmystery -> RE: Far Left Far Right (7/26/2010 9:08:52 PM)

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Far Left Far Right


Kinda sounds like a Dr. Seuss book, doesn't it.



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