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History tells me that a Republican named Abraham Lincoln freed my ancestors about 150 or so years ago.
Now, if Lincoln had NOT freed the slaves, when would slavery have ended?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
There is ample information in the net about social anarchism, google is your friend at times like these, and yes, it is a movement related to left libertarianism.

Short definition: a belief that we'll all just get along beautifully in our little communal groupings. That it is a recipe to destroy a thousand years or so of social evolution and return us to tribes, warlords and feudalism never enters the little fluffy-bunny heads.

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I consider myself a moderate. I don't listen or watch much of what the media says is an okay opinion. And that one line highlights a good part of my personality. I don't care who thinks an opinion is okay or isn't. I think there is a decided effort in this country to obliterate opinions that don't meet one norm or the other. Given power, I believe the far left would strangle the Constitution while the far right would destroy it outright. I think the struggle between the two is to legalize what they consider okay opinions while criminalizing what they don't. And I believe a good portion of middle America is caught between the two.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
There is ample information in the net about social anarchism, google is your friend at times like these, and yes, it is a movement related to left libertarianism.

Short definition: a belief that we'll all just get along beautifully in our little communal groupings. That it is a recipe to destroy a thousand years or so of social evolution and return us to tribes, warlords and feudalism never enters the little fluffy-bunny heads.

Talk about debby downer..........

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I consider myself a moderate. I don't listen or watch much of what the media says is an okay opinion. And that one line highlights a good part of my personality. I don't care who thinks an opinion is okay or isn't. I think there is a decided effort in this country to obliterate opinions that don't meet one norm or the other. Given power, I believe the far left would strangle the Constitution while the far right would destroy it outright. I think the struggle between the two is to legalize what they consider okay opinions while criminalizing what they don't. And I believe a good portion of middle America is caught between the two.

This says to me that you already buy into the paradigm created by the media, even though you do not listen to it

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I consider myself a moderate. I don't listen or watch much of what the media says is an okay opinion. And that one line highlights a good part of my personality. I don't care who thinks an opinion is okay or isn't. I think there is a decided effort in this country to obliterate opinions that don't meet one norm or the other. Given power, I believe the far left would strangle the Constitution while the far right would destroy it outright. I think the struggle between the two is to legalize what they consider okay opinions while criminalizing what they don't. And I believe a good portion of middle America is caught between the two.

This says to me that you already buy into the paradigm created by the media, even though you do not listen to it

What I buy into is one asshole group or another wetting their pants over the opportunity to sit in front of the Supreme Court in hopes of forcing someone else to do what they want, or one asshole group or another wringing their hands and attempting to bitch slap every politician who they think they can buy, or intimidate.

The paradigm exists. The struggle exists and the chasm is wide between the two. What has been lost is the art of compromise because between the two, there is none.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

oh julia, julia,

Take off the rainbow shades, and go research slavery, abolitionists, the civil war, and the Republican and Democratic parties, than we can chat.
Or better yet, check out the PBS series about " The rise and fall of Jim Crow" and the end of slavery.

I love history, and I would suggest that you spend some more time reading history books.
Reading really is fundamental.

The Democratic party at the time of the Civil War was the "White Man's Party".
Not only is reading fundamental but PBS is helpful also.
Check out this critically acclaimed factual account of slavery that was a PBS series.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_democratic.html

copied from the source I have given:

After the Civil War, most white Southerners opposed Radical Reconstruction and the Republican Party's support of black civil and political rights.
The Democratic Party identified itself as the "white man's party" and demonized the Republican Party as being "Negro dominated," even though whites were in control. Determined to re-capture the South, Southern Democrats "redeemed" state after state -- sometimes peacefully, other times by fraud and violence. By 1877, when Reconstruction was officially over, the Democratic Party controlled every Southern state.

As a person of color, I take a special interest in slavery.
I really do love reading and learning, especially when it comes to history and slavery.

FACT: After the Civil War, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS the Democratic party of the South, was the party of White Supremacy!

Now let's get down to business here.
When would the Democratic party have freed my people?

As far as respect, I tend to respect people that do not lean left or right all the time, and have enough brain matter to realize that most things in life are not black or white and that gray, is not a bad way of looking at the world, and have the inherent flexibility to see fault in both sides, and remain most of the time in the middle.

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ORIGINAL: mcbride

There is no "the media".  There are media. There are hundreds of thousands of media,  and they all compete with each other.

If you want to talk about how media convergence lets someone like Rupert Murdoch make sure that Glenn Beck gets more air time to influence your view of far right versus far left, great, that's a useful discussion, but blaming everything on one, singular, monolithic beast called "the media" just lets people duck responsibility when things are going badly.

(/rant)

And Julia, I've never seen a far left post in this section. Can you promise more anarcho-socialism? I'd be giddy with delight at seeing the range broadened. 

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ORIGINAL: Marini

I am not a Republican, I have never been or supported a Republican candidate, and I certainly disliked Bush as much or even more than you do.

My point is, as a MODERATE, and a Black Woman, that it was a Republican President that freed my people, and history tells us that many of the Democrats during that time period, were poor white people, and slave owners.

History is what it is, I am not the sort of person, that attempts to hide or change the truth about reality to fit my agenda.

I just enjoy being a Moderate, and I have the right to ask any day of the week, "When would the Democratic party have freed MY PEOPLE?".

I am glad that I amuse you, as you certainly amuse me.
I am well aware of why President Lincoln freed the slaves, but guess what?
Who gives a flying fuck?
My people were the slaves, and I don't care if Adolf Hitler freed them for whatever reason, they needed to be freed at the end of the fucking day.
Abraham Lincoln the Republican President that was later assisinated by a poor white trash southern Democrat did that.

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The Emancipation Proclamation consists of two executive orders issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War. The first one, issued September 22, 1862, declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. The second order, issued January 1, 1863, named ten specific states where it would apply. Lincoln issued the Executive Order by his authority as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy" under Article II, section 2 of the United States Constitution.[1]
The proclamation did not name the slave-holding border states of Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, or Delaware, which had never declared a secession, and so it did not free any slaves there. The state of Tennessee had already mostly returned to Union control, so it also was not named and was exempted. Virginia was named, but exemptions were specified for the 48 counties that were in the process of forming West Virginia, as well as seven other named counties and two cities. Also specifically exempted were New Orleans and thirteen named parishes of Louisiana, all of which were also already mostly under Federal control at the time of the Proclamation.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

As the great, great, granddaughter of slaves, I will speak for the slaves in my family here.

We want to be free, no matter who or what freed us, for whatever reason.

I don't expect you to "get that point", and the only way I think you could get it, would be to be a slave or a descendant of slaves.

good day